Kdogg21
In the last 30 years the Pac 10 has won 4 National Championships!!!!
You said 3.
The Big 10 has won 4 National Championships but I think 2 of them by Penn St. were prior to Penn St. joining the Big 10.
In the last 32 years, the Pac 10 has won 5 National Championships!!!!
I do not think that makes the Pac 10 pathetic. Especially when you consider how the Pac 10 has been screwed by the BCS for BCS title games. Pac 10 alone has been the reason for the BCS changes year after year. Not accusing BCS or teams cheating, just not getting it right.
Not exactly. What if team A plays the #1 SOS and loses a tough game on the road by 3pts in OT, and teams B and C both go undefeated and play average SOS. Teams B and C will be playing for the championship and team A will be left out due to a tough loss. Team A is prob. the best team in the country and would prob. win it all if there were a playoff but since there is no playoffs you cannot afford any losses. This is an example of where the best team in the country might not be the National Champions. I did not give any real team examples because I do not want to stir another debate. But that is a classic example and many other examples similar to that. This is why I am in favor of a playoff system "or" what Saban suggest Bowls games +1.
Thanks Kdogg21 for seeing my point. I only used Patriots as a mythical example, not to be taken seriously. I could have used OU transferring to the Big East but then OU "could" lose in the title game. Patriots would not in 5 years.
That is my point. SEC does have 4 DOMINANT teams. That is great and I love watching those elite teams. However, when you talk about conferences, you have to talk about ALL 12 teams in the SEC and ALL 12 teams in the SEC have to carry the same weight! Get it?
Right now in the Big 12 OU and KSU are prime time elite programs! What about the other 10 teams in the Big 12?
I think you and others tend to focus too much on the "elite" programs and not the "whole" conf. I could not put up much of a debate against the SEC being superior to the Pac 10 if you want to compare the top 4 teams in each conf. I can put up a debate on all 12 teams in the SEC vs all 10 teams in the Pac 10. When you do talk about CONF. you are talking about all the teams in that conf. and every team MUST carry the same weight. Now last year I thought the SEC was stronger as a whole than the Pac 10. Even top to bottom. But in the last 5+ years I strongly feel the Pac 10 at the very least was just as strong as the SEC top to bottom. I also feel in the last 5+ years the SEC had more "elite" teams than the Pac 10.
Get where I am coming from?
In the last 30 years the Pac 10 has won 4 National Championships!!!!
You said 3. The Big 10 has won 4 National Championships but I think 2 of them by Penn St. were prior to Penn St. joining the Big 10.
In the last 32 years, the Pac 10 has won 5 National Championships!!!!
I do not think that makes the Pac 10 pathetic. Especially when you consider how the Pac 10 has been screwed by the BCS for BCS title games. Pac 10 alone has been the reason for the BCS changes year after year. Not accusing BCS or teams cheating, just not getting it right.
Not exactly. What if team A plays the #1 SOS and loses a tough game on the road by 3pts in OT, and teams B and C both go undefeated and play average SOS. Teams B and C will be playing for the championship and team A will be left out due to a tough loss. Team A is prob. the best team in the country and would prob. win it all if there were a playoff but since there is no playoffs you cannot afford any losses. This is an example of where the best team in the country might not be the National Champions. I did not give any real team examples because I do not want to stir another debate. But that is a classic example and many other examples similar to that. This is why I am in favor of a playoff system "or" what Saban suggest Bowls games +1.
Thanks Kdogg21 for seeing my point. I only used Patriots as a mythical example, not to be taken seriously. I could have used OU transferring to the Big East but then OU "could" lose in the title game. Patriots would not in 5 years.
That is my point. SEC does have 4 DOMINANT teams. That is great and I love watching those elite teams. However, when you talk about conferences, you have to talk about ALL 12 teams in the SEC and ALL 12 teams in the SEC have to carry the same weight! Get it?
Right now in the Big 12 OU and KSU are prime time elite programs! What about the other 10 teams in the Big 12?
I think you and others tend to focus too much on the "elite" programs and not the "whole" conf. I could not put up much of a debate against the SEC being superior to the Pac 10 if you want to compare the top 4 teams in each conf. I can put up a debate on all 12 teams in the SEC vs all 10 teams in the Pac 10. When you do talk about CONF. you are talking about all the teams in that conf. and every team MUST carry the same weight. Now last year I thought the SEC was stronger as a whole than the Pac 10. Even top to bottom. But in the last 5+ years I strongly feel the Pac 10 at the very least was just as strong as the SEC top to bottom. I also feel in the last 5+ years the SEC had more "elite" teams than the Pac 10.
Get where I am coming from?
