the series is a good one at this point. the pistons do go through droughts that are hard to explain for me at times. this miami team plays hard and they are doing with less talented guys. wade is a freak and i love his overall game, but who else does miaimi really have? shaq can dominate at times because he is still a 7' 3oo+ giant with some quickness, but he is obviously worn down. i do not feel he will "give up" he may not be able to contribute like he would like to. also, the constant comparisions between the heat and the lakers of last year are bogus. imo. that laker crew quit after they lost game 2 and got blown out in the 4th 3-4 games in a row. the heat play much harder than last year's lakers and there is no kobe distraction either. eddie jones is a consistet player, but is no spring chicken either. i feel detroit has better players overall and they should win, but i do not think the miami team will quit at any point. shame for zo, he has come back from so much. his heart is there, but he is not really a threat on offense at all.
Detroit still has to be happy........
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ELVIS said:
the blinded pistons fan said shaq is just gonna quit. agree with you on most of your points. shaq will play hurt and give it his all. yeah he might loaf in the regular season, but he's got heart come playoffs. he does try and will have to be really hurt to not go.
also agree that lakers quit in finals last year. team was in absolute shambles and no one was speaking to each other. they lost game 1 though, and barely won game 2, not lost game 2 if i remember correctly.
not sure why anyone thinks detroit has better players. if you were to draft a team and had only the rosters of the pistons and heat to choose from, shaq and wade would go 1 and 2, then bilups, wallace, hamilton and prince in no particular order. so are 2 great players better than 4 really good players. time will tell
not sure why people think eddie jones can't play anymore. he's always been a phenomenal athelete and he can defend.
im obviously in the minority thinking heat will win the series, but detroit doesn't have the offense to win this series imo.
if they do get by miami, i find it very difficult to believe they can beat S.A. my guess would be S.A -250 or higher for the series in which i will be very happy to lay good coin on SA
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"the blinded pistons fan said shaq is going to quit"
he is! he will play but he is not going to be the shaq of the regular season. not against this defense. he has taken ben wallace so far but i think when this series gets into games 4, 5, 6, i think the intensity and the physical ness picks up shaq wont be able to hang. miami needs to rely on wade and only wade. if they rely think shaq can win this series for them by himself, its going to be a long ride back to miami.
you honestly dont think that detroit san antonio will be a good series? you sound like the spurs will win in 4 or 5 games. i dont think so. both very good defenses, i think the finals will be very very fun to watch. we didnt expect detroit to beat the lakers in 5 did we? i dont care who you are, no one thought that. i really think detroit spurs final would be 7 games, without a doubt. no?
he is! he will play but he is not going to be the shaq of the regular season. not against this defense. he has taken ben wallace so far but i think when this series gets into games 4, 5, 6, i think the intensity and the physical ness picks up shaq wont be able to hang. miami needs to rely on wade and only wade. if they rely think shaq can win this series for them by himself, its going to be a long ride back to miami.
you honestly dont think that detroit san antonio will be a good series? you sound like the spurs will win in 4 or 5 games. i dont think so. both very good defenses, i think the finals will be very very fun to watch. we didnt expect detroit to beat the lakers in 5 did we? i dont care who you are, no one thought that. i really think detroit spurs final would be 7 games, without a doubt. no?
Jalen45 said:
Jalen, I will give you one thing, you are truly a fan. And not in a bad way, you really like your team. So I say all this with a grain of salt. We obviously have different opinions on this series. I still think that Miami has to much O to beat Detroit, and yes I'm aware they have the best defense in the league. But thats just my opinion and the next week will prove me right or wrong.
As for shaq quitting, not a chance. you might not like the guy and I'll admit I'm not a huge fan, he will play hurt. He will play til the final buzzer in this series regardless if he's at 10 percent. But you are correct that he will not perform necessarily like he did in the season.
And no, if Detroit does get by Miami, which i don't believe will happen, i think they get beat pretty handily. 6 games max imo, with 5 being the more likely scenario. Again, just my opinion. But it's no different than you saying Detroit will win in 5 games against Miami. You are also correct I didn't think Detroit would beat LA last year, but the important thing is that it didn't surprise me. If I say the Lakers team was in turmoil last year, its the truth, but it sounds like I'm taking away credit from Detroit, when I'm not. Thye played better and deserved to win. But both this Miami team and SA are better than the squabbling Lakers of last year.
