Clinton Vs Wallace

[The Sponge]

hmmm...whomever he worked for,he was there for the 9/11 attack....khobar...the cole...wtc 1....

and how many times have we been hit since clarke was removed?

close to 3000 soldiers 10 thousand wounded and since we basically own Iraq and Afghanastand i guess you can say we get hit about 100 times a day.
Now weasal we got attacked in 93 on our land (all tried caught and convicted i might add)and then they waited eight years to get us again on our land. They don't work on our rushed timetables. Since they got away with the 2001 attack even with what little security we now have in airports and ports, it makes them even more clever and even more patient. Oh boy were gonna get it its just when and how. Im sure if a dem gets in office and they hit the next day it will be Clintons fault again.

 

[bryanz]

now i understand why my sphincter involuntarily tightens up when i read a "bryanz" panel....kind of like it does after a good dump.....

who cooked up what plan?..and fed it to the media?.......a plan to keep us safe?.......using nsa wiretapping and data mining?.....the patriot act?.....

I have not a problem using nsa wiretapping and data mining and the patriot act. I'm all for that. I have a problem with the execution of this war on the ground in Iraq. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE EXECUTION OF THIS WAR ON THE GROUND. I don't care about them more than I care about us. That's why I care. You can go back to the beginning . when I first voiced my opinion on the war on the ground in Iraq. I have always said the execution was wrong. The only reasons that I care that it is wrong are : the waste of minds, bodies, hearts, souls,and money. I'm with you on this other stuff. Just don't zero in on this Media aiding and abetting the enemy crap. We have bigger karpp to fry. I know you and the cons find solaces in those weeds , you have to hang on to something, when they are and were so wrong. Do we cut and run ? NO . But We can't stay the course. Someone must step up and play the big boy and tie it off, Enough is enough. When do we end the madness ? What body count do you want to stop at ? I said it moons ago , We can't win a conventional ground war against terrorist. And we won't. That's just the way it is. We can do better with our greatest resource, we can do better with the lives minds and bodies of our military.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Clearly despite the fact that 9-11 happened on Bush's watch, the right wing, especially Fox (sic.) News has wanted to lay responsibility for that terrorism attack at Clintons feet. They've done it subtly, softball questions to the right, direct attack on Clinton. Typical Rupert Murdoch tactic.

Before you right wing wacks go wild, I've never blamed 9-11 on Bush. I did love how Bill defended himself against Wallace's not so subtle attempt to indict his administration. I mean after all, if Fox could find some evidence that the Clinton adminisitration knew there were icebergs in the North Atlantic, they would lay the responsibility for the sinking of the Titanic squarely on the shoulders of their favorite punching bag.

9-11's are going to happen in a free (or as we know have, a quasi-free) society. Could Clinton have done more to 86 Bin Laden? Under the circumstances, probably not. Why? Under too much political pressure at home.

Whose fault? Both his and the right wing. If he made a move against Bin Laden, the right would have screamed "political" trying to divert attention from the fat jewish chick. The fact that he couldn't make the move because of the fat jewish chick was his own doing and when they roasted him on it he should have said "None of your f***ing business."

He should have been more careful about the bj's and the right wing nut jobs should have backed off the witch hunt. Both paralyzed the country. The right was too interested in getting power and made Clinton ineffective and afraid to act. He was too interested in maintaining his image and should have said screw them (like he did too Wallace) and went all out against Bin Laden.

In closing, the following facts I know for sure:

1) This piece of total garbage, criminal, treasonous president currently in office has created more terrorists by his actions and will create more 9-11's in the future.

2) This piece of total garbage, criminal,treasonous president currently in office has allowed Bin Laden to escape and the mad responsible for the deaths of nearly 3 thousand Americans continues to live and taunt this country.

3) This piece of total garbage, criminal,treasonous president currently in office has taken the sympathy of the world which we could have used to capture Bin Laden and made us the most hated nation in the world risking the lives of my children.

