Cincinnati Bengals
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I think Marvin is the best coach for the job, but until management get's their head out of their asses and actually attempts to give a rats ass about this franchise, cinci will continue to be a perennial cellar dweller.
However, I think the hiring of Lewis was the first step in pulling their heads out of their rear, now let's see if they do the right thing and draft Byron Leftwich.
However, I think the hiring of Lewis was the first step in pulling their heads out of their rear, now let's see if they do the right thing and draft Byron Leftwich.
If they take Leftwhich they will be losers for many more years to come.
He is not the pick for Cinn IMO.
Scott King of Dogs
He is not the pick for Cinn IMO.
Scott King of Dogs
After following the Bengals for years, hold the abuse please, I get the impression that Marvin Lewis has more power than people think. The ability to hire his own staff was a huge step towards improving this franchise. Previous coaches always inherited assistants that were favored by Mike Brown. Letting go the likes of Ken Anderson, Tim Krumrie and Kim Wood was the best thing that ever happened to this franchise. Marvin Lewis is already trying to change the mindset of the whole organization from top to bottom. He held a meeting in which all front office employees were present and introduced themselves and what there job was in the organization, including Mike Brown. Lewis then told them how everyone of them had to play a role in making the franchise a success.
The true gauge on how sucessful the Bengals will be with Marvin Lewis will come during free agency. Signing Lorenzo Neal and Takeo Spikes before the start of FA would help them significantly in determining who to target in FA. Lewis has the ability to capture players attention and bring out the best in their abilities. Now the test will be whether he can sell them on coming to the Bengals and trying to turn around one of the worst franchises in the NFL for the past 12 years. Lewis and his assistants have spoke of something quite frequently since they have been hired....Winning Superbowls. That is something that none of the previous coaches since Sam Wyche have even whispered about. A new off season conditioning program will also benefit the players tremendously. As former players stated... The Bengals worked themselves into shape about the 8th game into the season. I don't think that this will be a problem in the upcoming season. As for the draft, I think the Bengals would love to trade down out of the top spot and stay in the top 10. If the Bengals are able to address some of their defensive needs in FA and can trade down within the top 5, I would not be surprised to see them take Charles Rogers or Andre Johnson. That is a longshot, but a possibility. The hiring of Bill Tobin may be the biggest impact on the draft. The greatest needs are DL, CB, C, OG and TE in that order. Only time will tell..... But the Bengals could be a major surprise in the next couple of years.......
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The true gauge on how sucessful the Bengals will be with Marvin Lewis will come during free agency. Signing Lorenzo Neal and Takeo Spikes before the start of FA would help them significantly in determining who to target in FA. Lewis has the ability to capture players attention and bring out the best in their abilities. Now the test will be whether he can sell them on coming to the Bengals and trying to turn around one of the worst franchises in the NFL for the past 12 years. Lewis and his assistants have spoke of something quite frequently since they have been hired....Winning Superbowls. That is something that none of the previous coaches since Sam Wyche have even whispered about. A new off season conditioning program will also benefit the players tremendously. As former players stated... The Bengals worked themselves into shape about the 8th game into the season. I don't think that this will be a problem in the upcoming season. As for the draft, I think the Bengals would love to trade down out of the top spot and stay in the top 10. If the Bengals are able to address some of their defensive needs in FA and can trade down within the top 5, I would not be surprised to see them take Charles Rogers or Andre Johnson. That is a longshot, but a possibility. The hiring of Bill Tobin may be the biggest impact on the draft. The greatest needs are DL, CB, C, OG and TE in that order. Only time will tell..... But the Bengals could be a major surprise in the next couple of years.......
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Andre Johnson could be there later but I doubt he falls below 10 and I KNOW Charlie Rogers does not fall past the #3 spot. He's the best player in the draft, period.
Nice write up. I've always been a fan of Takeo Spikes & Lorenzo Neal. You know Corey Dillon wants Lorenzo Back in the worst way!