I also differ that the finals will be fun to watch as I don't really think any NBA is fun to watch. I think the league is crooked (not necessarily in the playoffs), and not a team league. The infiltration of 18 year olds and foreign unknowns has hurt many teams in the league. Look only to your own Pistons who absolutely hurt their future by passing on Wade and Anthony two years ago and drafted a foreign phenom who will never make it in the NBA. I know he's young, but he really has zero future in the league. At least not like those they passed on.
Anyway, wishing your team luck as i have a very substantial wager on the heat in the series would prove fruitless. I respect that you are a fan of your team, and will leave it at that. As for Shaq quitting though, it won't happen. He might get hurt and be physically unable to perform. And regardless of how much i like or dislike him to say he will quit is not his character. he might be a boob, but he plays with heart in the playoffs.
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Detroit appears to be a lot healthier than the Heat. I read a story on Miami that implied that Shaq is still very limited by injuries and Haslam and Damon Jones are hurting as well. I'm sure Detroit has players banged up, but you don't hear much about it. I heard Hamilton is less than 100%.
If Shaq can make adjustments to his game and still be effective, that is a big plus. Even without jumping, Shaq takes up a lot of space. At times, Mourning has looked very effective. If he plays good defense, rebounds and gets put-backs, that will be plenty.
I agree that Eddie Jones still has plenty left in the tank. He has looked very good in this series. And, then there is D. Wade.
People talk about the Pistons not playing that well in this series - I actually think they have looked quite a bit better than they looked in the last series, especially on the offensive end.
I look for the Heat to be playing Shaq and Zo together more and that should limit Detroit's layups and inside scoring. Maybe, the Pistons will go small and try to run the Heat off the floor.
In the end, it will still come down to what Shaq can bring to the table. If he can supply points down low and free up outside shooters, that should allow Miami to be in every game. And in the fourth quarter of a close game there are a lot worse players to have on your side than D. Wade.
If Shaq can make adjustments to his game and still be effective, that is a big plus. Even without jumping, Shaq takes up a lot of space. At times, Mourning has looked very effective. If he plays good defense, rebounds and gets put-backs, that will be plenty.
I agree that Eddie Jones still has plenty left in the tank. He has looked very good in this series. And, then there is D. Wade.
People talk about the Pistons not playing that well in this series - I actually think they have looked quite a bit better than they looked in the last series, especially on the offensive end.
I look for the Heat to be playing Shaq and Zo together more and that should limit Detroit's layups and inside scoring. Maybe, the Pistons will go small and try to run the Heat off the floor.
In the end, it will still come down to what Shaq can bring to the table. If he can supply points down low and free up outside shooters, that should allow Miami to be in every game. And in the fourth quarter of a close game there are a lot worse players to have on your side than D. Wade.
thanks, dodger, i do feel eddie jones can still play - just saying he is older and is not as good as he used to be. however, after this series i may have to take that back.really like wade a lot. got to see him play against memphis 2 times a year.....i knew he would be good. i watched him block a layup on def then get the layup on the other end within 8 sec or less. really like his personality at this point as well.
2-1 heat for now, but i think detroit is deeper and miami has less room for error in the series due to shaq's health. agree on spurs as well. they are so tough. they never recovered from the fisher catch and shoot in .4 sec last year. they are on a roll right now, and they look great. however, the heat and the pistons can challenge in the paint. the spurs have had a cake walk because they are very good, but they benefit from the weak a$$ west def. no one has made duncan work for anything at this point. he is damn good - my personal favorite as big men go. however, the spurs will be tested better in the finals. having said that, no team has looked as consistent as they do at this point. they play very good def, they push the fast break, they are deep, and they play under control.
