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Outtakes From Cosby's Speech to NAACP
Still not Dribble One in West Coast daily newspapers of news about Bill Cosby's in-your-face exhortations to black parents who aren't doing their jobs. Coz's remarks came at the NAACP's Brown vs. Board shindig last week in D.C. The story was originally broken by WaPo columnist Richard Leiby. The delayed-reaction, liberally-filtered NY Times article on the ruckus ran yesterday, now making the story safe for general consumption, but West Coast dailies still won't touch it (according to my survey of Google News, today). This is appalling. Basic rules of news gathering are being blatantly ignored by West Coast dailies. The who, what, when and where make this a major news story. What gives?

However, Chicago Tribune syndicated columnist Clarence Page wrote about Cosby's remarks today, and the UK Telegraph joined in, with a statement from Cosby that he belives his remarks pertain to urban blacks in England as well. (Free registration required for both pieces).

And in in today's Washinton Post, Reliable Source columnist Richard Leiby transcribes more of Cosby's taped remarks. Mind you, Coz is a bit worked up. (Free registration required).

In fiery remarks last week in Washington, Bill Cosby took the black community to task for parental failures that he says have led to high dropout rates, crime and other social ills. After we published brief excerpts of his cultural critique -- delivered at a gala marking the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education desegregation ruling -- several readers called for more. Conservative broadcasters seized upon Cosby's remarks, but he was unrepentant in an interview yesterday with The Post's Hamil Harris: "Do I not make a move to speak to the people that I love?" he said.
He plans to continue preaching his tough gospel, which was motivated, he said, by District Police Chief Charles Ramsey, who earlier this year called on the community to do a better job of parenting.

NAACP Executive Director Kweisi Mfume said he agreed with "most of what Cosby said" and hugged him after the speech. "He said what needed to be said," Mfume said.

"I was talking to the movers and shakers," Cosby emphasized yesterday. Here's more Cos, as tape-recorded by Harris Monday night:

"I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? . . .

"The church is only open on Sunday and you can't keep asking Jesus to do things for you. You can't keep saying that God will find a way. God is tired of you," Cosby declared to loud applause.

"I wasn't there when God was saying it, I am making this up, but it sounds like what God would say. In all of this work we can not blame white people. White people don't live over there; they close up the shop early. The Korean ones don't know us well enough, so they stay open 24 hours."

On fashion: "People putting their clothes on backwards: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? . . . People with their hats on backwards, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something, or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up to the crack and got all type of needles [piercings] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from? Those people are not Africans; they don't know a damn thing about Africa.

"With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail. Brown versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. We have to go in there -- forget about telling your child to go into the Peace Corps -- it is right around the corner. They are standing on the corner and they can't speak English."

On sports heroes: "Basketball players -- multimillionaires -- can't write a paragraph. Football players -- multimillionaires -- can't read. Yes, multimillionaires. Well, Brown versus Board of Education: Where are we today? They paved the way, but what did we do with it? That white man, he's laughing. He's got to be laughing: 50 percent drop out, the rest of them are in prison."

On teenage sex: "Five, six children -- same woman -- eight, 10 different husbands or whatever. Pretty soon you are going to have DNA cards to tell who you are making love to. You don't know who this is. It might be your grandmother. I am telling you, they're young enough! Hey, you have a baby when you are 12; your baby turns 13 and has a baby. How old are you? Huh? Grandmother! By the time you are 12 you can have sex with your grandmother, you keep those numbers coming. I'm just predicting. . . .

"(Why are) young girls getting after a girl who wants to remain a virgin? Who are these sick black people and where do they come from and why haven't they been parented to shut up? This is a sickness, ladies and gentlemen."
 

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I think that you could apply his speech to any race of people in the USA. Cosby is a very intelligent man and excellent speaker who does not mind stepping on some toes to get his point across.
Parenting it seems has got very lax, look at the problems our school teachers are having they spend more time on decipline than on teaching.
Very good read and can't understand why the media hasn't tried to chastize Mr. Cosby. :rolleyes:
 

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Wonder if the reaction would be different if a white person had said those things. Nah.
 

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As a former teacher I want ot mention that race does or did not matter. Parenting was always the cornerstone of the students I taught.

To many parents live their life "through" their children instead of guiding them. They say they just wanted to be friends with the children so they would talk to them...OK justifiable for "that parent's" needs, but when polled children wanted limits, they wanted their parents to be parents! Period!

They have enough friends...they need a compassionate yet steady handed judge and jury in their corner at home. That is willing to sacrifice some ill will for great parenting. Parenting is not easy, but it is a worthwhile effort as the results bring undeniable benefits to everyone involved. But fewer and fewer parents are not willing to do as much. Stick up for your children only when it is appropriate, otherwise let them shoulder the blame, and downfalls of their poor decisions, and IMO never let them see you disrespect a person of respect in their presence. The learn from what they see. (You get pulled over for speeding with a child in the car, accept responsibility and say it's your fault don't try to weasle out of it. Your child cheated on a test and got caught...don't try to get them 50% of the points so they may pass the class. Your son sitting on the bench in a sport...Don't argue with the coaches in their presence or with their knowledge.) Let them accept responsibility...