Nice write up. I've always been a fan of Takeo Spikes & Lorenzo Neal. You know Corey Dillon wants Lorenzo Back in the worst way!
All this team needs is a QB. Two years ago their defense was like 8th in the league. They need a QB who can actually take your team somewhere not a Jon Kitna/Gus Frerrotte washup. This team isn't as bad as everyone thinks, but they get their offense going, their defense will show up alot more.
This team reminds me of the Bills pre-Bledsoe. That team was awful, but they were missing just one piece from an 8 - 8 season. Cincinnatti is somewhere in the same place.
It all starts with the draft. They don't need another receiver, they have playmakers. If they were short receivers, they wouldn't have cut Michael Westbrook. They need somebody who can get these guys the ball. The offensive line is fine, and they can run the ball. They just need a damn QB!
This team reminds me of the Bills pre-Bledsoe. That team was awful, but they were missing just one piece from an 8 - 8 season. Cincinnatti is somewhere in the same place.
It all starts with the draft. They don't need another receiver, they have playmakers. If they were short receivers, they wouldn't have cut Michael Westbrook. They need somebody who can get these guys the ball. The offensive line is fine, and they can run the ball. They just need a damn QB!
I would like to see the Benglas trade down to the 4th spot to the Bears, have the Bears take Palmer with the #1 pick and then the bengals can address their need at CB and take the best CB in the draft, Terrance Newman from K state. That would make me happy. Then the Bengals could take Grossman in the 2nd round and there's their QB problem solved.
I would have to disagree with the thinking that this team needs to draft a QB with the first overall pick. This draft is relatively deep at QB and if the Bengals are able to deal the pick they would love to pick up Bollinger in the 2nd round. Kitna has shown that he can move this team on offense and the players believe in him. He was a major reason for the development of Chad Johnson this past season. The Bengals have more pressing needs to address on Defense and also the need for a player that can have an immediate impact on the team. Lewis has stated that if Palmer is selected he will sit behind Kitna this season. That is where the selection of Kennedy or Rogers would make more sense. Imagine an offense that sports C. Dillon, Chad Johnson, Charlie Rogers and Peter Warrick as your skill players.
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If they keep the pick I think it comes down to 3 or maybe 4 players that the Bengals will be considering to take with the #1 pick. Palmer, J. Kennedy and Rogers are the names that M. Lewis keeps throwing around when he talks of the 1st pick. Recently he has been mentiong W. Joseph as a possibilty, also. I'm sure some of the talk about Rogers and Palmer could be a way of trying to leverage the pick in a trade, but Rogers could be a very interesting pick in that spot. Detroit is really in love with the guy and would hate to see the Bengals take him. I'm sure there will be many scenarios presented in the next 2 months concerning the #1 pick. As for Newman he may be a little undersized for the style of defense that Leslie Frazier wants to implement in Cincy. He would like to have the larger more physical corners who can play man-to-man and bump-and-run coverage.
Lewis has stated numerous times that he would like to improve the interior part of the OL. Center and guard is a priority for this team. They are set at tackle but are starting to show their age at guard and center. Faine or Romberg could be possibilities in the 2nd or third round. The Bengals definitely showed their weakness during the past season on numerous goal line situations where they could not punch it in from inside the 2 yard line.
One thing that could change the complexion of the draft is if the Bengals land a DT through FA. Daryl Gardener or V. Holliday is a possibility. If this happens, the selection of Palmer or Rogers would be easier for the Bengals to make. I would also not rule out the possibilty of the Bengals negotiating a deal with Spikes and then trading him.
