Cheney on Meet the Press

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He was superb. If you haven't already heard it, you can download the audio of it in a podcast from iTunes. Just navigate to Podcasts about News & Politics and you'll see it under NBC.

Say what you will about Cheney, but the guy is a great politician and very sharp. Russert tried to hammer him (as he does to people from both sides) and Cheney made his points clearly and defended the neo-conservative worldview brilliantly.

I happen to not be a neo-conservative, so I disagreed with a lot of his assertions about the threat of Iraq under Hussein, the need to invade, the continuing need to occupy, the threat of the Islamic movement, etc. That said, if you can't appreciate the guy as a great politician and sharp leader, I don't know what anyone can say to help you.
 

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It usually takes an intelligent person and eloquent speaker to convince the public of his or her lies. Cheney is certainly one of these. It does make him a "great" politician for the neocons, but in my opinion, the truly great politicians are the ones who actually represent the majority of the people and not their own interest groups (as this is the basic idea of democracy, no?), and don't lie to the people they are supposed to represent. So I guess I do need help, because although he might be sharp, I think classifying him as great is going a little far.


I didn't see the program, but wonder if he recounted any of his past words:

8/14/1992: "The question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam worth? And the answer is not very damned many. So I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the president made the decision that we were not going to get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq."

6/23/1998: Halliburton CEO Cheney says, "The good Lord didn?t see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratically elected regimes friendly to the United States. Occasionally we have to operate in places where, all things considered, one would not normally choose to go. But, we go where the business is."

Year 2000 campaign as VP candidate: Cheney says the US stopped short of toppling Saddam in 1991 as to avoid being "an imperialist power, willy-nilly moving into capitals in that part of the world, taking down governments."

2001: Cheney repeatedly invokes Atta's meeting with senior Iraqi intelligence officials in Prague as evidence between al Qaeda and Iraq, despite FBI evidence that Atta was in Virginia and Florida at the time. One example on 12/9/2001: Cheney on Meet the Press claims it has "been pretty well confirmed that [Mohammed Atta] did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack." [and by the way Dick, Czechoslovakia dissolved in 1993...so OBVIOUSLY he wasn't there]

9/16/2001: MR. RUSSERT [Meet the Press]: Do we have and evidence linking Saddam Hussein or Iraqis to [9/11]?

VP CHENEY: No.

Late November, 2001: In a meeting with C. Rice and G. Tenet, Cheney says: "If there's a one percent chance that Pakistani scientists are helping al Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response."

3/24/2002: On CNN?s Late Edition, Cheney says of Saddam: "This is a man of great evil, as the president said. And he is actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time."

8/26/2002: Nashville, TN "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

"We now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons. Among other sources, we've gotten this from the firsthand testimony of defectors - including Saddam's own son-in-law, who was subsequently murdered at Saddam's direction." The NY Times reported that "The one specific source [Cheney] did cite was Hussein Kamel al-Majid, a son-in-law of Mr. Hussein's who defected in 1994 after running Iraq's chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. But Mr. Majid told American intelligence officials in 1995 that Iraq's nuclear program had been dismantled. What's more, Mr. Majid could not have had any insight into Mr. Hussein's current nuclear activities: he was assassinated in 1996 on his return to Iraq."

9/8/2002: "We do know, with absolute certainty, that he is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs to build a nuclear weapon."

9/12/2002: "We will work with the UN Security Council for the necessary resolutions."

9/14/2002: to Rush Limbaugh: "What's happening, of course, is we're getting additional information that, in fact, [Saddam] is reconstituting his biological, chemical and nuclear weapons programs and that's what really precipitates the concern now."

9/20/2002: "We now have irrefutable evidence that [Saddam] has once again set up and reconstituted his program to take uranium, to enrich it to sufficiently high grade, so that it will function as the base material as a nuclear weapon. And there's no doubt about the fact that the level of effort has escalated in recent months."

3/16/2003: "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." On doubts of nuclear programs: "I think Mr. El Baradei frankly is wrong, and I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of issue, especially where Iraq's concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing."

"And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." Six months later after the beginning of the war, Cheney admits he misspoke.


Flip-flopper, liar, but he is master of using words for deception, I'll give him that much credit.
 

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He was superb. If you haven't already heard it, you can download the audio of it in a podcast from iTunes. Just navigate to Podcasts about News & Politics and you'll see it under NBC.

Say what you will about Cheney, but the guy is a great politician and very sharp. Russert tried to hammer him (as he does to people from both sides) and Cheney made his points clearly and defended the neo-conservative worldview brilliantly.

I happen to not be a neo-conservative, so I disagreed with a lot of his assertions about the threat of Iraq under Hussein, the need to invade, the continuing need to occupy, the threat of the Islamic movement, etc. That said, if you can't appreciate the guy as a great politician and sharp leader, I don't know what anyone can say to help you.
If you tell a lie often and long enough people who are mental midgets fall for it. This might have been the dumbest post ive read just yet. This is the same guy who with Halliburton was doing business with Iran when we had sanctions on them. What a great guy he is.
Since Russet and him use to be neighbors i thought he would toss softball after softball to him but Russet let him have it. Like i said he just lied and lied and dumb people fall for it.
 