4) This piece of total garbage, criminal, treasonous president currently in office has distracted this country by invading a country which posed no threat to the USA, killed tens of thousands of people and nearly the same number of Americans that died on 9-11 for NO APPARENT REASON

5) This piece of total garbage, criminal, treasonous president currently in office continues to manipulate the "liberal media" by not showing body bags being loaded off airplanes and wounded soldiers with limbs missing.

6) This piece of total garbage, criminal, treasonous president currently in office somehow, someway convinces people that what we are doing is a Christian thing to do as Iraq edges closer and closer towards a civil war.

7) I know that I am currently living in the most evil, corrupt, dishonest, criminal, unAmerican administration of my lifetime and most probably in the history of this country.

What really cracks me up is this piece of dung was in Cincinnati yesterday. The paper reported he was driving by a Catholic Church and a bunch of nuns were outside waving and jumping up and down as his motorcade passed.

I wonder if those nuns were thinking about the tens of thousands of dead Iraqi's their hero is responsible for killing? Probably not, I assume their cheering his position on abortion. No wonder I'm a recovering Catholic.

Eddie

 

[smurphy]

OK Bryanz, is Eddie a TIT or a TAT?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Saul:

I am the Tit and the Tat;
I am the Ying and the Yang;
I am the Alpha and the Omega;

I am the Walrus, koo, koo ka choo,
koo, koo, ca, choo.

Eddie

 

[smurphy]

Eddie,

You are Cal Ripken to my Chan Ho Park. Stay golden, Pony Boy, stay golden.

-Saul

 

[louthesz]

i guarntee 1 thang---that ther haskell boy is one
funny mofo

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Saul:

Actually, I see our relationship more as I am the Pete Rose to your Bart Giamati.

Eddie "I'm sorry I bet on baseball" Haskell

 

[smurphy]

Eddie, you are the drunken gambling lawyer for a dad I never knew. You complete me. ...er I mean you complete Saul.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Good Afternoon Edward--was hoping you'd show up

Friday, Aug. 19, 2005 10:35 a.m. EDT
Clinton Lawyers Fretted Over bin Laden's Comfort

The CIA's former bin Laden desk chief revealed Thursday night that Clinton administration lawyers warned counterterrorism agents that Osama bin Laden had to be kept as comfortable as possible if they captured him during planned raids into Afghanistan.

"The lawyers were more concerned with bin Laden`s safety and his comfort than they were with the officers charged with capturing him," former bin Laden desk chief Michael Scheuer told MSNBC's "Hardball."

"We had to build an ergonomically designed chair to put him in, [for] special comfort in terms of how he was shackled into the chair," Scheuer explained. "They even worried about what kind of tape to gag him with so it wouldn't irritate his beard."
"The lawyers are the bane of the intelligence community," the former CIA man lamented.

Concerns like that, as well as foot-dragging by the White House, resulted in one missed opportunity after another to get the al-Qaida terror mastermind, Scheuer said.

"We had at least eight to 10 chances to capture or kill Osama bin Laden in 1998 and 1999. And the government on all occasions decided that the information was not good enough to act," he claimed.

Although sharply critical of President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq, the CIA counterterrorism specialist put the blame for bin Laden's escape firmly on Clinton.

"In terms of which administration had more chances, Mr. Clinton's administration had far more chances to kill Osama bin Laden than Mr. Bush has until this day," Scheuer said
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P.S. If they capture UBL which liberal attorney would you make odds on fav to try and defend him 1st --Janet Reno????
Would be something if all his attorney generals were defending most wanted terrorists at same time--maybe Marc Rich can kick in a few chips also to get off top the list :142smilie

 

[StevieD]

Reminds me of when Mantle cameback in "64. Great post Sir Edward. Kinda brings a tear to the eye.

 

[smurphy]

DTB is definitely all tit. Whenever he sees tat, he spins it back to tit. All things become tit.

 

[bryanz]

OK Bryanz, is Eddie a TIT or a TAT?

