Detroit still has to be happy........

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It took 40 points from Wade.......
8 turnovers for Chauncey Billups (the point guard) are you kidding?????

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5 ft misses by Billups and Rip and Miami still barely hangs on to win............not to mention the block on the 3 point shot by Wade on Billups probably is called a foul at Detroit.

If I was Larry Brown and the rest of the Pistons I would have to like my chances to still win this series............
 

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Oh, they have a good chance to win. Smart money has to be happy that they lost this game since it'll make it a solid Pistons series line.
 

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pistons might be, but I'm sure not ... game hurt me badly, had 7/1 ML parlay from spurs and deet +4.5 and deet +180 ... oh well
 

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i had miami on money line in a few parlays that won but i had pistons and the points which lost. those missed free throws hurt. i think miami wins one in detroit and we are in for a 7 game slugfest.
 

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Shaq's health is the big variable. He didn't look that great last night, but could be getting better. Three days off will help.

Another interesting aspect is Alonzo Mourning. Down the stretch, they played with Zo and Shaq and it seemed to work well. Mourning is still very good on D and could be more of a force on O with rebounds and put-backs.

Detroit's still the Champs, but they can be very iffy on Offense. ...On the other hand, I don't see Wade getting forty in Detroit. If Shaq can get 30-35 pts in a game, it puts a whole new spin on this series.
 

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i agree with you maverick. that game could have gone either way. all that loss did for detroit was make them more determined to win the next 2 at home and finish this thing in 5 back in miami. shaq wont be able to play 7 games in this series. he'll quit after 5 or 6, if it even goes that far.
 

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I agree and disagree with you maverick, a lot of three pointes, the number is just ridiculous, that block of Wade at the end was just justice, was sick to see how they came back with the three pointer, Miami really dominates the game and if Billups has all the TO is because of defense
 

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Detroit was tied 1-1 heading to Indiana and lost.

Detroit was down 2 games 1 against Indiana with crucial game 4 being @Inidana and won it.

Detroit was tied 2-2 heading to Detroit for crucial game 5 and won it.

Detroit now is tied 1-1 with Miami heading to Detroit for games 3 and 4.

Miami swept Nets and Wizards.

Detroit won the NBA championship last year and overcame/esperienced adversity in playoffs.

I think Detroit has HUGE advantage over Miami in all phases and Miami likely will fold in Detroit. Especially since they struggled so badly to beat Detroit @Miami when Pistons clearly had off night until 2h. Maverick2112 pointed that out and I agree with him.
 

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Detroit is clearly the better team with their playoff experience and defense.

Miami has good individual athletes but as a team they are not as good as Pistons. That does not mean this series will be easy though.
 

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iagree with you guys on your posts. this series wont be easy but you HAVE to think detroit is the better team in this series and should win it. experience and defense can beat offense anyday of the week. and thats what detroit has. end of story
 

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Detroit has the best starting five in the NBA. McDyess has been huge off the bench. L Hunter may be the worst NBA player in the league (I don?t care how good of a defensive pressure player he is...)

Miami has TWO great players... E. Jones is slightly better than average. Detroit is just so LONG - T. Prince plays his role perfect on defense with those long arms. He knows when Wade takes him off the dribble the Wallace brothers are waiting for him. They just communicate so well on the defensive side.

If Miami was smart they will continue to let Wade get the ball at the top of the perimeter were it's harder for the double team to come. I just think Detroit will be too much for them at home. Wade has established himself as a top five player in the NBA - When he starts knocking down the 18-20 foot shot - WATCH out. He is so explosive... Shaq is about 60% of the player he use to be. It happens to the best of them.

I will be throwing 10x on the Pistons next game!!!!
 

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I agree the Pistons are the better team, and should win this series, but I do think they lack a killer instinct this year that they seemed to have last year during the championship run. They lost game 3 in both of the previous series, with the Indiana game 3 being the more suprising of the two. I feel they've done a great job of fighting when their back is agains the wall (played a solid 2nd half last game just came up a bit short) but have not shown to be yet that they are going to throw the knockout punch early when they have someone down. This is another series they should get away with it, even if Miami gets one of the next two, but against the Spurs they can't miss their shot to knock SA out, because they won't get more than one.

I still think there is a lot of life left in this series, Miami will get another game, but come up short. As for the finals I'm very excited because I think that will be a hell of a series.
 

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Idiana gave Detroit a much harder time than I ever imagined - especially with an injured Jermaine O'Neal and no Ron Artest. I was surprised how ineffective the Pistons could be on Offense during the series.

IF Shaq can supply firepower early and D.Wade late, Miami has a formula that has proved to be effective. Plus, there is the Mourning factor. ...Again, it comes down to what Shaq can provide. If he is getting better rather than worse, health-wise, than this could be a series. Mourning cannot replace Shaq, but he could be a very nice complement.

When everything is clicking, Detroit can look like butter, but more often than not they are not a smooth-running offensive unit. Agreed, they have the better starting unit. McDyess hasn't shown me much, yet.

Does it change anybody's thinking if Miami gets a split in Detroit? That would make it 2-2 going into Miami.
 

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thats a tough question right now coug lj. the pistons have already proven they can beat miami IN miami in the playoffs, the heat havent had the chance yet to play in detroit so they havent proven anything on the road against this team. (i) we can answer that question a little better after these next 2 games are played. if however, miami looks really good in detroit and wins one and is CLOSE in the other, this series will probably go 7 games and the 7th game will be in miami and be a good one. i still dont think the heat have ashot in this series whether they are home or away. time will tell after sundays and tuesdays games.
 

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Agreed, Jalen. It is hard to know the outcome of the series until we see how Miami and Shaq fare in Detroit. My feeling is that Miami has a much better mind-set than the Lakers of last season. If anything, I think the Lakers may have been overconfident. Miami seems much more grounded.