2-1 heat for now, but i think detroit is deeper and miami has less room for error in the series due to shaq's health. agree on spurs as well. they are so tough. they never recovered from the fisher catch and shoot in .4 sec last year. they are on a roll right now, and they look great. however, the heat and the pistons can challenge in the paint. the spurs have had a cake walk because they are very good, but they benefit from the weak a$$ west def. no one has made duncan work for anything at this point. he is damn good - my personal favorite as big men go. however, the spurs will be tested better in the finals. having said that, no team has looked as consistent as they do at this point. they play very good def, they push the fast break, they are deep, and they play under control.
yanno, with my phx 30/1 in flames and deet 2/1 to win east, Im the last guy who should be posting .... But great caesar's ghost (as perry white used to shout at clark kent) is there anyway deet could find a 3rd guard who can actually play both ends? .... for the love of mercy, someone program the Microwave!
scott still not impressed with miami?
that's 10-1 in the playoffs now...5-0 on the road......i'll wait for your long winded response justifying your bet and your opinion....these teams are fairly even and i thought a slight advantage went to the heat with home court and wade-shaq..
that's 10-1 in the playoffs now...5-0 on the road......i'll wait for your long winded response justifying your bet and your opinion....these teams are fairly even and i thought a slight advantage went to the heat with home court and wade-shaq..
Well, Shaq looks to be getting better and that is bad news for the Pistons. The Heat are a team that can score 100 pts and if that happens, Detroit is in trouble. The Piston Offense is largely from the perimeter and has little inside/post-up scoring. They will be hard-pressed to match the Heat for easy baskets.
All great teams have a swagger and the Pistons have taken a serious blow the last two games. We will see if they can recover. Winning game #1 may have given them a false belief that they could handle the Heat more easily than has proved to be the case. You could see from the meltdown that they couldn't handle what was happening.
You can't double Shaq AND D.Wade. No one player on the Pistons can guard Shaq. And despite the billing, Prince does not seem able to contain Wade. The Pistons press was effective, but I would think the Heat will be able to make adjustments.
The Heat will be looking to win game #4 and they will have a chance. Detroit does not have the firepower to pull away and if it is a close game, I like the Heat's chances in the 4th quarter.
All great teams have a swagger and the Pistons have taken a serious blow the last two games. We will see if they can recover. Winning game #1 may have given them a false belief that they could handle the Heat more easily than has proved to be the case. You could see from the meltdown that they couldn't handle what was happening.
You can't double Shaq AND D.Wade. No one player on the Pistons can guard Shaq. And despite the billing, Prince does not seem able to contain Wade. The Pistons press was effective, but I would think the Heat will be able to make adjustments.
The Heat will be looking to win game #4 and they will have a chance. Detroit does not have the firepower to pull away and if it is a close game, I like the Heat's chances in the 4th quarter.
As much as I can't believe I'm saying this, Hunter has to be on the floor more. Wade scored 36 points in 31 minutes and 0 in the 7 minutes Hunter was on him. Of course this is a catch 22, since Hunter is brutal on offense.
Agree with Coug LG, Prince has been disappointing, and maybe Wade just is that good.
Agree with Coug LG, Prince has been disappointing, and maybe Wade just is that good.
gjn23 said:
I am more impressed with Wade and Shaq than Miami. Wade and Shaq are shooting great % but can they do it all series? Despite Wade and Shaq playing well they still have trouble beating Detroit. IMO Pistons are not playing very well. At least Pistons are playing below there average.
I thought Detroit would beat Miami in 5 or 6 games (not thinking Shaq would play this well). Never thought sweep. Detroit IMO would sweep Miami if they played normal detroit basketball. Games 2 and 3 missing so many free throws and I am talking about GOOD FREE THROW SHOOTERS! Detroit not playing with intensity. Detroit making careless turnovers and not converting on 2-1 3-1 fast breaks. Wade and Shaq are clearly playing better than expected and Detroit (as a team) is playing worse than expected. Yet Detroit is only down 2-1 and very easily could be 3-0! All 3 games have been close.
What happens to Miami if Shaq and Wade don't continue to overachieve? Or what happens if Detroit plays normal Detroit basketball? Even if Shaq and Wade play well, Detroit can still beat Miami with just good basketball. They don't have to play great to beat Miami. Games 2 and 3 have proven that. Detroit just needs to play solid and hit their "averages" for all 4 quarters. A good example is 90% free throw shooters can't "each" be missing multiple free throws. Making free throws have NOTHING to do with the opposing team. Free throws alone prob. (not saying for sure) would have Detroit up 3-0 in this series. Not even talking about other areas where Detroit has played poorly as a team. Not even talking about Miami.