I don't know what Eddie is but he is what he is. There are many who feel like he does and many that think he is a shade of some color they don't want to see or can't imagine how he could think this way. All I know is, we can't go back. Where do we go from here ? That question and the possible answers is what keeps me going. I was watching Oprah today. Yes Oprah. She had on, two women that lost their husbands in the towers . These two women have decided to make the world a better place by helping widows in Afghanistan. By helping who ever any of us may chose to help, we make our world a better place one person at a time. That's all we can do, be positive . Some will read this and think bleeding heart liberal, why would they help women in a country that helped sponsor the deaths of their husbands ? I don't think I'll live long enough, and the day will probably never come. Wouldn't it be something if everyone knew the answer to that question? There is no quick fix, we can't kill all of them before they kill us. If one mothers child doesn't become a killer, we have a start. That's all we can do. Extend a hand up and change a heart and a mind. I believe if the people of the world knew the people of America, (NOT OUR LEADERS) we would have a better chance for peace. This may sound crazy to some but I would rather live out my days on earth hopeful of a better tomorrow. We are living in a world, where it's every person for themselves, I don't like it and do what I must to survive . When given the chance, and we all are given the chance at one time or another , extend a hand and make a difference.

 

[smurphy]

You had me at "I was watching Oprah....".

.....I told myself I wasn't gonna cry, dammit.

 

[The Sponge]

Clearly despite the fact that 9-11 happened on Bush's watch, the right wing, especially Fox (sic.) News has wanted to lay responsibility for that terrorism attack at Clintons feet. They've done it subtly, softball questions to the right, direct attack on Clinton. Typical Rupert Murdoch tactic.

Before you right wing wacks go wild, I've never blamed 9-11 on Bush. I did love how Bill defended himself against Wallace's not so subtle attempt to indict his administration. I mean after all, if Fox could find some evidence that the Clinton adminisitration knew there were icebergs in the North Atlantic, they would lay the responsibility for the sinking of the Titanic squarely on the shoulders of their favorite punching bag.

9-11's are going to happen in a free (or as we know have, a quasi-free) society. Could Clinton have done more to 86 Bin Laden? Under the circumstances, probably not. Why? Under too much political pressure at home.

Whose fault? Both his and the right wing. If he made a move against Bin Laden, the right would have screamed "political" trying to divert attention from the fat jewish chick. The fact that he couldn't make the move because of the fat jewish chick was his own doing and when they roasted him on it he should have said "None of your f***ing business."

He should have been more careful about the bj's and the right wing nut jobs should have backed off the witch hunt. Both paralyzed the country. The right was too interested in getting power and made Clinton ineffective and afraid to act. He was too interested in maintaining his image and should have said screw them (like he did too Wallace) and went all out against Bin Laden.

In closing, the following facts I know for sure:

1) This piece of total garbage, criminal, treasonous president currently in office has created more terrorists by his actions and will create more 9-11's in the future.

2) This piece of total garbage, criminal,treasonous president currently in office has allowed Bin Laden to escape and the mad responsible for the deaths of nearly 3 thousand Americans continues to live and taunt this country.

3) This piece of total garbage, criminal,treasonous president currently in office has taken the sympathy of the world which we could have used to capture Bin Laden and made us the most hated nation in the world risking the lives of my children.

4) This piece of total garbage, criminal, treasonous president currently in office has distracted this country by invading a country which posed no threat to the USA, killed tens of thousands of people and nearly the same number of Americans that died on 9-11 for NO APPARENT REASON

5) This piece of total garbage, criminal, treasonous president currently in office continues to manipulate the "liberal media" by not showing body bags being loaded off airplanes and wounded soldiers with limbs missing.

6) This piece of total garbage, criminal, treasonous president currently in office somehow, someway convinces people that what we are doing is a Christian thing to do as Iraq edges closer and closer towards a civil war.

7) I know that I am currently living in the most evil, corrupt, dishonest, criminal, unAmerican administration of my lifetime and most probably in the history of this country.