The Heat had an opportunity to adjust to a diminished Shaq, though I still believe he will have to be a force for Miami to win. Miami weathered Detroit's comeback bid in game #2 and this should serve them well. I certainly think they can steal one of the next two games, but as you say, time will tell.
 

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Blackman said:
I agree the Pistons are the better team, and should win this series, but I do think they lack a killer instinct this year that they seemed to have last year during the championship run.

Not sure I agree with you. This is what Pistons did last year when they won championship.

Round 1 against Bucks Pistons lost game 2 at home after being up 1-0. Ended up winning series in 5 games. Killer instinct?

Round 2 against Nets, Pistons got blown out in game 3 and game 4 @NJ after winnings games 1 and 2 @Detroit. Pistons followed that up by losing at home in game 5 when series tied 2-2. Pistons won next 2 games to win series in 7 games. Killer instinct?

Round 3 against Pacers, Pistons lost game 1 on road but went on to win games 2 and 3. Game 4, up 2 games 1 @home, Pistons lost to Pacers. Pistons went on to win games 5 and 6 to win series. Killer instinct?

Finals Pistons pretty much played better than Lakers in all 5 games with only 1 game being close (which they lost). Pistons won in 5 games.

There is NO evidence of any killer instinct from the Pistons last year except in the finals. They won the finals and are currently tied 1-1 against Miami heading to Detroit!

I feel they've done a great job of fighting when their back is agains the wall (played a solid 2nd half last game just came up a bit short) but have not shown to be yet that they are going to throw the knockout punch early when they have someone down.

They did this last year as well.
 

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Scott you are right, you're always right. Thanks for clearing that up for all of us.

No, not always. I don't understand why you feel the Pistons had a killer instinct with last years team vs this years team. Didn't make much sense after looking at how the Pistons played last year. Lack of killer instinct shown was a reason you felt Pistons "might" not win this series.

Coug LJ

It is hard to know the outcome of the series until we see how Miami and Shaq fare in Detroit. My feeling is that Miami has a much better mind-set than the Lakers of last season. If anything, I think the Lakers may have been overconfident. Miami seems much more grounded.

I agree we have to see how Miami plays in Detroit. Playing and beating Wizards and Nets on road isn't even close to playing and beating Detroit on road. We saw Pistons didn't have much trouble beating and competing with Miami on road.

I disagree with you about your Laker comment. Lakers did not have role players. Laker role players repeatedly would miss wide open shots. :rolleyes:
In addition to that, Lakers 3rd best option and consistent option was Karl Malone. He was playing severly injured against Detroit and even sat out a game. Kobe was hurt as well. Pistons beat an injured Laker squad with no role players. Shaq and Kobe, thats it. Not to mention a slow/aging PG (Payton) who let Billups run all over him.

Put Eddie Jones and Damon Jones on Lakers squad and Lakers beat Pistons in 6 games or less.

Heat have role players and they are athletic. Eddie Jones played big in game 1 and Damon Jones played big in game 2. Christian Laightner* was 2-2 FG's and that was huge. Maybe the difference along with Pistons 2 great foul shooters missing so many free throws.

Idiana gave Detroit a much harder time than I ever imagined - especially with an injured Jermaine O'Neal and no Ron Artest. I was surprised how ineffective the Pistons could be on Offense during the series.

I was surprised as well but I think Detroit lost some focus. Just like Spurs against Sonics. Much easier to keep your focus playing in conf. finals against respect opponent. Also playing games 3 and 4 at home.

IF Shaq can supply firepower early and D.Wade late, Miami has a formula that has proved to be effective. Plus, there is the Mourning factor. ...Again, it comes down to what Shaq can provide. If he is getting better rather than worse, health-wise, than this could be a series. Mourning cannot replace Shaq, but he could be a very nice complement.

I think Miami's formula is to get role players stepping up. Having Shaq and Wade on your team you will give your role players open shots. Damon Jones played great in game 2, Wade had monster game in game 2, and Shaq played average. Miami won! I think it all depends on Miami's role players. Detroits defense can slow down a superstar but having Shaq and Wade on same team, you will get your role players open shots. Big games from Shaq and Wade alone will not win for Miami especially on road. Its always about the role players. They will keep you in games or lose games for you. Star players just need to step up late! Suns can't beat Spurs despite Nash and Amare dominating.


Does it change anybody's thinking if Miami gets a split in Detroit? That would make it 2-2 going into Miami.

YES! Right now I heavily favor Detroit and I think they win both games 3 & 4. If Miami gets split, then I think series goes 50/50. Like Jalen45 said, Detroit won on road against Miami, and competed in game 2 against Miami despite having off night.

Playing and beating Wizards and Nets on road is nowhere near playing and beating Pistons on road. Miami should struggle especially since they had such a tough time beating Detroit at home. I was surprised to see Detroit hang in game 2 despite playing poorly for 1h and huge games by Wade and Jones.
 

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Scott4USC said:
No, not always. I don't understand why you feel the Pistons had a killer instinct with last years team vs this years team. Didn't make much sense after looking at how the Pistons played last year. Lack of killer instinct shown was a reason you felt Pistons "might" not win this series.

Never said I don't think they'll win this series, but I still don't think they put teams away like they did last year, or have displayed that they are a big time championship team just yet this season. The immortal teams would have put the Heat away in game two after they came back from a double digit deficit. Maybe it's not an instict issue, but a matter of them being sloppy. (I realize they can get big stops when needed but they often can't get a big hoop either, or Sheed will take a god awful three attempt with about 18 still on the shot clock) My point is that they probably won't get more than one chance to put the Spurs away, and if they don't seize that moment they won't get another crack at it.
 
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