Democrats risk extremist image, party divisions on Iraq debate

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Friday, February 16, 2007

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Democrats face a host of risks as they move toward more substantive steps to tie President George W. Bush's hands with funding restrictions on the Iraq war.

Leaders are wary of allowing the more intense anti-war activists to define the party's image.

Simmering divisions within the ranks over how soon to move ? and how far to go ? could quickly diminish a tactical victory this week on a resolution criticizing Bush's conduct of the war.

"There are those in our caucus who would rather we not do anything, and there will be people who want to see us extricate ourselves overnight. We'll have to balance those interests," said Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, House Democrats' chief vote-counter. "We're not going to sit anybody out, but we will have to decide how to weigh those things."

Senior House Democrats will huddle next week during a congressional break to plot strategy on their next move, which will be seeking to restrict some of Bush's Iraq war spending by establishing high readiness and equipment targets for troops and requiring those targets be met first.

Rep. Jack Murtha of Pennsylvania, tasked by Democrats to direct the next step, says his approach "stops the surge, for all intents and purposes," and would "force a redeployment ? not by taking money away, by redirecting money."

Former Rep. Martin Frost, a Texas Democrat, said Democrats have made a "very clear point" this week by putting the House on record against Bush's troop buildup and now must be careful not to overplay their hand by seeking to cut off funding or limit deployments right away.

"They don't want to be a scapegoat for the Bush administration's failures," Frost said. "This is Bush's war, and there should be no confusion about who's war it is, and Democrats should not set themselves up to have that done to them."

Frost said he did not want to "prejudge" Murtha's effort to restrict funds, but cautioned that Democrats should not yield to intense pressure by outside anti-war groups for swift action to end the conflict.

Democratic leaders "will have to decide how to deal with the anti-war groups in the months ahead," Frost said.

Murtha's effort appears crafted to hamper Bush's strategy without opening Democrats to the charge that their party is abandoning troops in harm's way.

That could be a difficult argument to make, however, some analysts say, given that Bush and Republicans are determined to paint Democrats as eager to choke off funding.

"The first step was the easy one. The real puzzle is the next step," said William Galston, a former Clinton administration aide. "A straight up-or-down funding discussion is a loser for Democrats, and if they're smart, they will not allow the issue to be posed in that way."

Privately, some Republicans concede that Democrats have a chance to tie Bush's hands without paying a political price if they carefully handle an upcoming debate on the president's request for nearly $100 billion (?76.1 billion) in additional money for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Republicans would be hard-pressed to reject measures that shift funds or place conditions on spending, such as those envisioned by Murtha, they said.

"As long as (Democrats) can tamp down on the Kuciniches of the world and they are modest in what they try to do, they can hit it out of the park," said one former senior House Republican aide, referring to peacenik Rep. Dennis Kucinich, an Ohio Democrat.

Still, the small but vocal band of lawmakers led by Kucinich who are pushing for an immediate cutoff of war funding and withdrawal of troops could pose a problem. Democrats could suffer politically if the party is perceived by the public as being too quick to pull the plug on the mission.

A survey conducted Feb. 7-11 by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press shows that while a majority of Democrats support cutting off money for the troop increase, most independent voters and a majority of the general public do not.

The poll showed support for the war continuing to slip, and a growing sentiment for bringing troops home, but found that most believe the withdrawal should be gradual.

Democrats face risks at the other extreme, too. Many of their more moderate members are wary of doing anything that would affect troop funding. Republican officials say they are already planning to target vulnerable House Democrats who go back on campaign pledges not to cut war spending.

"It will either create major problems for them when they run again, or it will create major problems for their leadership when they're trying to hold their caucus together on" Murtha's proposal, said Jessica Boulanger, a spokeswoman for House Republicans' campaign committee.

Most Democrats say there are more opportunities than risks for their party in the Iraq debate, arguing that the public supports their push to change the course of the war and impose more accountability on Bush's handling of it.

"There are many more risks for Republicans," said Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, the head of his party's campaign committee. "On the whole, the Democratic party is doing what America wants."

Privately, however, some Democrats concede they will have to steer a careful course to avoid being demonized and divided on Iraq.

"There's tension between those who want to end the war immediately and cut off funding and those who aren't there," one senior House official said. As for Murtha's proposal to use benchmarks to control war spending, lawmakers are "getting there," the official said. "I'm not sure they're there yet."
 

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Dear raymond,

The Democrat strategy on Iraq is finally clear.

We've known all along that they want to cut and run before the job is done. But they've been afraid to confront President Bush directly. Today, Democrat Rep. John Murtha let slip what he and Nancy Pelosi really intend to do, and it is genuinely frightening.

They call it their 'slow-bleed' plan. Instead of supporting the troops in Iraq, or simply bringing them home, the Democrats intend to gradually make it harder and harder for them to do their jobs. They will introduce riders onto bills to prevent certain units from deploying. They will try to limit the President's constitutional power to determine the length and number of deployments. They will attempt to keep the Pentagon from replacing troops who rotate out of Iraq. They may even try to limit how our troops operate by, for example, prohibiting our armed forces from creating and operating bases in Iraq.

'Slow-bleed' is exactly the right name for this incredibly irresponsible and dangerous strategy. Cutting and running is bad enough. But the Murtha-Pelosi 'slow-bleed' plan is far worse. It is a cynical and dangerous erosion of our ability to fight the terrorists while we still have men and women on the ground in Iraq. It will put their lives in far greater danger, as resources slowly dry up. How can our troops operate without bases? How can they fight without backup?