What really cracks me up is this piece of dung was in Cincinnati yesterday. The paper reported he was driving by a Catholic Church and a bunch of nuns were outside waving and jumping up and down as his motorcade passed.

I wonder if those nuns were thinking about the tens of thousands of dead Iraqi's their hero is responsible for killing? Probably not, I assume their cheering his position on abortion. No wonder I'm a recovering Catholic.

Eddie

How in the world can this guy get away with saying this? If he didn't write so nice i would have thought i wrote this myself. Eddie is it possible i can hand you the baton for awhile and i can get back to handicapping? It looks like your view's are just like mine.
By the way do you remember when Bush wouldn't let us buy prescription drugs from another country because he said it was to dangerous and wanted to keep us safe? Then when the Anthrax killer struck we had a shortage of Cipro and we ran over to Canada to get more? Was he keeping us safe or was he keeping the pharmaceuticals safe? And where is the Anthrax killer? Is he hiding out with Bin Laden?

 

[smurphy]

Good Afternoon Edward--was hoping you'd show up

Friday, Aug. 19, 2005 10:35 a.m. EDT
Clinton Lawyers Fretted Over bin Laden's Comfort

The CIA's former bin Laden desk chief revealed Thursday night that Clinton administration lawyers warned counterterrorism agents that Osama bin Laden had to be kept as comfortable as possible if they captured him during planned raids into Afghanistan.

"The lawyers were more concerned with bin Laden`s safety and his comfort than they were with the officers charged with capturing him," former bin Laden desk chief Michael Scheuer told MSNBC's "Hardball."

"We had to build an ergonomically designed chair to put him in, [for] special comfort in terms of how he was shackled into the chair," Scheuer explained. "They even worried about what kind of tape to gag him with so it wouldn't irritate his beard."
"The lawyers are the bane of the intelligence community," the former CIA man lamented.

Concerns like that, as well as foot-dragging by the White House, resulted in one missed opportunity after another to get the al-Qaida terror mastermind, Scheuer said.

"We had at least eight to 10 chances to capture or kill Osama bin Laden in 1998 and 1999. And the government on all occasions decided that the information was not good enough to act," he claimed.

Although sharply critical of President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq, the CIA counterterrorism specialist put the blame for bin Laden's escape firmly on Clinton.

"In terms of which administration had more chances, Mr. Clinton's administration had far more chances to kill Osama bin Laden than Mr. Bush has until this day," Scheuer said
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

P.S. If they capture UBL which liberal attorney would you make odds on fav to try and defend him 1st --Janet Reno????
Would be something if all his attorney generals were defending most wanted terrorists at same time--maybe Marc Rich can kick in a few chips also to get off top the list :142smilie

Do you only pay attention to selected Hardball interviews with Scheuer, or are they all sacred?

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, without naming names. Did most of the top people in the CIA believe that it was a mistake to go to Iraq?

SCHEUER: I would think that that is a shared view in terms of trying to finish off the bin Laden problem, sir, yes.

MATTHEWS: Did they believe that when Secretary Powell, who has just resign, that he had the true facts when he went to the U.N. and made the case for war or didn?t he? Was that a sales pitch, rather than a fact-based argument?

SCHEUER: The only part of that I know about, sir, is that the?I happened to do the research on the links between al Qaeda and Iraq.

MATTHEWS: And what did you come up with?

SCHEUER: Nothing.

MATTHEWS: Well, why didn?t somebody say that to the president?

SCHEUER: We did. Well, I don?t know. Again, there?s a difference...

MATTHEWS: Dick Cheney never stops talking about that connection. He is still talking about Prague. He doesn?t quit.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

What does links of Iraq to al Qaeda have to do with subject??--unless your defending Clark who is defending Saddam??
Do you really expect people to believe come Nov that Clinton episodes proves liberals are as tough on terror--more to the point that liberals don't cater to terrorist.

Saw voting on Housebill today concerning treatment of terrorist detainee and would you believe how many liberals voted for the terrorist--
check this vote out--
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll491.xml

and I ask you but 2 questions Who would the terrorist support and who would our troops support.

