defend this, gun advocates
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Okay, I would say that Ron Gotti or whatever the hell his name is has a some type of personality disorder and is certainly a social misfit. None of that is due to gun ownership. He didn't buy a gun and decide he was crazy. Just because people misuse weapons and abuse the laws of the land doesn't mean that it is the gun's fault.
The fact of the matte is that outlawing weapon sales is not pragmatic nor will it ever happen. I think it would be fair to assume the he knew that he was breaking the law, so he would have done that no matter if the gun was obtained legally or illegally. A gun is a weapon that can be used for hunting as well as self defense, then again so can crossbows.
Drugs have been illegal for years, how are those laws doing to stem the tide of drug use in society?
It isn't the guns or the drugs doing the killing, its the people in possession of them.
If guns kill people, then... Pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
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well then what is the big deal about countries owning WMD?
WMD don't kill people. people kill people, right?
so why even be worried about who has what nukes since it isn't the nukes that kill people?
I am not blaming the gun and saying it is the fault of the gun.
But having gun laws so relaxed that people like that can easily purchase a weapon is insane.
Will people like that still be able to get guns if they try hard enough? Sure some of them will, but why not make it more difficult so the chance goes down?
I don't have a gun and don't really feel comfortable around them but I think they do need to be legal.
If you take drugs as an example. There against the law but you still have people that want to do them and can get them anytime they want. Being against the law IMO hasn't even curbed the use of illegal drugs and probably sets up other bad things that go along with it being illegal. People who don't do drugs aren't trying to get them so it doesn't matter.
Guns on the other hand- You have bad people that get them and use them for bad things. These people would get guns no matter what just like people get drugs. The problem is that if they're illegal then someone like my 64 year old mother wouldn't get one because she's not the type of person to do something that's against the law. As it is now she has one and keeps it in her bed side table for protection. It makes me feel some what comfortable knowing she can and will protect herself. If her alarm goes off now, she reaches straight for the drawer and the gun. Make them illegal and she would get rid of it but then how would she protect herself?
If you take drugs as an example. There against the law but you still have people that want to do them and can get them anytime they want. Being against the law IMO hasn't even curbed the use of illegal drugs and probably sets up other bad things that go along with it being illegal. People who don't do drugs aren't trying to get them so it doesn't matter.
Guns on the other hand- You have bad people that get them and use them for bad things. These people would get guns no matter what just like people get drugs. The problem is that if they're illegal then someone like my 64 year old mother wouldn't get one because she's not the type of person to do something that's against the law. As it is now she has one and keeps it in her bed side table for protection. It makes me feel some what comfortable knowing she can and will protect herself. If her alarm goes off now, she reaches straight for the drawer and the gun. Make them illegal and she would get rid of it but then how would she protect herself?
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i own 4 guns 2 shotguns a .270 and a .22 i want my right to own them buti do believe the laws suck. the problem is i own all mine legally and the idiots dont follow the same laws. I think poeple on both sides have a great argument. The nra is to over the top and so are the poeple on the other side but this is my opinion so airportis i do seee both sides. plus i cant spell people
they don't need to be made completely illegal but tightening the rules on owning one could keep some out of the hands of criminals.
the argument of "bad people will do bad things and get them anyway" is ridiculous. why have any laws or restrictions on anything? bad people will do bad things and break these laws anyway or get what they want, so why have them?
Actually, I see both sides and agree in part with both of them. I stated that enacting more gun laws is not pragmatic. I say that because laws are fairly easy to pass but enforcement is not always as easy. It is my opinion that if the current laws were actually enforced we would be discussing prison overcrowding on an unbelievable level.
Again, I am not making an excuse. I am merely stating that laws are only as good as the ability to enforce them.
We can pass all the drug and illegal immigration laws that we want, but with the current state of law and customs enforcement, they are simply not pragmatic.
Hope this helps,
FDC
We have laws so that we have some basis to punish people that committ the acts.
Seeing people break the law and then punished appropriately for it can, and does, act as a deterrent to people that have not yet done a similiar act but may be considering it.
Remember all those countries that would chop of your hand if you got caught stealing? You heard about it on the news every so often years ago.
The key part of that being, "every so often". Because people knew, if they stole their neighbors wallet, they were going to lose a hand.
Unlike here in the US, where you can rob your neighbor blind, and get handed a citation for 500 bucks and 10 hours of community service.
Deterrance.
Just like, home burglaries. You rarely here of a burglar going into a home that is well lit with a bunch of people sitting around watching tv with their german shephard barking noisily. Those burglars go to the dark houses with no one home. Why? Because it is less likely that they run into some sort of a deterrant.
Laws, help keep the good people good.
Sort of like, a lock keeps an honest man honest.
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as a human race it sometimes becomes necessary to take extreme measures to protect those inhabitants..
That time has arrived.
How human we are and what extreme measures the powers that be are willing to take will decide the future course of these senseless killings.
believe it ..at some point in this[USA] countries future guns and ammo ain't going to be stockpiled in gun safes and hidden in the bedroom closet.