All in all, I be more impressed with Miami if they would beat Detroit soundly when Miami is playing good basketball and Detroit not playing good basketball. If Miami is the reason for Detroit not playing well, why can't Miami put away this team? @Miami or @Detroit makes no difference. Look at the Spurs against Suns. Spurs are up 3 games to 1 and Suns are playing very good basketball and Spurs (and refs to a certain degree) cost themselves from sweeping the Suns. Miami is up 2 games 1 against Detroit with Miami playing very good basketball (games 2 and 3) and Pistons playiing poorly yet both games 2 and 3 have been TIGHT! I don't think that is impressive, I call it being fortunate!
FYI, Indiana was also up 2-1 against Detroit with game 4 being @Indiana not @Detroit.
you are freaking hilarious
shaq and wade overacheiving...these are two of the best 10 players in the WORLD right now.
suns playing very good basketball?.....they have totallly deviated away from what they did for 90 games...RUN WITH RECKLESSNESS...they finally got back to that in game 4 and won.
miami is fortunate and your not impressed?.....they have led for about 80 of the last 96 minutes of basketball in the past two games.....after det finally went on a run in game 3 to take a 6-7 point lead in the 4q (most teams do at home)..didn't miami sack up and go back up by DD....what more do you want?
det would sweep if they played their average game?.... now you've got to be kidding.....everybody healthy, everybody playing good basketball these teams are fairly even...i'll take the team with two superstars...shaq and wade....over the other collection of role players every day of the week.
by no means am i confident that miami will win.....but you seem to have a lack of understanding of basketball (or sports) if everytime you are on the losing end of a wager, the team you wagered against on HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OUTCOME.
shaq and wade overacheiving...these are two of the best 10 players in the WORLD right now.
suns playing very good basketball?.....they have totallly deviated away from what they did for 90 games...RUN WITH RECKLESSNESS...they finally got back to that in game 4 and won.
miami is fortunate and your not impressed?.....they have led for about 80 of the last 96 minutes of basketball in the past two games.....after det finally went on a run in game 3 to take a 6-7 point lead in the 4q (most teams do at home)..didn't miami sack up and go back up by DD....what more do you want?
det would sweep if they played their average game?.... now you've got to be kidding.....everybody healthy, everybody playing good basketball these teams are fairly even...i'll take the team with two superstars...shaq and wade....over the other collection of role players every day of the week.
by no means am i confident that miami will win.....but you seem to have a lack of understanding of basketball (or sports) if everytime you are on the losing end of a wager, the team you wagered against on HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OUTCOME.
gjn23 said:
Ask anybody and they will say both Wade and Shaq are playing better than what you would expect. They are great players and great players can play VERY WELL and play very well on consistent basis. But both players over overachieving. That is quite clear. They can do it all series or do it half the series. I am not talking about bad, below average, average, good and above average. Both players are playing above average. (factoring shaq not 100%)
#1 you can't run on Spurs. Spurs proved that against Nuggets. Spurs are prob. the best defensive team in NBA (at least top 3) and Suns are still shooting great %. Suns are playing very good basketball but are down 3-1 because Spurs are better team who is also playing very good basketball.
Miami is playing very good (they got very good production from role players in games 2 and 3) and great production from Shaq and especially Wade. Detroit is playing below average. Miami is struggled to beat Detroit in game 2 @Miami and game 3 @Detroit. I AM NOT IMPRESSED!
Detroit would have won game 2 if 90% free throw shooters made their average. Detroit might have won game 3 if they shot there average on free throws. Free throws have nothing to do with opposing team. We are only talking about free throws, not about about the other areas Detroit is not playing well. So please tell me why I should be impressed with Miami? Thats great Miami is up 2-1 but doesn't mean I have to be impressed.
In general, I think most would agree Detroit as a team are not playing well and Miami as a team are playing well. Some of those areas have NOTHING to do with Miami. 2nd, Miami is playing better, why do they have such a hard time beating Detroit when Detroit clearly is playing below average.
For starters using the word everytime is incorrect. 2nd, I am usually pointing out FACTS to support my opinion.