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If they keep the pick I think it comes down to 3 or maybe 4 players that the Bengals will be considering to take with the #1 pick. Palmer, J. Kennedy and Rogers are the names that M. Lewis keeps throwing around when he talks of the 1st pick. Recently he has been mentiong W. Joseph as a possibilty, also. I'm sure some of the talk about Rogers and Palmer could be a way of trying to leverage the pick in a trade, but Rogers could be a very interesting pick in that spot. Detroit is really in love with the guy and would hate to see the Bengals take him. I'm sure there will be many scenarios presented in the next 2 months concerning the #1 pick. As for Newman he may be a little undersized for the style of defense that Leslie Frazier wants to implement in Cincy. He would like to have the larger more physical corners who can play man-to-man and bump-and-run coverage.
Lewis has stated numerous times that he would like to improve the interior part of the OL. Center and guard is a priority for this team. They are set at tackle but are starting to show their age at guard and center. Faine or Romberg could be possibilities in the 2nd or third round. The Bengals definitely showed their weakness during the past season on numerous goal line situations where they could not punch it in from inside the 2 yard line.
One thing that could change the complexion of the draft is if the Bengals land a DT through FA. Daryl Gardener or V. Holliday is a possibility. If this happens, the selection of Palmer or Rogers would be easier for the Bengals to make. I would also not rule out the possibilty of the Bengals negotiating a deal with Spikes and then trading him.
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Jon Kitna averaged more than 1 interception a game last year and has a passer rating of 79.1 which is basically last in the AFC. Although he has shown at times flashes of being a decent QB, he always throws interceptions at critical times. He has never shown that he can lead a team very far and believe me not many people have faith in this guy to bring Cincy a championship. Every single time this team is in a game, he botches it. He fumbles, throws a bad pick, or takes a bad sack. You guys know the story.
They don't have to use the first pick of the draft on Palmer to get a good QB, there's many other available QB's. What they don't need is another WR when they have pressing needs in the secondary or on the D-line.
That being said, we know who cincinnatti will draft, and that is another WR who Kitna won't be able to get the ball too!
Just my opnion.
They don't have to use the first pick of the draft on Palmer to get a good QB, there's many other available QB's. What they don't need is another WR when they have pressing needs in the secondary or on the D-line.
That being said, we know who cincinnatti will draft, and that is another WR who Kitna won't be able to get the ball too!
Just my opnion.
I don't think that Cincinnati believes that Kitna will bring them a championship either, but they think he can be productive until they groom his successor. If you look over the last half of the season, Kitna was one of the hottest QB's in the league. I am no huge Kitna fan, but Dick Lebeau completely destroyed team chemistry by having a long drawn out QB competition between Frerrote, Kitna and A. Smith last season. Lebeau did nothing but set the team back a half a season by going through that process. I don't think M. Lewis will make the same mistake.
I do believe the Bengals would be better off drafting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft. They have had more luck with players in that span of the draft than in the first round. K. Boller, C. Simms, R. Grossman or possibly D. Ragone could all be possibilities in the 2nd or 3rd round. The Bengals are said to be very high on Boller.
As far as Kitna making the crucial mistakes to lose the games at critical times..... You must have been referring to the 2001 season, because Dillon was the main culprit of the 2002 season. Kitna actually put them in positions to win a few games only to have Dillon fumble the ball away or miss a hole to get in the endzone.
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I do believe the Bengals would be better off drafting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft. They have had more luck with players in that span of the draft than in the first round. K. Boller, C. Simms, R. Grossman or possibly D. Ragone could all be possibilities in the 2nd or 3rd round. The Bengals are said to be very high on Boller.
As far as Kitna making the crucial mistakes to lose the games at critical times..... You must have been referring to the 2001 season, because Dillon was the main culprit of the 2002 season. Kitna actually put them in positions to win a few games only to have Dillon fumble the ball away or miss a hole to get in the endzone.
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wolftatz
wolftatz
Hey! I think Dillon can have an off year once in a while
I think anyone of those guys you named would be a good replacement for Kitna. Kitna can produce but I think they can definitely do better. In my opinion, he hasn't shown alot of promise in Seattle or Cincinnatti.