Hmm gas down to $1.80 in Missouri--unemployment low-inflation low-interest rates low--market bout topped all time high today--and Liberals voting pro terrorist--
You all might want to start beating the WMD drum if hoping to gain any seats in Nov --and if Dems get majority maybe they can slip in terrorists with the felons on voting rights of the "disinfranchised" and win National election in 08.:shrug:

 

[smurphy]

What does links of Iraq to al Qaeda have to do with subject??-
:

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, without naming names. Did most of the top people in the CIA believe that it was a mistake to go to Iraq?

SCHEUER: I would think that that is a shared view in terms of trying to finish off the bin Laden problem, sir, yes.

I'll repeat the main part that pertains to Bin Laden...

Did most of the top people in the CIA believe that it was a mistake to go to Iraq?

I would think that that is a shared view in terms of trying to finish off the bin Laden problem.

As for your 2 part question - I don't know about "liberals", but I do know that the current Republican administration has made things much more difficult for us in the war on terror.

What opinion do you have on statements like this one from the decalssified intelligence report?

The Iraq conflict has become the ?cause celebre? for jihadists, breeding a deep
resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for
the global jihadist movement.

And you harp on the left being soft and which side the troops would support - well, what do you say about the fact that 11 of 12 Iraq war vets running for congress are Democrats? How does that fit into your little theory?

 

[gardenweasel]

great rant,edward....my "hyperbolometer" just exploded......

whew!...i'm glad you got that out of your system...that was poisonous....venomous..... worse than e.coli! .....

bill was obviously sandbagged.....no wonder he was pissed....he thought he was getting an ahmadinnerjacket-style soft ball interview with "mike" wallace at cbs.....instead he got "chris" wallace at fox...lol

further proof that cheney and rove are truly magnificent bastards....

but,unfortunately,edward`s right....sooner or later,another attack will happen....

he`s also right that both administrations can claim a portion of blame...of course he absolves clinton,because of "to much political pressure"(translation:the fat chick in the thong with the cigar sticking out of her twat).....
obviously,the distractions of 98 and 99 were constructed by karl rove(again) and george orwell......

nice rant,though...stuff like,(and this is precious),...."This piece of total garbage, criminal, treasonous president currently in office continues to manipulate the "liberal media" by not showing body bags being loaded off airplanes and wounded soldiers with limbs missing....

any slip and fall lawyer/prestoopnik worth his salt would admit that bush has been hammered more than any president in modern history....
on what planet has he gotten a pass for anything, from 9/11 thru katrina right up to tainted spinache?....

clinton`s taking some heat...because he deserves a little of the heat.....he was called out for leaving somalia in obl`s 1996 fatwa....in the very same year,clinton passed on obl in sudan for lack of "probable cause"....

we knew where obl was in 1998, but clinton only ordered cruise missiles.....and he had obl under a predator drone in 2000....

not blaming anyone...but he had some great opportunities...that`s just fact....

bushitler,by contrast, was still trying to get key staff into position by the time 9/11 rolled around, planned and prepared for on clinton's watch......

and remember,bush was preparing for the controlled demolition of the wtc`s....:SIB

but yes, bush was president on 9/11...much like clinton was in office for what,28 days prior to wtc1?.......

think!!!
jihad is an ideology always looking for a battlefield.....

if we create terrorists through our military actions, where are all the serbian terrorists?..........i ask because wes clark bombed serbia much more brutally than the u.s.. bombed iraq or afghanistan under gwb.......
and there was regime change...


it's the jihad, stupid....you find it in mosques, islamic centers, arab media, the muslim brotherhood, terror groups of many names, and islamic advocacy groups....

in places having little to do with bush or the great satan(i.e.the phillipines..indonesia...russia et al)...

edward...you`re a peach...and i love ya`......but,when the psychology journals publish research papers on bds,i`ll submit your rant.....i`m sure it will be one of the first ones profiled....

how do you find your way to work everyday?....

