DEC 15th elections

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Out of curiousity which front do you think will be more effective in trying to disrupt them--

The terrorist with stepped up bombings--
or
liberals quoted daily on Alljazeera with their
Get out now--we can't win--former attorney generals defending Saadam approach--ect

---and they wonder why our military don't trust liberals.

once again not ment to be reflection on main stream Dems.

Saw Dean last night saying he was taken out of context--you be the judge

Cherry Picked Comments?

DNC Chairman Howard Dean says his claim that the war in Iraq is unwinnable, was taken "a little out of context, and that his remarks had been "cherry picked." So here is the full context from Dean's an interview with a San Antonio radio station Tuesday:

"I supported President Bush, the first President Bush's war in Iraq. I supported this president Bush's war in Afghanistan. But I do not believe in making the same mistake twice. And America appears to have made the same mistake twice. I wish the president had paid more attention to the history of Iraq before we'd gotten in there. The idea that we're going to win this war is an idea that is unfortunately just plain wrong, and I've seen this before in my life. It cost us 25,000 brave American soldiers in Vietnam, and I don't want to go down that road again."

---What a huge blunder by liberals--they were getting job accomplished by the norm operating mode of no plan of their own an attacking at every chance--however Burtha issue and GW finally going on attack-- put burr under their saddle and forced them to commit to something--been absolute havoc in their camp every since and I can guarantee few with the exception of terrorists are liking what they see from them

 

[Chadman]

That's a common, and interesting take on things. If you actually listen to Dean speak when he's making this commentary (I don't necessarily defend it, just offering an opinion) I think his context is in regards to the history of Iraq and the middle east more than our performance there. The simple comment about winning the war in Iraq does not really deal with the complexities involved in the middle east in general, and in Iraq specifically. Dean is right when he asserts that we as the US cannot come into a country like this, destroy the military and police force, impose our value and belief system and say "we won". The only way we could ever "win" in Iraq is to put a puppet government in there and maintain a strong military presence there forever. Or at least for many, many years. Because the warring factions that will remain in Iraq after we leave will not get along and agree with the outlook of the other factions. Not to mention, there's no way that Iraq, without our military, could stand up to any attack by another country - like Iran - for years to come.

We are stuck there, or if we "get out" we will - in my opinion - have to return there to defend the country with our military.

I don't agree with many comments Dean speaks off the cuff, but I think his comment here has some merit. He's not saying that the US can't or won't dominate this country and win militarily. We already have. He's saying that to have this country stand on it's own and be self-sufficient as a U.S.-type democracy in the Middle East is not something we can probably "win" without a lot more.

And I agree with that.

Maybe I'm off base in my assessment here. Entirely possible. But to take one printed sentence out of the rest of his commentary and use it is not really being fair and balanced. This little part of his commentary was actually said in a lowered voice, more of an off-handed part of his assessment, like you and I would talk together. He does have to understand, as does Kerry, and anyone else, that if you say ANYthing these days, it will be knitpicked and used by the opposition. To be fair, liberals and democrats do the very same thing.

 

[Chadman]

To answer your posted question, though, IMO, the attacks will be somewhat of a disruptor and probably might keep some people from voting. The really sad thing is, I'd guess there will be some people who actually die trying to vote. I have to think the bombings will be pretty intense and ugly during this week.

I don' think your either or scenario was totally a question, more of a jab at us lefties, right?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I will agree with you most are slanted on both sides--no excuse for Dean however as much as I dislike Kerry believe he got bad beat on "U.S. troops terrorizing Iraqis"--he could have used better term than terrorizing however would agree with his intent on statement that iraqis would serve purpose better than U.S. troops on night raids on civilian population.

Some things just bother me especially liberal media and their Algezzera outlet. They now have another "timely" bitch about pro U.S. media coverage in Iraq yet they have been source of most of Algazeera anti U.S. campaign--however liberal media might be pissed after today as I see liberals are by passing them and linking directly with Algazeera. Algazeera is interviewing Sheehan themselves now.

I think this is pretty significant story today--in checking reuters and AP I don't see squat about it--will give USA Today and NYT pass till their news comes out tomorrow--

Friday, December 09, 2005



BAGHDAD, Iraq ? Iraqi citizens turned over a high-ranking Al Qaeda member known as "the Butcher" to U.S. forces in Ramadi Friday a military statement said.

Amir Khalaf Fanus was No. 3 on the 28th Infantry Division's High Value Individual list for Ramadi, wanted for murder and kidnapping in connection with his affiliation with Al Qaeda in Iraq.

"He is the highest ranking Al Qaeda in Iraq member to be turned into Iraqi and U.S. officials by local citizens," Capt. Jeffrey S. Pool said in a statement released from Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi. "His capture is another indication that the local citizens tire of the insurgents' presence within their community."

According to Pool, Iraqi and U.S. Forces "have witnessed increasing signs of citizens fighting the terrorists within Ramadi as the Dec. 15 National Elections draw nearer."

He said that another 1,200 Iraqi Security Force soldiers were recently stationed in Ramadi, while 1,100 Iraqi special police commandos and a mechanized Iraqi army company had moved into the city.

of course might not bode well with Christo anology it is iraqis and not Al Qaeda in Iraq

 

[djv]

I don't think much will change. They will have election and bombs will keep going off weeks after it's over. Maybe years. Some wil say it's a victory they voted. They voted before so I guress they new how. I just hope none of our soldiers get hit.