But it could be because he doesn't have enough time to throw....
wolftatz
Hey! I think Dillon can have an off year once in a while
I think anyone of those guys you named would be a good replacement for Kitna. Kitna can produce but I think they can definitely do better. In my opinion, he hasn't shown alot of promise in Seattle or Cincinnatti.
But it could be because he doesn't have enough time to throw....
Dillon's problems reaching the endzone when they got inside the 5 stems from a weak interior line. The Bengals have the bookend tackles and another year under the belt of Levi Jones will only strengthen that position... it's the C and G position that is becoming a weakness. Cincinnati really telegraphed their running plays near the goal line last year by bringing in an extra lineman and lining him up at TE. The defense stacked the line and and knew the play was going to that side. With a pro-bowl fullback ahead of him the Bengals should have been plowing straight ahead between the tackles for the score. That is why Lewis has talked of improving his interior line. They really like the intensity and work ethic of B. Romberg out of Miami. He would be a great addition to the line, as would J. Faine of Notre Dame.
I think you will also see a completely different look from the Bengals at the start of the season as far as conditioning. This has definitely been a factor in poor starts of the past. Lewis wants athletic guys on the OL that will be standing at the end of the game and not laying on there backs. This should help Kitna's productivity along with the help of new QB coach Ken Zampese.
I really get the feeling that you will be hearing Charlie Rogers name mentioned in connection with Cincinnati and the first pick alot more in the upcoming weeks. They know how badly that Detroit and Houston want him and may see if they can get one of them to trade up to secure the pick.
I think you will also see a completely different look from the Bengals at the start of the season as far as conditioning. This has definitely been a factor in poor starts of the past. Lewis wants athletic guys on the OL that will be standing at the end of the game and not laying on there backs. This should help Kitna's productivity along with the help of new QB coach Ken Zampese.
I really get the feeling that you will be hearing Charlie Rogers name mentioned in connection with Cincinnati and the first pick alot more in the upcoming weeks. They know how badly that Detroit and Houston want him and may see if they can get one of them to trade up to secure the pick.
Where is Romberg projected to go and who is the top offensive line prospect? I think I heard of a guy named Kennedy...
Romberg is projected to go in the 2nd to 3rd round. I think the top OL prospect is a OT named Gross out of Utah. Jeff Faine is considered to be the top center prospect followed by Al Johnson out of Wisconsin and Romberg from Miami, FL. Are you thinking of Jimmy Kennedy? He is a DT out of Penn. State.
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I guess I was thinking of the DT....
The lineman from Iowa is not bad.....but I don't know too much about this year's O-line prospects.
I think Cincy will trade out of the first pick. They have alot of options. Chicago might want Palmer, and some other teams might want to trade up for Rogers. If I was Cincy I would trade down and most likely draft an O-lineman or a DB in the first round and draft a QB in the second round.
What do you think?
I like Grossman for QB if they can get him in the second round...
The lineman from Iowa is not bad.....but I don't know too much about this year's O-line prospects.
I think Cincy will trade out of the first pick. They have alot of options. Chicago might want Palmer, and some other teams might want to trade up for Rogers. If I was Cincy I would trade down and most likely draft an O-lineman or a DB in the first round and draft a QB in the second round.
What do you think?
I like Grossman for QB if they can get him in the second round...
Cincinnati would love to be able to trade out of the first spot with Chicago. I think they may try to bluff Detroit into thinking that Charles Rogers might be their pick in hopes of them swapping spots with them. I would like to see Chicago trade up for the 1st pick, but I think they may stand pat and still get either Palmer or Leftwich.
If they do trade down I think they will go with either a DT, such as Kennedy or Joseph, or one of the CB's, Newman or Trufant. I do not think that Cincinnati will pick a OL in the 1st or possibly even the 2nd, unless they pick up some extra picks via a trade.
As far as QB's the Bengals may look at in the 2nd round, if they do not take one in the 1st...... Boller and Simms will be considered strongly by the Bengals. Simms has really been impressing the coaching staff according to reports.