Just my opinion, but race, religion, etc. made know difference..but parental involvement and good parenting made al the difference in the world!!

TSI
 

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If you could only convince the ?It can?t be MY fault? mentality of the majority with what you just typed down the world would be a much better place. Personal responsibility and accountability are in short supply.
 

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Dogface, that was an excellent post. Too bad Cosby was just addressing the black community, as was already said, this applies to everyone. I have heard one too many "how did my kid end up in jail" stories when the answer is in the mirror.

Penguinfan
 

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Turfgrass said:
If you could only convince the ?It can?t be MY fault? mentality of the majority with what you just typed down the world would be a much better place. Personal responsibility and accountability are in short supply.

Isn't that the truth...too many people have too many excuses when things hit the fan. But they are all to willing to accept repsponsibility when things are going right! Even if it was a fluke...LOL!

TSI
 

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penguinfan said:
Dogface, that was an excellent post. Too bad Cosby was just addressing the black community, as was already said, this applies to everyone. I have heard one too many "how did my kid end up in jail" stories when the answer is in the mirror.

Penguinfan

I agree with you, and thanks for the comments. But Cosby is a champion for his race and culture, and those words I believe were directed as such. In context I back and value his point, imagine if a white person would have said that to the group?

Unfortunately we all hear and validate information based on who is telling it, which is ok. But along the lines we miss some great guiding principles and information that could be life changing no matter who it was speaking it. (That includes all races as well as all ages, even my almost 2 year old teaches me things!)

TSI
 

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dogface said:


To many parents live their life "through" their children instead of guiding them. They say they just wanted to be friends with the children so they would talk to them...OK justifiable for "that parent's" needs, but when polled children wanted limits, they wanted their parents to be parents! Period!

They have enough friends...they need a compassionate yet steady handed judge and jury in their corner at home. That is willing to sacrifice some ill will for great parenting. Parenting is not easy, but it is a worthwhile effort as the results bring undeniable benefits to everyone involved. But fewer and fewer parents are not willing to do as much. Stick up for your children only when it is appropriate, otherwise let them shoulder the blame, and downfalls of their poor decisions, and IMO never let them see you disrespect a person of respect in their presence. The learn from what they see. (You get pulled over for speeding with a child in the car, accept responsibility and say it's your fault don't try to weasle out of it. Your child cheated on a test and got caught...don't try to get them 50% of the points so they may pass the class. Your son sitting on the bench in a sport...Don't argue with the coaches in their presence or with their knowledge.) Let them accept responsibility...



TSI

Any of you who have newborns or thinking about becoming a parent in the future should print this quote and put it on your refrigerator or somewhere where you can refer to it on a regular basis. One of the best quotes I have seen come from these forums. Nice work Dogface. Your son is fortunate to have a dad like you.
 

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My favorite line from Cosby, "Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up to the crack and got all type of needles [piercings] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from? Those people are not Africans; they don't know a damn thing about Africa. " Thought it was interesting how the article pointed out that Kwasi Mfume hugged him and acknowledged agreeing with most of his comments. Why isn't Cosby more of a voice for black Americans?? How did Jackson and Sharpton get those titles?? That's what befuddles me.

agree with the posts about rearing children. Parents need to love their kids and tell them so frequently, even when they get big. However, loving them does not equate to letting them have a free ride and not learning responsibility.

My five year old opens the door for all girls and women. My kids are not allowed to say "yeah" to us or any adult, they have been taught to say a simple "yes" or "yes ma'am, yes sir" as a sign of respect. My kids have had household chores (easy things, not hard to accomplish that increase with age) since they were 3 years old. There's much more, but I'm not going to elaborate, most is common sense stuff.

I also agree that race doesn't factor in to teaching your children wrong from right, respect, and responsibility for their own acitons.

I think being active in church is also very important although I know many here disagree with that. I know I benefited growing up, and my kids do too.
 

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i agree

i agree

that this problem somewhat cuts through cultural lines.....but it has destroyed the black community..a good portion of the concept of the black family unit......cosby is saying what needs to be said....

saw a commentator on t.v. asking a b.e.t. exec why they were running near pornograpic rap videos from 11:30 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. on saturday when the kids are home....some of that stuff is unbelievable...

congrats to coz for stepping up to the plate.....

i have to say that my fear of my father probably kept me from being a very bad egg....

i resented him....sometimes disliked him...but,he kept me from going crazy.....in a fairly rough part of baltimore city...

i`ll always owe that to him..i wouldn`t be where i am today if not for some good oldtime righteous fear of my old man......
 

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Great comments by all!

Captain Crunch..thanks for the nice words. But before they get posted on refrigerators around the world...please allow me to correct the spelling and grammatics! LOL!!

I also hope my son, thinks he is lucky when he becomes 16! LOL!

TSI
 

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Great points made above. This man is believed and that helps get he message out. However it is true he could have mentioned that it affects all races. But I think it was better he did not. Then the chit would have hit the fan. Then he would have been crossing the line. Even tho many of us know it's true. And would stand with him.The heat he would have got would have made the important part he was saying get missed.
 
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