Spurs vs Suns you basically have 2 teams playing well and close games. Detroit vs Miami you have 1 team playing well and other not. Yet games have been close. "Some" of the reasons Detroit is not playing well have NOTHING to do with Miami. So yes, I do think Detroit losing to Miami has a lot to do with Detroit. As you see, I gladly point that out. I also gave credit to Miami. Wade and Shaq playing well and the role players stepping up big time in games 2 and 3. The fact is, despite all that (and Detroit not playing well), Miami continues to struggle to beat Detroit. WHY?
That is not impressive to me. Miami should have blown out Detroit in game 2 @home and game 3 on road. They didn't.
All in all, I don't like Miami's chances if they continue to play close games with Detroit despite playing well and "hoping" Detroit plays below average in certain areas. If Detroit plays well and Miami continues to play well, Detroit easily beats Miami. I think most would agree based on game 2 and 3 outcomes.
Everything I said is a mute point if YOU think Detroit has played well in games 2 and 3. I certainly think they played below average and some facts support my opinion. Some credit goes to Miami but I think most goes to Detroit.
scott, in case you havent noticed in your maybe 6 years of following basketball, teams just don't routinely blow out others in HS, NCAA or NBA playoffs every time they lead by 7 or more points ...
Deet, as I suspected but still suckered for, hasn't played well in this series nor really in their very average foes they beat previously ... Ironically, everyone chided Heat for playing patsies, but I dont see AIs crew and Indy really being much better fodder, and Deet lost 3 of those games and struggled in several more ... I hope Deet wins; I have them too, but I am leaning the election to VG2
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ps and as far as FTs, Spurs might still be playing sonics had TD not made 99% or be down 3-1 or at best tied 2-2 in PHX series ... guys with no nuts to step up and bang some FTs deserve their fate... And that's not even calculating JJ1 factor into equation--you are very fortunate to be up 3-1, any comments straying from that fact are rose-colored goggles.
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how manay points does a team need to win by for you to be impressed or to give credit? Especially on the road...especially in the playoffs? From my perspective Miami dominated game three except for a 7-8 min stretch at the end of q3-start of q4.....so they led by only 2 or so at half and won by only 10 or so at the end of the game.....very rare are complete blowouts in the playoffs.
As for wade and shaq overacheving....im guessing that you must also think michael jordan was a very very good player but over-acheived in the playoffs?????? the truly GREAT players always step up and score more in the playoffs...that's what the playoffs are all about....to say that this diminished miami's accomplishments is a joke....10-1 in the playoffs is very impressive...so is 5-0 on the road....as for det playing below average....i'd say that their offense has no such thing as average...it is usually ugly...their defense isidefinitely not what it was perceived to be...that could be because miami is a superior offensive team with two unstoppable players AND the change in rules FORCING det to play a bit more honest defense....these two things have NOTHING to do with det playing below average.....this is their average defensive performance.....you stated earlier that SA role players would have a field day with the phx defense (they really haven't outside of horry and berry and just in game 1-3) but it's an anomoly that mia role players are having a great series vs det....WHY?
I think it's purely you seeing things from the perspective of your wager, nothing else.
In the end I'm willing to admit that sa-phx are closely matched and sa is probably a better team in the end because they match-up better with phx....and that mia-det is a closely matched series with mia having an advantage with two superstars....you maximize sa wins and mimimize mia wins....WHY?
and please stop presenting facts supporting your opinions....alot of your facts are opinions supporting opinions.
As for wade and shaq overacheving....im guessing that you must also think michael jordan was a very very good player but over-acheived in the playoffs?????? the truly GREAT players always step up and score more in the playoffs...that's what the playoffs are all about....to say that this diminished miami's accomplishments is a joke....10-1 in the playoffs is very impressive...so is 5-0 on the road....as for det playing below average....i'd say that their offense has no such thing as average...it is usually ugly...their defense isidefinitely not what it was perceived to be...that could be because miami is a superior offensive team with two unstoppable players AND the change in rules FORCING det to play a bit more honest defense....these two things have NOTHING to do with det playing below average.....this is their average defensive performance.....you stated earlier that SA role players would have a field day with the phx defense (they really haven't outside of horry and berry and just in game 1-3) but it's an anomoly that mia role players are having a great series vs det....WHY?
I think it's purely you seeing things from the perspective of your wager, nothing else.