If they do trade down I think they will go with either a DT, such as Kennedy or Joseph, or one of the CB's, Newman or Trufant. I do not think that Cincinnati will pick a OL in the 1st or possibly even the 2nd, unless they pick up some extra picks via a trade.
As far as QB's the Bengals may look at in the 2nd round, if they do not take one in the 1st...... Boller and Simms will be considered strongly by the Bengals. Simms has really been impressing the coaching staff according to reports.
Wolftaz
did you see that kcwolf is going to submit plays for Kansas City Chiefs his home town. He is really good capper and been around a long time.
I was going to volunteer to 4bubba to keep track of all the wins and losses we have as a group. Maybe he will want to do that though, not sure.
If you got any ideas about what else we can do to make it go good let us know. Go into Bengals in NFL Weekly and talk about it. Should be a fun season. We can't start too soon is what bubba tells me.
I think our 50 % just went up a few points on the curve with kcwolf. As a group the first year maybe 55 per cent would be excellant.
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did you see that kcwolf is going to submit plays for Kansas City Chiefs his home town. He is really good capper and been around a long time.
I was going to volunteer to 4bubba to keep track of all the wins and losses we have as a group. Maybe he will want to do that though, not sure.
If you got any ideas about what else we can do to make it go good let us know. Go into Bengals in NFL Weekly and talk about it. Should be a fun season. We can't start too soon is what bubba tells me.
I think our 50 % just went up a few points on the curve with kcwolf. As a group the first year maybe 55 per cent would be excellant.
Scott-Atlanta
Scott
At this time I am against keeping track of W/L's. I hace discouraged people responding in the Match-Ups forum to use their W/L record because:
A) That kind of pressure is not needed.
B) No matter how many a person Won (or lost) the last several weeks, every week is a new week. It may wrongly influence a reader.
C) I still would like facts, angles, etc. I hope IF the respondent does not have a good feel for the partiucular game, they will state that!!!!! The pressure of a W/L record may influence someone to pick even if it was not very good. I DO NOT WANT THAT!!!!
D) Remember, being a fan and picking that game (either side) is one of the hardest things to be objective about.
At this time I am against keeping track of W/L's. I hace discouraged people responding in the Match-Ups forum to use their W/L record because:
A) That kind of pressure is not needed.
B) No matter how many a person Won (or lost) the last several weeks, every week is a new week. It may wrongly influence a reader.
C) I still would like facts, angles, etc. I hope IF the respondent does not have a good feel for the partiucular game, they will state that!!!!! The pressure of a W/L record may influence someone to pick even if it was not very good. I DO NOT WANT THAT!!!!
D) Remember, being a fan and picking that game (either side) is one of the hardest things to be objective about.
OK bubba I understand.
Bubba will you allow us to post threads or just rely on the weekly ones ?
Can you restart all the team threads ? they are getting crowded and hard to get through.
Can we start fresh on team threads as we approach the draft ?
Thanks
Scott-Atlanta
Bubba will you allow us to post threads or just rely on the weekly ones ?
Can you restart all the team threads ? they are getting crowded and hard to get through.
Can we start fresh on team threads as we approach the draft ?
Thanks
Scott-Atlanta
Scott
That sounds good. I will start another thread before the draft.
I was using the individual teams to keep an archive more for most people who wait until 2 weeks before the regular season starts. That way, they can read 6 months of info on each particular team if they want.
I look at it as especially good for picking division winners, conference winners, and NFL champ. Also team OVER/UNDER win totals before the season starts.
That sounds good. I will start another thread before the draft.
I was using the individual teams to keep an archive more for most people who wait until 2 weeks before the regular season starts. That way, they can read 6 months of info on each particular team if they want.
I look at it as especially good for picking division winners, conference winners, and NFL champ. Also team OVER/UNDER win totals before the season starts.
