Cleve / Pitt Under 43

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CLEVELAND at PITTSBURGH

Line: Steelers by 8

Total: 43

Comments: The UNDER looks to be the best play of the week. Not only do these two bitter rivals often play close, low-scoring games -- we also have the added intensity of a playoff atmosphere, which will surely add to the conservative nature of the offenses. The most obvious factor in support of the UNDER is that Cleveland's offense has been horribly inconsistent much of the season. When they have played MUST WIN games, they?ve come up short with lackluster offensive efforts versus the likes of Carolina and Baltimore. This week, a quarterback controversy is brewing in Cleveland, as backup Holcomb will start over the injured Tim Couch. Holcomb might be the right choice, but I don't like young, untested quarterbacks playing on the road in playoff games. They usually stink. The only trouble is for UNDER bettors -- they might allow the defense to score points. Without a running game, Cleveland is going to have MAJOR problems in this game. The Browns were ranked 29th in the NFL in rushing this season. That statistic does not bode well for a team that must play on the road at a cold weather site versus a team that is seeing fire. Add the fact that the Steelers are one of the NFL's best teams versus the run, and this could be a very long day for the Browns offense. I give the Browns (at most) 17 points in this game -- and that's with a special teams break or two. Pittsburgh remains something of a quagmire. The defense has trouble, at times, against mediocre teams -- but is also capable of playing very well when facing teams with a one dimensional offense (which applies to Cleveland). Steelers also have some concerns about RB Bettis, who may not be at full strength. This will be QB Maddox's first playoff game. Give the Browns defense credit: They held the dangerous Falcons to 16 points last week, and the Ravens to 13 points the week before. They allowed opponents to score 21+ in only three of their last 11 games. So, this unit is certainly capable of slowing down the Steelers. I expect that even if Pittsburgh scores a fair number of points, that means the Browns must produce some of their own. But consider this -- the Browns have not broken 24 points on offense in seven weeks. The two CLEVE/PITT games this season produced final scores of 16-13 and 23-20, a far cry from the semi-high scoring affair that seems to be suggested by this total. Five of the last six Browns games have gone UNDER the total. Add the intangible of possible cold weather in Pittsburgh this time of year, and this only adds to the likelihood that this game will go UNDER the total. Frankly, I consider this number to be ridiculous and I'm making this a large wager. I'd have this total at 40. As of this writing (mid-week) snow is possible with temperatures in the mid-20s. The colder it is, the more likely that at least one, if not both passing offenses will struggle.
A HUGE POINT: One factor I rarely see discussed, but which is incredibly important in totals betting is the strength of the kicking games. Steelers kicker Peterson is just 12 of 21 in FGs this season, including 3 of 7 from 40+ yards. What does this mean? It likely means that when Pittsburgh is 4th down and five on the opponent's 35 yard line, they probably WILL NOT try a 52-yard FG (contrast this with the other AFC game where the total is 43 -- both coaches will try the long FG with excellent kickers Hall and Vander Jagt.) The result is -- the Browns will be stuck deep in their own territory. That removes the potential for long FGs and increases the chances of a defensive struggle. It also saves 3 points every time that situation comes up (at least once or twice a game on average). Browns kicker Dawson is much more consistent -- 22 of 29 FGs this season, including two FGs from 50+. So this factor only applies to the Steelers.
QUESTION: BUT DIDN'T THE STEELERS GIVE UP 31 POINTS TO THE RAVENS LAST WEEK? Okay, yes. But that was a meaningless game for the Steelers, who played very loose and with none of the intensity they showed in Tampa the previous week. I'm throwing that game out, and expecting a much better defensive effort this week. Pittsburgh allowed 7 points the week before versus Tampa, 13 points versus Carolina, and 3 points versus Houston (all three Houston TDs were defensive scores). The defense is coming around.
RECOMMENDATION: PLAY UNDER 43 (get this early before it drops as news about the weather is now coming out -- see below)

WEATHER FORECAST:
Saturday: Cloudy with occasional flurries. Highs in the low 30s and lows in the mid 20s.
Sunday: Light snow at times. Highs in the low 30s and lows in the upper 20s.


-- Nolan Dalla
 

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Very good info here. Definitely was leaning there myself. I had it set at 39 myself. Thing that scares me a little is I could see both qb's turning it over for scores. As always thnks for the info and research. Would you recomend a tease of Pitt -2 and under the 49?? This looks like a strong play to me.
 

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nice wite up, any #s on 3rd meeting of season in playoffs and the history of the game going UNDER

thanx, gregg
 

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Nolan,

For what it is worth:

Jeff Reed is the steelers kicker not Peterson. As a matter of fact, Steelers have the 2nd best kicking game in the league right now. He has started since week #12. He has connected on 17 of 19 fg attempts for a record 89% in the league. He has also been perfect on xp's for what that is worth going 10-10!

Only other team w/ a better kicking game is the Pats! Adam V is a MONSTER!! Anyhow, info for what it is worth to any that read this..........
 

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Nolan Pitt does have one heck of a good run Df's. Do you not think that makes Cleve have to thow ball more. Always seems the more you throw. Well all those strange thing start to happen. Darn clock is stoping all time with those dropped passes for one.
Im not sure Cleve can run. Other wise I agree they seem to have low scoring games.
 