In the end I'm willing to admit that sa-phx are closely matched and sa is probably a better team in the end because they match-up better with phx....and that mia-det is a closely matched series with mia having an advantage with two superstars....you maximize sa wins and mimimize mia wins....WHY?
and please stop presenting facts supporting your opinions....alot of your facts are opinions supporting opinions.
gjn23 said:
I agree with you. But here is the deal with me. Miami playing well, Pistons not, Wade/Shaq playing great, Miami barely beating Pistons. That does not impress me about Miami. Game 2 and game 3 Detroit despite playing poorly for most of game, could easily have won either game. That is why I am not impressed with Miami. I am not implying Miami is lucky but just fortunate that they are playing really well and Detroit is not. I wish this series was like Spurs/Suns where both teams are playing good basketball. Then lets see where chips fall. Now some stuff you can give credit to Miami for causing Detroit to not play well but there are couple areas where Detroit is playing poorly that has NOTHING to do with Miami. Those couple areas are the difference in Detroit being up 3-0 or min. 2-1 in this series. THAT IS WHY I AM NOT IMPRESSED WITH MIAMI! Now if Detroit was playing well and Miami playing well and Miami barely beating Detroit, I would be impressed with Heat.
Wade and Shaq are playing MUCH better than there average AND what most people (including me) expected. Thats great for Miami. Role players playing great in games 2 and 3 as well. Thats great. BUT WHY DOES MIAMI STRUGGLE TO BEAT DETROIT? ESPECIALLY WHEN DETROIT IS PLAYING BELOW AVERAGE IN CERTAIN AREAS!
I agree great players step up. Miami has players stepping up and Detroit has the opposite going on. But you would figure Miami would win more convincingly or at least not give Detroit ANY chance to win the ball game. Detroit easily could have won games 2 & 3. That is my argument. That is what earns MY respect and what would impress me. Miami is not winning convincingly despite great play by Miami and poor play by Detroit.
Good points and valid points. I said you have to give some credit to Miami. But "my" major point and example is free throws. Miami would be down 2-1 or 3-0 if Detroit hit just there averages on free throws. Free throws have nothing to do with opposing team. Should I be impressed with Miami because they are playing very good, Detroit playing poorly, yet there only winning because Detroit can't make free throws and can't play good basketball (partly due to Miami and partly due to themselves)? Miami should be winning more convincingly. Please lets not forget Alonzo made 4-4 free throws and Shaq made 6 or 7 straight down stretch. Lets not forget that. Not only did Detroit shoot BELOW average, Miami shot ABOVE average. We def. will not EVER see Shaq make 6 or 7 straight again down stretch. I like to base my opinion on averages. Detroit is not playing like Detroit and it is not all based on Miami causing that! All I am saying is I like to see Miami beat Detroit when Detroit is playing good. Then I will be impressed!
Maybe a little bit but what I am saying has at the very least "some" merit. It is not out of the question that I could be a little biased.
Simply put.......
Spurs playing relatively good basketball
Suns playing relatively good basketball
Miami playing relatively good basketball
Detroit playing relatively average/below average basketball.
Spurs/Suns you are seeing 2 teams playing well and obviously Spurs are the better team. But all games are close because both teams are playing well.
Detroit/Heat you have Heat playing well, Pistons playing below average, and games are very close.
Get it?
I also think Suns would beat Heat and Detroit. I have not been very impressed with Heat and Pistons. But I am somewhat impressed with how Detroit can hang with Heat despite playing poorly and Heat playing so well. That kind of shocks me as I would expect Heat to win convincingly (not necessarily blowout).
Why am I impressed with Spurs? Spurs beat Nuggets, Sonics, and hopefully Suns. All 3 playoff opponents were playing very good basketball and all 3 are dangerous.
Heat beat Nets, Wizards, and "maybe" Pistons. Pistons are by far the best team Heat faced and they are not playing well. I be VERY impressed if Heat beat Detroit with Detroit playing well. Free throws and lack of intensity are 2 biggest factors in seeing Detroit not playing well. Execution has been poorly too. Detroit has f***ed up on how many 2-1 3-1 fast breaks? Please don't give Miami too much credit for stopping that. Missing shots etc. you have to give credit to Miami regardless if it is Miami causing it.
BTW, Refs have been pretty slanted towards Miami. Whether you think it is a large slant or not, it def. is slanted towards Miami.