Eventually the mothers and fathers of these slain children will demand and end this practice of hoarding aresenal.
this you can bet your last friggin' dime on..
That time has arrived.
How human we are and what extreme measures the powers that be are willing to take will decide the future course of these senseless killings.
believe it ..at some point in this[USA] countries future guns and ammo ain't going to be stockpiled in gun safes and hidden in the bedroom closet.
Eventually the mothers and fathers of these slain children will demand and end this practice of hoarding aresenal.
this you can bet your last friggin' dime on..
then they`ll have to amend the constitution...and the only ones with guns will be the government....and the criminals...
i`m actually anxious to see that day...i hope i live that long....i want to see the hell that breaks loose in this country when the government finally overreaches and tries to confiscate the guns of law abiding,tax paying citizens.......
it won`t be pretty....
marine is correct. Deterrence is the key to the problem. If every one of these idiots was shot in the head when caught pulling these kind of stunts and then paraded around town and TV the other thugs would get the picture.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/crime/2012/08/22/ac-dnt-rowlands-chicago-ride-along.cnn
And parents are one of the biggest problems.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/crime/2012/08/22/ac-dnt-rowlands-chicago-ride-along.cnn
And parents are one of the biggest problems.
I support late term abortion !
From about 1200 Meters
338 Lapua 250 gr BTHP MATCH?
Scum Bags and off the Reservation Shooters are ALWAYS the ones the media get's a hard on about !
How rare is it that you see or hear about a RESPONSIBLE, WELL TRAINED GUN OWNER protecting themselves and their family from some Bat Shit Crazy Squirrel like this dumb ass wanna be?
For the anti-gunners here, the ones who believe only LEO's and Military should have guns,
have you ever been in a situation when and where some half baked twit goes off on a crowd or robs a Circle K or Subway Sandwich shop for $80.00 ?
It happens here on a daily basis.
A friend of my mother's was robbed by a puke with a knife 2 years ago while Christmas shopping. She gave up the keys, her purse and the packages and the brown stain still shanked her !
If you want to remain a victim in waiting, that's your call.
However,
I WILL NOT BE A VICTIM OF THESE TURDS.
I wonder if this dirt bag in the video is a legal resident of my country? I really doubt that he was carrying legally owned and registered weapons. I doubt he has been through NRA fire arm safety courses.
It is not the responsible and trained gun owner who make videos of themselves trying to be a thug. If he tried to drive through my neighborhood and down my street, it would be a scene from
Clear and Present Danger (3/9) Movie CLIP - Motorcade Ambush (1994)
without the RPG's
The first 8 houses on my street there are well over XXX weapons, all legally owned ! The owners are all NRA trained and or Military Trained. That's just 8 out of 33 occupied residences. I do not know what the other neighbors own.
So,
to balance this out, let's move to the 1st Amendment, I'm sure most here has an idea what that is?
Let's compare and contrast the 2 Amendments.
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1st Amendment, right?
Did anyone hammer Chappelle?
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George Lopez and rip off artist Carlos Menica, nobody dares to challenge them !
Well, Lopez got fired as the Host of The Bob Hope Classic a few years ago after a huge anti-whitey rant and Fantasy Springs Casino, the same weekend he was hosting the Bob Hope. Only 18 miles away from the Club House. I got thrown out because I challenged George on his bullshit, many people followed by attacking Lopez and a riot almost broke out.
So,
Back to the 1st and 2nd Amendments,
I guess the 1st only applies when a minority group is offended or a unknown Atheist Group want's to protest a High School Football game that say's a prayer before the game.
To these groups who get their Spice Girls Panties in a wad, go challenge NASCAR and how they begin their races with a prayer. You won't do it because NASCAR, aka the Redneck Mafia, will crush you, but it's easier to pick on a small high school football team.
The 2nd Amendment, read it, learn it, know it !
It is all of our rights to bear arms. It is not the States or Federal Government to put unreasonable restrictions on purchasing, owning and shooting a legally obtained firearm.
I don't need a WMD, pulling that card is such a weak argument. It's the same as asking, " Well I have the protection of the 1st Amendment, so why can't I go to Howard University or Florida A & M and bust out some Chris Rock, Michael Richards, why can't David Duke hold a rally there?
Uhh,
common sense.
Common sense dictates that I can't drive my truck around town with a Barrett mounted with a turret. The 2nd A say's I can own a Barrett, well not in Jerry Browns CA, but in more reasonable states, I can own a weapon system like this and shoot cinder blocks from great distances.
When crazy people go on a shooting spree, anti-gunners has spasmatic diarrhea and want to ban rubber bands and paper clips,
Hey, ANTI-GUNNERS !
Take your battle, and your crying towel to Inner City Chicago, Detroit and try to do some gun legislation there !
I will play the under 1.5 hours on how long you will retain all of your blood while you are on your crusade !
Why aren't you Ant-Gunners pissed off at the Barney Fife's of the NYPD who whacked 9 civilians !
These dumb asses couldn't shoot themselves in the ass if they were sitting on the gun !