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Several good points made here. Let me respond:

"Jeff Reed is the steelers kicker not Peterson."

-- Which nullifies my point above. I checked the depth chart at USA Today before posting which still had Peterson listed at the PK. I thought Reed was the PK and was in IR, but was wrong about this. Obviously, I got this wrong and retract the above comments.

"Pitt does have one heck of a good run Df's. Do you not think that makes Cleve have to thow ball more."

-- My perceptions on this may be purely ancedotal, but when I see a team that CANNOT run the ball, that does not necessarily mean it creates more passing opportunities. The defense can concentrate more on the pass, since it does not fear the run. All you have to do is look at how teams like the Colts have fared in playoff games (heavily-oriented to the passing attack in recent years). I believe for an offense to be effective, there must be a BALANCE in both running and passing. If the Browns fall behind, they may have to pass the ball more (bad for the UNDER). But we often see one-dimensional road playoff teams get completely shut down in the playoffs. I see that happening here. But, your point is well-taken, DJV.

"Any #s on 3rd meeting of season in playoffs and the history of the game going UNDER?"

-- No. I have no such numbers. I do not think any such numbers would prove anything, anyway. These angles may work in sides to some extent (i.e., it's tough for one team to beat another THREE times in a season) . But I do not see any correlation here between a third game and the total. Especially since the QBs for both teams have CHANGED since those previous games.


"Would you recomend a tease of Pitt -2 and under the 49?? This looks like a strong play to me/"

-- I've taken some heat for teasers this year. They have not produced a profit for me. So, I am hesitant to endorse them. However, I like teasing PITT down to less than a FG. I almost never tease totals, although I can see a correlated play here between PITT and the UNDER. Trouble is, 6 points is not a lot on a total as much as a side. I'm not trying to convince you to change your bet, because I do see the reason for it. FWIW, I teased PITT -2 with IOWA +12. But, hey -- what do I know?
 

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great write up nolan.

i like the under, this one will be ugly. Provided there is no kick return, int return stuff, 23-10 or something around there.

Good luck I will be on the under as well.
 

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GOOD WRITE UP Nolan I played it for 2% at 43 & see some 42.5's now. If weather blows in the value is good at 43, a key total number.

Thanks & G/L

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Why is this number 43? Thats insane! Seems like a vegas gift! Vegas doesn't give gifts so I feel the over is the play here. I'm not going to play it, but it will be interesting to see what's stronger, Nollan's killer capping ability, or vegas' attempt at trapping people into betting the under. I prey Nollan wins this one, because it will give me that great feeling that good capping actually DOES pay off. I feel trapped, and therefore wont play it but GO NOLAN AND COMPANY!!!! CLE 2 PITT 0
 

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pointspred fred said:
Why is this number 43? Thats insane! Seems like a vegas gift! Vegas doesn't give gifts so I feel the over is the play here. I'm not going to play it, but it will be interesting to see what's stronger, Nollan's killer capping ability, or vegas' attempt at trapping people into betting the under. I prey Nollan wins this one, because it will give me that great feeling that good capping actually DOES pay off. I feel trapped, and therefore wont play it but GO NOLAN AND COMPANY!!!! CLE 2 PITT 0


With rare exceptions, good handicapping means ONE thing and one thing only -- WINNERS. If a game loses, it (usually) was not handicapped properly. It means I (or whoever) missed something). In this case, I am returning back to one of the fundamental things I used to prioritize above all other facts -- which is LINE VALUE. Where's the value? I think I got away form that to a certain extent the last year -- trying to do player matchups and predict game plans. That's almost impossible to do (and has been the subject of some internesting threads). What Ibelieve makes us money in the long run is shooping for line value.

In the ATL-GB game, for instance -- we can see that ATL is the play based on the line (a 9.5 point swing from one week to the next). I'm not playing it, because the history in favor of Green Bay is overwhelming. But, the value there is clearly with ATL.

On the CLEVE-PITT total, I suggest that if this game were to be played in a computer simulation 100 times -- in 30 degree temperatures as is forecast, I believe the mean total on the game would land somewhere around 40 (39 was another number that was cited, which I agree with). I believe we would see many more 23-16 kinds of games (four points UNDER the total) than 27-20 games (four points OVER the total. The resistance (cieling) in a game like this appears to be somwhere in the mid-50s (12 points OVER the total). Unless there are a baffling number of turnovers or special teams TDs, very few games would break 55. However, a far greater number (THIS IS THE KEY TO MY POINT ABOUT VALUE) would land around 30 (12 points UNDER the total). I believe 25 percent of the games would land in the 20-30 margin. 35 percent land in the 31-42 margin. 2 percent land in the <20 margin. That means based on expectation -- the game has about a 62 percent chance of going UNDER. Add another 3 percent for the hit on 43, and that means about a 35 percent chance of going over based on simulations. I know this all sounds over-analytical -- but I do want to point out the line of thinking with regards to LINE VALUE.