 

[The Sponge]

What does links of Iraq to al Qaeda have to do with subject??--unless your defending Clark who is defending Saddam??
Do you really expect people to believe come Nov that Clinton episodes proves liberals are as tough on terror--more to the point that liberals don't cater to terrorist.

Saw voting on Housebill today concerning treatment of terrorist detainee and would you believe how many liberals voted for the terrorist--
check this vote out--
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll491.xml

and I ask you but 2 questions Who would the terrorist support and who would our troops support.

Hmm gas down to $1.80 in Missouri--unemployment low-inflation low-interest rates low--market bout topped all time high today--and Liberals voting pro terrorist--
You all might want to start beating the WMD drum if hoping to gain any seats in Nov --and if Dems get majority maybe they can slip in terrorists with the felons on voting rights of the "disinfranchised" and win National election in 08.:shrug:

Dog honestly here do you really think gas is down and its not because its the election that is coming up?
Now for the liberal label you love to throw around. I can talk as tough as i want since i can hide behind a computer. Basically what this administration does is they hide behind the military because not one of them want or will ever fight. Now on this bill that they just passed were their a couple of poison pills latched onto this bill? Dog what that means is the repub are great with wording a bill but they add all these little things that make the informed American just want to puke. Do you know in the patriot act Frist had in it something to do with a business venture he was involved and didn't want to be liable for damages?, . Dog im all for the NSA program but i need a stipulation in it. I want the death penalty in it where if anyone is caught using this with anything beside terrorism they get put to death. When you get power hungry people making laws that look good and are worded nice you have to read the fine print. Like i said im for the NSA program as long as the death penalty is included. Im pretty sure it will stop anyone who has an agenda like these fawks. read on.
By William E. Gibson / South Florida Sun-Sentinel

WASHINGTON - While the White House defended domestic surveillance as a safeguard against terrorism, a Florida peace activist and several Democrats in Congress accused the Bush administration on Friday of spying on Americans who disagree with President Bush's policies.

Richard Hersh, of Boca Raton, Fla., director of Truth Project Inc. of Palm Beach County, told an ad hoc panel of House Democrats that his group and others in South Florida have been infiltrated and spied upon despite having no connections to terrorists.

"Agents rummaged through the trash, snooped into e-mails, packed Web sites and listened in on phone conversations," Hersh charged. "We know that address books and activist meeting lists have disappeared."

The Truth Project gained national attention when NBC News reported last month that it was described as a "credible threat" in a database of suspicious activity compiled by the Pentagon's Talon program. The listing cited the group's gathering a year ago at a Quaker meeting house in Lake Worth, Fla., to talk about ways to counter military recruitment at high schools.

Talon is separate from the controversial domestic-surveillance program conducted by the National Security Agency. Bush has acknowledged signing orders that allow the NSA to eavesdrop without the usual court warrants, prompting an outcry from many in Congress.

Bush plans to tour the NSA on Wednesday as part of a campaign to defend his handling of the program.

"This is a critical tool that helps us save lives and prevent attacks," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said on Friday. "It is limited and targeted to al-Qaida communications, with the focus being on detection and prevention."

The Defense Department's Talon program collects data from a wide variety of sources, including military personnel and private citizens, Pentagon spokesman Greg Hicks said.

"They are unfiltered dots of information about perceived threats," Hicks said. "An analyst will look at that information. And what we are trying to do is connect the dots before the next major attack."

To Hersh and some members of Congress, the warrant-less surveillance and Talon are all a part of domestic-spying operations that threaten civil liberties of average Americans and put dissenters under a cloud of suspicion.

"Neither you nor anybody in that (Quaker) church had anything to do with terrorism," said Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla. "The fact is, the Truth Project may have a philosophy that is adverse to the political philosophy and goals of the president of the United States. And as a result of that different philosophy, the president and the secretary of defense ordered that your group be spied upon.

"There should not be a single American who today remains confident that it couldn't happen to them."