Conservative or Liberal..What will be better for the US..

[Chadman]

"Plenty of off the cuff stuff here that you should be able to tear apart, Wayne. You're up. If you lose the economics battle in this discussion, I guess you're stuck with the Iraq war being a good thing for America as the Bush legacy"
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Only way I lose is if liberals agree the opinion you put up from liberal blogs trumps the facts on the charts displayed--

I think there have been enough facts displayed for the rational people to make their own decisions--as far as the Liberal --"worst economy since great depression groupies--theres absolutely nothing that would sway them
--they will dismiss low inflation by price of milk
--say tax cuts don't help their non tax paying base--claim low unemployment means nothing if everyone isn't earning $50,000 a year
--low interests are useless are if their dead beat base can't pay back their loans
ect ect ect

Fact of the matter is--
booming economy will have no impact on liberal base unless they find way to take it from those competent enough to exploit it and give it to the non productive--

Which is, has and always be their political agenda.

I'll ask it more simply, then, maybe you can provide a direct answer, and we'll see if the rational people agree or disagree with it.

Do you see a big difference between the unemplyment and inflation numbers in the 1990's and in the 2000's? Use whatever sources, or numbers, you like to answer - if you care to.

 

[marine]

Ok, I won't call you retard anymore, so long as you promise not to call me (and anyone else who believes some of the statistics published by the government) "stupid" and accuse me of having my head in the sand.

Yes, your vendors have raised the price of their goods that must be delivered to the restaurants. You think they just magically increase the price for no valid reason? Think they don't have employees that they need to pay money to? Think their employees don't clamor for wage increases.

The cost of beans never rises.
The cost of someone to pick those beans and pack them up and ship them does.
It ALL comes back to wages.

 

[auspice2]

Ok, I won't call you retard anymore, so long as you promise not to call me (and anyone else who believes some of the statistics published by the government) "stupid" and accuse me of having my head in the sand.

Yes, your vendors have raised the price of their goods that must be delivered to the restaurants. You think they just magically increase the price for no valid reason? Think they don't have employees that they need to pay money to? Think their employees don't clamor for wage increases.

The cost of beans never rises.
The cost of someone to pick those beans and pack them up and ship them does.
It ALL comes back to wages.

Wrong. Check the price of corn as compared with years past. Farmers are making out like bandits now if their money crop is corn. A decent field usually harvests 150-165 bushels @ acre. Typical costs (including harvest and transport) is in the $400 mark. Farmers often 'lock in' prices with contracts to guarantee them a set price so the worry of deflated prices ect.... is no longer ever present. Earlier this year, farmers were getting almost $4@ bushel. Do the math. It's why good tiled farm land is now selling @3,500-5000 dollars per acre. It's lucrative to farm now. Crop insurance if things go bad and tons of upside if things go good.



Reason I brought up corn was so many items are interdependent on corn. Beef for ex. It's not just the price of labor. Never has been, never will be.

The government is just feeding us a line of BS with the inflation charts. I can remember when the best blue jeans cost $5. Apply the inflation charts to them and they ought to cost maybe $10 now. Do they? Hell NO. It's that way with everything. Meanwhile the government keeps publishing their little charts telling everyone it's just status quo out there. Utter nonsense.

 

[Chadman]

Believe the minimum wage has only gone up from $5.15 to $5.85 this year, it's a yearly increase for three years. I sincerely doubt this increase is the only cause of products being more expensive these days.

 

[flapjack]

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Wrong. Check the price of corn as compared with years past. Farmers are making out like bandits now if their money crop is corn. A decent field usually harvests 150-165 bushels @ acre. Typical costs (including harvest and transport) is in the $400 mark. Farmers often 'lock in' prices with contracts to guarantee them a set price so the worry of deflated prices ect.... is no longer ever present. Earlier this year, farmers were getting almost $4@ bushel. Do the math. It's why good tiled farm land is now selling @3,500-5000 dollars per acre. It's lucrative to farm now. Crop insurance if things go bad and tons of upside if things go good.



Reason I brought up corn was so many items are interdependent on corn. Beef for ex. It's not just the price of labor. Never has been, never will be.

You can't reasonably point to corn as an accurate reflection of inflation. The demand has gone through the roof with the emerging demand for corn-based ethanol.
Supply<Demand=Price Increase

 

[Chadman]

I'll ask it more simply, then, maybe you can provide a direct answer, and we'll see if the rational people agree or disagree with it.

Do you see a big difference between the unemplyment and inflation numbers in the 1990's and in the 2000's? Use whatever sources, or numbers, you like to answer - if you care to.

 

[djv]

Watch air lines. Fuel goes up and what do they do.
Surge Charge on those tickets. Some times as much as 50 bucks a seat. Not because some cleaner of the plane got 50 cent raise.
Look guys there hiding the truth by not putting money spent on Iraq. Watch when we have to start to pay that bill off when Bush leaves office. It starts coming do in 09. Nice mess for next president. Taxes will have to go up or recession will nail us all.

 

[marine]

Watch air lines. Fuel goes up and what do they do.
Surge Charge on those tickets. Some times as much as 50 bucks a seat. Not because some cleaner of the plane got 50 cent raise.
Look guys there hiding the truth by not putting money spent on Iraq. Watch when we have to start to pay that bill off when Bush leaves office. It starts coming do in 09. Nice mess for next president. Taxes will have to go up or recession will nail us all.

djv, if you are going to talk about the fuel surcharge and correlate it to some cleaner getting a 50 cent raise.....

step back further and discover why the price of fuel went up... which in turn drove the price of the airline ticket up,

 

[djv]

I guess I need a lesson Why fuel went up from 99 cents in 2000 to 3 bucks in 2007? I can't call it normal inflation. Or why health care has gone up more the 150%. Can't be same reasons? Wages sure didn't do it all. Aveage rasies last 6 years 2.8%. As seen in USA.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I'll ask it more simply, then, maybe you can provide a direct answer, and we'll see if the rational people agree or disagree with it.

Do you see a big difference between the unemplyment and inflation numbers in the 1990's and in the 2000's? Use whatever sources, or numbers, you like to answer - if you care to.

Actually There are not a lot of difference--the point is I didn't see anyone complaining about the economy back then or saying it was worst since great deperssion like your crew/blogs.

more importantly this economy has prospered in wake of inheiriting recession- followed by the greatest man made and natural disasters we have ever had and fighting 2 wars in process--with a tax cut!

--Did that wake you up?

 

[djv]

Dog's everyone knows that old story. But no one knows how we pay for any of it. We can't even come close to cutting enough cost. So the great tax give a way by Bush will need to be brought back in line. And the story of why were in Iraq witch was false was stupid. Afghanistan yes, Iraq no. Do you really want to believe we can dismiss all the debt with out causing a recession.

 

[Chadman]

Actually There are not a lot of difference--the point is I didn't see anyone complaining about the economy back then or saying it was worst since great deperssion like your crew/blogs.

more importantly this economy has prospered in wake of inheiriting recession- followed by the greatest man made and natural disasters we have ever had and fighting 2 wars in process--with a tax cut!

--Did that wake you up?

Yea, finally...I was beginning to worry that you had given up the good fight...:box2:

Wife has me working on stuff today, so I'll have to respond later...but thanks for standing tall.