But,
relax, Bo Soetoro and the UN is working on a solution that should appease you. :mj07:
I hope you will like the New America run by Foreign Troops who wear Blue Underwear on their head.
Please when replying start off with the usual insults: Paranoid, Conspiracy Nut, tin foil hat....
I miss these adjectives directed at me in anger :toast:
From about 1200 Meters
338 Lapua 250 gr BTHP MATCH?
Scum Bags and off the Reservation Shooters are ALWAYS the ones the media get's a hard on about !
How rare is it that you see or hear about a RESPONSIBLE, WELL TRAINED GUN OWNER protecting themselves and their family from some Bat Shit Crazy Squirrel like this dumb ass wanna be?
For the anti-gunners here, the ones who believe only LEO's and Military should have guns,
have you ever been in a situation when and where some half baked twit goes off on a crowd or robs a Circle K or Subway Sandwich shop for $80.00 ?
It happens here on a daily basis.
A friend of my mother's was robbed by a puke with a knife 2 years ago while Christmas shopping. She gave up the keys, her purse and the packages and the brown stain still shanked her !
If you want to remain a victim in waiting, that's your call.
However,
I WILL NOT BE A VICTIM OF THESE TURDS.
I wonder if this dirt bag in the video is a legal resident of my country? I really doubt that he was carrying legally owned and registered weapons. I doubt he has been through NRA fire arm safety courses.
It is not the responsible and trained gun owner who make videos of themselves trying to be a thug. If he tried to drive through my neighborhood and down my street, it would be a scene from
Clear and Present Danger (3/9) Movie CLIP - Motorcade Ambush (1994)
without the RPG's
The first 8 houses on my street there are well over XXX weapons, all legally owned ! The owners are all NRA trained and or Military Trained. That's just 8 out of 33 occupied residences. I do not know what the other neighbors own.
So,
to balance this out, let's move to the 1st Amendment, I'm sure most here has an idea what that is?
Let's compare and contrast the 2 Amendments.
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kNSwuSQS8a8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6pp6WC1Ocz4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
1st Amendment, right?
Did anyone hammer Chappelle?
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zw4Jh8DKchI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
George Lopez and rip off artist Carlos Menica, nobody dares to challenge them !
Well, Lopez got fired as the Host of The Bob Hope Classic a few years ago after a huge anti-whitey rant and Fantasy Springs Casino, the same weekend he was hosting the Bob Hope. Only 18 miles away from the Club House. I got thrown out because I challenged George on his bullshit, many people followed by attacking Lopez and a riot almost broke out.
So,
Back to the 1st and 2nd Amendments,
I guess the 1st only applies when a minority group is offended or a unknown Atheist Group want's to protest a High School Football game that say's a prayer before the game.
To these groups who get their Spice Girls Panties in a wad, go challenge NASCAR and how they begin their races with a prayer. You won't do it because NASCAR, aka the Redneck Mafia, will crush you, but it's easier to pick on a small high school football team.
The 2nd Amendment, read it, learn it, know it !
It is all of our rights to bear arms. It is not the States or Federal Government to put unreasonable restrictions on purchasing, owning and shooting a legally obtained firearm.
I don't need a WMD, pulling that card is such a weak argument. It's the same as asking, " Well I have the protection of the 1st Amendment, so why can't I go to Howard University or Florida A & M and bust out some Chris Rock, Michael Richards, why can't David Duke hold a rally there?
Uhh,
common sense.
Common sense dictates that I can't drive my truck around town with a Barrett mounted with a turret. The 2nd A say's I can own a Barrett, well not in Jerry Browns CA, but in more reasonable states, I can own a weapon system like this and shoot cinder blocks from great distances.
When crazy people go on a shooting spree, anti-gunners has spasmatic diarrhea and want to ban rubber bands and paper clips,
Hey, ANTI-GUNNERS !
Take your battle, and your crying towel to Inner City Chicago, Detroit and try to do some gun legislation there !
I will play the under 1.5 hours on how long you will retain all of your blood while you are on your crusade !
Why aren't you Ant-Gunners pissed off at the Barney Fife's of the NYPD who whacked 9 civilians !
These dumb asses couldn't shoot themselves in the ass if they were sitting on the gun !
But,
relax, Bo Soetoro and the UN is working on a solution that should appease you. :mj07:
I hope you will like the New America run by Foreign Troops who wear Blue Underwear on their head.
Please when replying start off with the usual insults: Paranoid, Conspiracy Nut, tin foil hat....
I miss these adjectives directed at me in anger :toast:
on considering other side...
What about adding one word... non gun advocates will never actually consider the other side of the issue, similar to most political issues where people think they are right.
Are not both summations equally correct :shrug:
Banning guns would only keep them out of hands of law abiding citizens,and zero effect on thugs.
The proof is in the pudding.
Chicagoland has some of strictest guns laws in country yet one of the homicial cesspools in our nation. Yet an another everyday occurrence this week...
UPDATE: 19 shot in Chicago night of mayhem...
Anyone want to venture a reason how this could occur..other than the obvious.
--and can we get a show of hands of who thinks this element would turn in their guns along with the law abiding citizens :SIB