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as i stated in another thread...i just got through watching the ravens put up 31 on the steelers(and blake threw 2 ints into the steeler endzone)....that "d" scares me....

also,william green has shown enormous improvement the last couple of weeks...the browns now have a semblance of a ground game...

finally,many browns fans (of which i am not one)will tell you that kelly holcombe is the better qb of the 2....he is not inexperienced(although the play-off atmosphere will be an unknown for him)....

finally,one of the steelers more dominant defenders,kendrell bell will most likely be sidelined,or at least significantly hampered by injury(ankle)....ditto starting cb chad scott(broken hand)...

not trying to rain on your parade...i actually lean to the under myself...teams tend to be a little conservative when the games mean this much....i think all the above points in your thread may point to the 8 points being exorbitant..i think the 8 point spread is directly attributed to couch`s status and i honestly believe we may be getting the better qb in the bargain..the browns are tough road dogs and it seems as though the majority of their games go to the wire.....these teams are very familiar with one another...that also points me toward the under and the points....as you can tell,i have serious reservations about laying 8 points here,but anything can happen...


just trying to post all possible info so that the best decisions can be made by all the fellow degenerates here at jacks

thanks for your efforts and best of luck....
 
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The first two games this year were both unders.Considering this, the relatively high opening number of 43 seems to be meant to induce under action.GL with the play.
 
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Gardenweasal:

You make a number of excellent points. First, I apprecaite hearing the contrary point of view. You may be right.


i stated in another thread...i just got through watching the ravens put up 31 on the steelers(and blake threw 2 ints into the steeler endzone)....that "d" scares me....

REPLY: I agree it is reason for some concern. But last week
s game was the SUPER BOWL for Baltimore, the last game of a decent season, for a team that is well-coached and wanted to end on a high note. They completely went airial in the game and the score shot up. It was a meaningless game, and the Steelers showed no intensity. YOU DID SEE intensity from the Steelers the previous week (at Tampa). That shows this unit is capable of a solid performance. But I threw out last week's Baltimore game because it meant much more to Baltimore than Pittsburgh.


also,william green has shown enormous improvement the last couple of weeks...the browns now have a semblance of a ground game...

REPLY: I agree that Green has come around. But this team is still averaging less and 100 rushing yards per game. Pittsburgh has one of the better runs defenses in the NFL. I don't see Green being nearly as big a factor as the RBs for most teams (Bettis, Hearst, Martin, James, Green, etc.) He's not in that category, so his influence is nominal in terms of handicapping in my estimation.


finally,many browns fans (of which i am not one)will tell you that kelly holcombe is the better qb of the 2....he is not inexperienced(although the play-off atmosphere will be an unknown for him)....

REPLY: Hard to argue. Holco,b has looked better than Cuoch. But Holcomb is still very young and (to my knowledge) has not won a big game on the road in his career (I did not fact check this -- but I believe Couch started the NOR game, where the Brosn pulled the upset). Last week's game was a phantom win, as that turnover gave the Browns the winning score. You know from my writings that I am a huge fan of Cleveland, but I still see this as a .500 team who is in a very difficult spot.


finally,one of the steelers more dominant defenders,kendrell bell will most likely be sidelined,or at least significantly hampered by injury(ankle)....ditto starting cb chad scott(broken hand)...

REPLY: Noted. I am a bit wary about the Steelers secondary. I am hoping they get some help in the defensive backfield from a couple of beasts called SNOW and FREEZING TEMPERATURES. I do not see either team putting on an airial show if it's 28 degrees and snowing.


i think all the above points in your thread may point to the 8 points being exorbitant..

REPLY: Many people I respect think the Browns have a real chance to win this game. Many bettors also think +8 is the play. I have no opinion on the side, but I can understand your thinking. But for this to happen, the Steelers will have to self-destruct or Holcomb wil have to come up with a monster day.


Thanks for the thought-provoking ideas.


Nolan Dalla
 

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Just a couple more things to point out.

This week, a quarterback controversy is brewing in Cleveland, as backup Holcomb will start over the injured Tim Couch. Holcomb might be the right choice, but I don't like young, untested quarterbacks playing on the road in playoff games.

When you say that Kelly Holcomb is young keep in mind that he is 29 years old and he has been in the league since 1997. Played in Indianapokis from 1997 through 2000. Came to Cleveland in 2001. I will agree that he is a career backup and untested in the playoffs, but the entire team is untested in the playoffs and playing behind Manning since 1998 isn't all that bad.

Then you said

The Browns were ranked 29th in the NFL in rushing this season. That statistic does not bode well for a team that must play on the road at a cold weather site versus a team that is seeing fire. Add the fact that the Steelers are one of the NFL's best teams versus the run, and this could be a very long day for the Browns offense.

Not that I disagree with you but keep in mind that Cleveland is not exactly in the tropics and William Green has rushed for 726 yards in the last 7 games. He had around 200 in the first 9. Not that this yardage the last 7 were against power houses but it is what it is.

Good luck this weekend. Taking the Brownies plus the points. The one thing I really do agree with you is that this will be a typical blue collar game. Anytime you can get more then 7 between these two take it and run.
 

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Total is down to 40 at most books right now. Got in at 43, thanx Nolan.
 
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