'Slow-bleed' cannot become law. Luckily, we have an opportunity to stop it. The Murtha plan depended on stealth. Now, however, the press has broken the story. And now we can act.

Click Here to read the full story on the Democrats' secret plan.

Write a letter to your editor today. Spread the word that we cannot abandon our men and women in Iraq. Because that is exactly what would happen if the 'slow-bleed' plan becomes a reality.

Our armed forces are the best in the world. They are serving with tremendous honor and bravery in Iraq. We cannot gradually abandon them. We cannot allow the Murtha-Pelosi 'slow-bleed' plan to happen. So please, take action today.

Sincerely,





Mike Duncan
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ray...

to be fair to the dems,the u.s. is in this mess because of poor planning by this administration....but
as i stated before i really think it will be a very bad move for this country to pull the troops out of iraq now.
 

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ray...

to be fair to the dems,the u.s. is in this mess because of poor planning by this administration....but
as i stated before i really think it will be a very bad move for this country to pull the troops out of iraq now.

to be fair to the dems, how many solutions have the democrats given?

and why havent they tried at least coming up with a solution other than constant tired criticism?

seems like most were on board when we went in there initially -- they would rather play politics with the military though

that is an abomination
 

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to be fair to the dems, how many solutions have the democrats given?

and why havent they tried at least coming up with a solution other than constant tired criticism?

seems like most were on board when we went in there initially -- they would rather play politics with the military though

that is an abomination

The only one playing politics with the military is Bush and Co. Bush lied us into the war. He lied to us about how well it was going and he continues to lie about it today.
The Dems have offered many solutions to get us out of Bush's mess. Just cause you don't like them doesn't mean they don't exist.
In case you hadn't heard "Stay the course" didn't work.
 

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The Dems have offered many solutions to get us out of Bush's mess. Just cause you don't like them doesn't mean they don't exist.

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Stevie

Name a few. I havn't read any other solutions from the dems ?
 

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Name a few. I havn't read any other solutions from the dems ?

Scott, most have been dismissed as Cut in Run by the same people who have been wrong about every step of this invasion. They were wrong about the WMD. Wrong about the amount of troops needed. Wrong about not securing the boarder Wrong about the number of insurgents. Wrong about the cost. Wrong about the length. And wrong about just everything anyone could of though of.

There are many plans that call for the orderly withdrawel of American Troops.

If we pulled out of Vietnam when our leaders and first realized that we could not win there then we would have saved about 1/2 the lives lost.

You tell me, why should we fight a war on the enemies terms?
 

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DO YOU LOVE KOSAR:mj07:
 

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DO YOU LOVE YOUR LIFE
DO YOU LOVE YOUR WIFE
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DO YOU LOVE KOSAR:mj07:


DO YOU LOVE YOUR LIFE Yes
DO YOU LOVE YOUR WIFE Yes
DO YOU LOVE YOUR KIDS Yes
DO YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY Yes
DO YOU LOVE KOSAR: He is okay and apparently does very well with the ladies in Vegas. :SIB
 

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DO YOU LOVE YOUR LIFE Yes
DO YOU LOVE YOUR WIFE Yes
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DO YOU LOVE KOSAR: He is okay and apparently does very well with the ladies in Vegas. :SIB

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Forget Iraq. What Kosar do in Vegas lets here it all. What's this he was doing what with some show girl. I hope not on stage. My kind of man. Go Kosar.:00hour
 

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Dems risk being extremist. That would place them with the 61% of Americans that will be with them.
Now get extreme. Make sure before anymore go to Iraq they have proper equipment. And do not send anyone back with out at least updated training for civil war type duty. And give them all at least 10 months state side duty.
By the way were about to send 3100 troops back to Afghanistan. Why? We all no why.
 

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Stevie

Name a few. I havn't read any other solutions from the dems ?

Scotty, you havent heard any because this is the blowhard republicans signature line. What they do and by now everyone with an IQ higher than a marble should know is repeat and repeat and repeat the same old tired lies and dimwits start to believe them. Scotty, did you hear of Bidens plan? How about redeployment like Murtha said? Just because the republicans keep saying the Dems have no plan doesn't mean they don't. Once in life you have to stand up and go look for yourself and not be told something that isn't true and believe it. U see they lie like this because they have nitwits around the world who believe it and run with it. Some even post here. They don't know better. They just take what they are feed, skip the research, and just blab it around. I do know this Scotty, all my life when i created a mess i fixed the mess myself and didn't cry to others to fix it for me. Isn't it strange how republicans keep asking for the Democrats plan? Shouldn't since they got us into this brutal mess to begin with, try to figure a way out themselves? That is what real men do not play a political game and using the troops as a shield to their rotten little games. The dems want each and every dollar accounted for from here on out. Bush wants a blank check so he and his buddies can keep on stealing. Since for six years the dirtbag congress did nothing about this stealing they want to keep stealing. No amount of money is enough for these thieves. So in essence to keep stealing the dirtbag republicans will use the troops as a way to say the dems are cutting funding. The dems want to see where the money is going and Bush and his devil partner want a blank check again so the Haliburtons of the world keep on getting wealthier.
 

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Dems risk being extremist. That would place them with the 61% of Americans that will be with them.
Now get extreme. Make sure before anymore go to Iraq they have proper equipment. And do not send anyone back with out at least updated training for civil war type duty. And give them all at least 10 months state side duty.
By the way were about to send 3100 troops back to Afghanistan. Why? We all no why.

the truth about equipment bill clinton down size
our miltary and its is showing now

agree or disagree

its the truth:moon:

we need to start upsize our miltary again

i mean now:bigun:



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