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At best Cheney is a crook at worst a psychopath. That is one dangerous creep without a conscience or soul.
 

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"Flip-flopper, liar, but he is master of using words for deception, I'll give him that much credit."

--invigorating to hear those definations from liberals in other than a defensive posture. :)
 
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"Flip-flopper, liar, but he is master of using words for deception, I'll give him that much credit."

--invigorating to hear those definations from liberals in other than a defensive posture. :)

Dog i don't think its that, i think he just sounds like he is telling the truth. He sounds convincing and if you don't take a good hard look at what he is saying than you start believing him. He no doubt has a gift in this area. In my opinion i think he is the most despicable person in the world. I had to laugh in the 2004 debates when Kerry was talking about his daughter his wife came out and said that Kerry "was just a really
bad man." Im thinking hey honey you married the most despicable person i have come to know in my lifetime. Now if she would have said "he is a very bad campaigner" I would have agreed with her. worst campaign i ever witnesses run. No wonder his grades were a hair short of Bushes.
 

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Cheny is a war criminal stealing from his tax-paying countrymen, a pathological liar who even though he knows his lies are recorded, does so anyway.
Do you give a rapist credit for tenacity, a bank robber trying to get ahead or an arsonist for his creativity? Some have but don't think so!
 

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I did see part of the interview,Seemed like a game of chess,Had an answer for every question while really never given the answer to the original question,Smoke an mirrors,Side stepping,He is clever,Great......No,Just the ringmaster of the circus we live in.
 

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i happen to know for a fact that cheney...when he shot that lawyer...brought the guy back to his ranch tied to the hood of the car.....:yup

how do you guys sleep at night with the ghostly countenances of cheney and rove gliding across your bedroom walls?

any of these folks look familiar?...cousin frankie?...uncle guido?....

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conspiracy monkeys...meet surrender monkeys...

btw..in the picture..why is that turtle wearing glasses?
 
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i happen to know for a fact that cheney...when he shot that lawyer...brought the guy back to his ranch tied to the hood of the car.....:yup

how do you guys sleep at night with the ghostly countenances of cheney and rove gliding across your bedroom walls?

any of these folks look familiar?...cousin frankie?...uncle guido?....

241490728_bb0f5172e4.jpg


conspiracy monkeys...meet surrender monkeys...

btw..in the picture..why is that turtle wearing glasses?

911 Aside.......Those are OSHA Approved saftey goggels,Protection from all the shit thats been slung:142smilie or Flung:mj07:
 

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"the bunker"
"would you like to touch my monkey?..touch him!..love him!"...

deiter/
"sprockets"

lol...i loved that shit.....

fricking hare krishnas.....i was a hare krishna way back in the day...for about a week....my rant was off...got me booted...

hare krishna
hare krishna
hare krishna, hare rahma

hare krishna kreme
hare krishna kreme
hare pepsi, hare almond joy

:shrug:
 

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What we really need to do is go after the liars like Clinton, Gore, Kerry and Daschle who all said that Iraq had WMD's!!!!!!!!


They should all be in prision!!!!!
 

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what exactly is this "lie" everyone is talking about???:nono: :nono: :nono:


For Starters,

In a CNBC interview, The Dick Cheney kept up his lies about the non-existent
> connections between Saddam and 9-11.

> Faced with the 9-11 Commission report conclusions that there was NO LINK
> BETWEEN IRAQ AND THE 9-11 PLOT, Cheney went back over old, useless,
> questionable information.


> Well, whined Cheney, we know that an Iraq intelligence general went to Sudan
> and we know that Osama Bin Laden was in Sudan for a while.


> When asked if he knows information that the Commission does not know, Cheney
> replied "Probably."


> Liar. Complete and absolute liar.



Even worse....he was supopsed to have given full testimony to the
Commission.

He just admitted he didn't. No wonder the lying creep didn't want to
testify under oath.

Now get back to your double billing.:nono: :nono:
 

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I think we need to define what a lie is.

If someone says something he believes true and it turns out false--it is not a lie

the reverse is also true--if someone says something he thinks to be false but it turns out true--it was still a lie.
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Entry Word: lie
Function: noun
Text: a statement known by its maker to be untrue and made in order to deceive
 

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"the bunker"
"I think we need to define what a lie is."

not much chance of that, brother........we couldn`t even figure out what the meaning of "is" is during the clinton fiasco.....

save your breath...you`re debating cheney`s integrity with people that use the word "oil" as an epithet.....

these folks spell america with a "k" while writing in english...
 
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AS bad of a ass as he can be is right up front. But for a change I thought it was ok that he said. Hey we may have made a mistake or two. Chit he almost said he was human like the rest of the world. And for him that's going a mile.
 

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Soooooo according to two of the Bush apologists the lies I just posted are not lies because.....we need a new definition of a lie for Cheney? :shrug:

You guys are amazing.:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
 
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