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The basis of the argument is that I am not really impressed with Miami based on games 1, 2 and 3.
I don't think Spurs are fortunate to be up 3-1. I do think Suns "could" have won at least 1 of the first 2 home games but they didn't. A lot of fortunate things happened for Suns to be in games with Spurs as well. Goes both ways. Both teams playing well and is good series. Just 1 team is better.
i've seen a TON of suns games this year...used to live in az so some rooting interest is still there...THEY ARE IN NO WAY PLAYING AS WELL IN THIS SERIES AS THEY DID ALL YEAR LONG...that is a fact you refuse to acknowledge.
As far as Det being up 3-0 or 2-1 if they make their FT...you act as if miami couldn't have done anything to overcome Det making 5-8 extra FT in a game...AND you fail to mention that Mia missed 16 ft themselves in game 3 to 15 for det...and in game 2 mia missed 6ft while det missed 8.....there are NO ADVANTAGES HERE and to say if det makes ft they win is completey WRONG and A ONE-SIDED VIEW...a VIEW that comes from your money only......it's hiarious because i guarantee that if you had miami to win the series you would be touting how miami has dominated and sould be up 3-0, etc, etc, etc....
As far as Det being up 3-0 or 2-1 if they make their FT...you act as if miami couldn't have done anything to overcome Det making 5-8 extra FT in a game...AND you fail to mention that Mia missed 16 ft themselves in game 3 to 15 for det...and in game 2 mia missed 6ft while det missed 8.....there are NO ADVANTAGES HERE and to say if det makes ft they win is completey WRONG and A ONE-SIDED VIEW...a VIEW that comes from your money only......it's hiarious because i guarantee that if you had miami to win the series you would be touting how miami has dominated and sould be up 3-0, etc, etc, etc....
gjn23 said:
Regular season and post season is different. I don't think you can compare how a team played in regular season and post season. Especially against a quality team like SA. Suns are playing good basketball and competed well against SA in all 4 games in this series. Spurs also are playing good basketball.
gjn23 said:
My argument is the players on the Pistons who are missing there free throws. Hamilton and Billups are like 90% free throw shooters. In game 2 they missed 5 free throws combined.
Shaq is suppose to make 50% and Ben Wallace is suppose to make 50%. Hamilton and Billups are supposed to make 85% or higher. That is why I said Detroit would have won game 2 if they made free throws. I do know it would have changed the game and both games were so tight it prob. would have tilted Detroits way in at least one of them. Therefore I said Detroit would be up 2-1 or "maybe" 3-0. Billups and Hamilton shot well in game 3. In game 4 Shaq makes 7 of his last 8 and Alonzo makes 4-4. That is OVERACHIEVING! But my whole post was about free throws in combination of below average play from Detroit against Heat. Larry Brown felt the same way about his team.
IMO free throws play huge role in games. Missing free throws, especially players you count on making them, really lets a team down. I strongly feel Pistons win game 2 if Billups and Hamilton shot there averages.
What is your take on the special treatment Wade gets from refs? Don't know if you have Tivo but if you check back after fouls called against Detroit on Wade, "some" are absurd. One play tonight Wade was not even TOUCHED out on permiter and foul was called. Another play Wade clearly ran into Ben Wallace who had position outside line and no foul. Its a joke and all the extra free pts the refs give Miami with Wade. Those freebie pts add up and plays a role in who wins the game.
Wade is a star but does he need this much help from Refs? Give me a break. Bad calls go both ways but a lot more bad calls going in Heats favor in this series. No doubt about it. If a player needs superstar treatment, then maybe at least have the defender "touch" him. :mj07:
I was surprised to see refs finally calling traveling on Shaq. That got unoticed in games 1, 2, and 3.
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i have no money on either team. i prefer the heat win due to wade and mourning not having rings. i made good $$ on detroit last year and i like their " total team". however, the pistons benefit from the calls more than any other team. they consistently make contact with the def and they are rewarded for it at the FT line. det backers should be happy- shaq does not get the respect akeem used to get,etc. the pistons players are more accustomed to the playoffs and it showed tonight. either way, the pistons are a very good team, but i am sick of them flopping. it is a f'n waste for bball fans. seriously, det is very good and should not need to flop to win. very dissapointed. :cursin:
