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you finally made it.......DICK.....
you finally made it.......DICK.....
dick durbin hits the bigtime...aljazeera.net...
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Sad isn't it--Algezerra love these liberals and liberal media.
As I said many times this war has 2 fronts we must over come.
and while on subject of liberal media and there there front page assualts lets take alook at what misses front page.
If you read NYT you might not know they they have discovered emails and documents supporting Kofiana lied i oil for food investigation. The documents oredeal was in small print on page 7 of NYT and next day email story on page 11.
Go figure---and---
Durbin's Diss
Sen. Dick Durbin (search), D-Ill., seems to be flying in the face of public opinion when he likens American forces at Guantanamo Bay (search) to Nazis and other murderous regimes.
A brand new FOX News poll shows that a plurality of Americans think conditions at Gitmo meet accepted standards for treatment of detainees. What's more, 59 percent of those polled say they believe prisoners are living better at Guantanamo than they were at home. And another 59 percent say the prison camp should remain open.
As for the question of the treatment of the Koran: 75 percent of those polled say they believe Americans held by Muslims would not even be provided with copies of the Bible under similar circumstances.
Dishing Dean's Defenses
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean (search) has said he hates Republicans, called them "evil" and "brain dead," and said that House Republican leader Tom DeLay should be in jail. But you wouldn't know any of that from reading The New York Times.
The paper has never once reported any of Dean's Republican-bashing rhetoric. The National Review's Byron York writes that even after Dean's appearance on "Meet the Press" last month, the Times ignored Dean's past diatribes ? reporting only what he said in his own defense.
What's more, the conservative Media Research Center's records show that before last week, none of the broadcast networks had reported on Dean's controversial comments in their evening newscasts.
As I said many times this war has 2 fronts we must over come.
and while on subject of liberal media and there there front page assualts lets take alook at what misses front page.
If you read NYT you might not know they they have discovered emails and documents supporting Kofiana lied i oil for food investigation. The documents oredeal was in small print on page 7 of NYT and next day email story on page 11.
Go figure---and---
Durbin's Diss
Sen. Dick Durbin (search), D-Ill., seems to be flying in the face of public opinion when he likens American forces at Guantanamo Bay (search) to Nazis and other murderous regimes.
A brand new FOX News poll shows that a plurality of Americans think conditions at Gitmo meet accepted standards for treatment of detainees. What's more, 59 percent of those polled say they believe prisoners are living better at Guantanamo than they were at home. And another 59 percent say the prison camp should remain open.
As for the question of the treatment of the Koran: 75 percent of those polled say they believe Americans held by Muslims would not even be provided with copies of the Bible under similar circumstances.
Dishing Dean's Defenses
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean (search) has said he hates Republicans, called them "evil" and "brain dead," and said that House Republican leader Tom DeLay should be in jail. But you wouldn't know any of that from reading The New York Times.
The paper has never once reported any of Dean's Republican-bashing rhetoric. The National Review's Byron York writes that even after Dean's appearance on "Meet the Press" last month, the Times ignored Dean's past diatribes ? reporting only what he said in his own defense.
What's more, the conservative Media Research Center's records show that before last week, none of the broadcast networks had reported on Dean's controversial comments in their evening newscasts.
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CALL his office. Demand that he apologize to all the men and women of the military. He may or may not be your representative, but when he makes remarks with the sole purpose of making the UNITED STATES look bad, he represents all of us, at least on Al Jazeera. Make a call and let that SOB know that those types of comments won't be acceptable. I will even give you the number
Washington: (202) 224-2152
Chicago: (312) 353-4952
It's time WE started standing up for America, and taking these pansy politicians ON BOTH SIDES in some cases to task.
Washington: (202) 224-2152
Chicago: (312) 353-4952
It's time WE started standing up for America, and taking these pansy politicians ON BOTH SIDES in some cases to task.
very sad,,,,thanks for the numbers,kgar....i`ve heard his staff is hanging up on callers..
after re-reading his comments....and seeing his list of infamy(pol pot,the nazi`s and the gulags etc) one thing i noticed was the glaring omission of saddam...
very odd...
after re-reading his comments....and seeing his list of infamy(pol pot,the nazi`s and the gulags etc) one thing i noticed was the glaring omission of saddam...
very odd...
Ignorant comments by Durbin that don't do anything to help anything. Between him and Dean, jeez.
But I can't help but chuckle at comments like Wayne's about 'fighting two fronts.'
There's never a hint of criticism from some people about how this war has been prosecuted or even the stupidity of going there at all. It's the media. The implication is that without a free press, Iraq would have been a breeze. Let's face it, the whole thing was a dumb idea based on lies, yes lies, and deceipt. But it's the media who is actually causing the problems. Jesus.
Then with Gitmo and Abu Gharib, it's the media again. No criticism for the people that are actually making us look terrible, you know, the people whose actions brought it on.
Nope, it's always laughed off as being 'silly' and the media gets scorched for reporting it.
Let's try not to shoot the messenger and let's actually hold people accountable. Is that possible, or not?
But I can't help but chuckle at comments like Wayne's about 'fighting two fronts.'
There's never a hint of criticism from some people about how this war has been prosecuted or even the stupidity of going there at all. It's the media. The implication is that without a free press, Iraq would have been a breeze. Let's face it, the whole thing was a dumb idea based on lies, yes lies, and deceipt. But it's the media who is actually causing the problems. Jesus.
Then with Gitmo and Abu Gharib, it's the media again. No criticism for the people that are actually making us look terrible, you know, the people whose actions brought it on.
Nope, it's always laughed off as being 'silly' and the media gets scorched for reporting it.
Let's try not to shoot the messenger and let's actually hold people accountable. Is that possible, or not?
gardenweasel said:
Not really very odd. The administration has done a very good job of brainwashing if they have people thinking Saddam belongs on a list with Hitler and Pol Pot. Why, i'll bet there are still tons of people in this country who still think Saddam was involved in 9/11. Over a year after the invasion and three years after 9/11, polls showed like 45% thought that was the case. It's probably still around 30%.
StevieD said:
Yeah, it's something else. Some people are concerned that we are excercising a free press, or concerned about dumb remarks by senators.
Others are concerned about being lied to and as a result nearly 2 thousand troops(about three battalions worth-poof) are dead and that 12,000(more than half of a division) or so are wounded. 200 billion down the drain and counting. No end in sight.
It seems pretty apparent which issues are more important, but not to some I guess.
Durbin is one of our local heroes here in Illinois. This guy went to the Reverand's (Jackson) school of media manipulation. He never misses and opportunity to catch some quality tv time long after a topic is in play. The local media is well aware of this. He's seems extremely accessable, especially to our various morning radio outlets. This "piling on" and going "over the top" on an issue is his MO. Seems very orchestrated to me because he is normally a very monotone and even mannered individual. Maybe he has his sites on something higher down the road. Any pub is good pub correct?
Not to get off topic.......
I heard a vp (either from the military or the administration) make a point pertaining to this. He said, if they wanted to hide anything, such as a place like Gitmo, they could just open such a shop somewhere else quite FAR away and much more INACCESSABLE to the public.
This also tells me Gitmo could be closed tomorrow and they could just operate elsewhere.
or
Just whack the guys in the 1st place and eliminate the whole Gitmo problem.
I heard a vp (either from the military or the administration) make a point pertaining to this. He said, if they wanted to hide anything, such as a place like Gitmo, they could just open such a shop somewhere else quite FAR away and much more INACCESSABLE to the public.
This also tells me Gitmo could be closed tomorrow and they could just operate elsewhere.
or
Just whack the guys in the 1st place and eliminate the whole Gitmo problem.
Hopefully BBC can have some more on Durbin......
and more importantly a pick on tonights LAD game
and more importantly a pick on tonights LAD game
IntenseOperator said:
Interesting take. I wouldn't doubt it, and right, any pub is good.
I don't know much about him, but a couple of your comments seem contradictory.
You say that his MO is piling on and over the top behavior, yet you say he's montone and even mannered?
didn't come across right
He basically takes a played topic and adds and adds his take to things in an even manner, under the bright lights. He can be (and is) even mannered while always going a bit farther on many a topic.
He basically takes a played topic and adds and adds his take to things in an even manner, under the bright lights. He can be (and is) even mannered while always going a bit farther on many a topic.
IntenseOperator said:
I think that as a whole, they are treated fine at Gitmo.
My problem is that, once again, the world has to take this admins word that all 550 of them are guilty of something serious. And by 'serious' I mean, not just within 500 miles of some former taliban hang-out.
Let's face it, Bush & co are not the least bit credible. If they are guilty of something, then try them and put them in prison. You cannot hold people indefinitely with no charges ever being filed. I would bet anything that less than half of them even had anything to do with Al-queda or the taliban whatsoever and maybe 5% actually are any sort of threat.
If i'm wrong, then let's try them and lock them up.
I see that we're undergoing a 130 million dollar 'upgrade' at Gitmo. The money pit just never ends.
Matt For you to be partially correct it would have to be presumed we should not went to war with Iraq--which is debatable.
We are at he way I look at it we are at war with thugs (terrorists)anyone that makes their job easier or gives them moral support is aiding and abetting the enemy in my view.
We are at he way I look at it we are at war with thugs (terrorists)anyone that makes their job easier or gives them moral support is aiding and abetting the enemy in my view.
kosar...are you saying tht saddam doesn`t fit right in with that group?....
you think that it`s brainwashing to say that saddam doesn`t belong very high on any list of tyrants that murdered and terrorized his own people?...
how many of your own citizens do you have to murder to make the list?....how many rape chambers do you have to have?...how much havoc do you have to wreak?....
i`d list all his atrocities again but it`s becoming redundant...
they are still uncovering mass graves in the desert as we speak....
it amazes me that anyone can dismiss what durbin says as just "ignorant"....when the comments are being played all over the arab world as fuel for their radical fire....
not al jazeera...not the bbc...our own guy said that crap...obviously before he thought it through...much like dean does....
these guys are scary...
an apology isn`t good enough,imo...
kosar...do you believe the rumor in the arab world that al zarqawi is an american puppet?.....that he has to be a bush puppet?...because an arab wouldn`t be murdering fellow arabs in iraq like he is....
they believe that bin laden and al zarqawi are working for the americans....i`m serious...
saddam can`t be included in the pantheon of brutal dictator/murderers....but,guantanamo and gitmo belong lumped in with the gulags and the concentration camps?....
whoa...
and that old "people think saddam was responsible for 9/11" saw is nothing more than old democratic talking points..
anybody that can read knows who is responsible for 9/11....
THE JEWS!!....otherwise,why did they all take off on that day?....
i agree...somebody`s brainwashed.....lol
you think that it`s brainwashing to say that saddam doesn`t belong very high on any list of tyrants that murdered and terrorized his own people?...
how many of your own citizens do you have to murder to make the list?....how many rape chambers do you have to have?...how much havoc do you have to wreak?....
i`d list all his atrocities again but it`s becoming redundant...
they are still uncovering mass graves in the desert as we speak....
it amazes me that anyone can dismiss what durbin says as just "ignorant"....when the comments are being played all over the arab world as fuel for their radical fire....
not al jazeera...not the bbc...our own guy said that crap...obviously before he thought it through...much like dean does....
these guys are scary...
an apology isn`t good enough,imo...
kosar...do you believe the rumor in the arab world that al zarqawi is an american puppet?.....that he has to be a bush puppet?...because an arab wouldn`t be murdering fellow arabs in iraq like he is....
they believe that bin laden and al zarqawi are working for the americans....i`m serious...
saddam can`t be included in the pantheon of brutal dictator/murderers....but,guantanamo and gitmo belong lumped in with the gulags and the concentration camps?....
whoa...
and that old "people think saddam was responsible for 9/11" saw is nothing more than old democratic talking points..
anybody that can read knows who is responsible for 9/11....
THE JEWS!!....otherwise,why did they all take off on that day?....
i agree...somebody`s brainwashed.....lol
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Durbin apologized.
I'll borrow what a local radio personality said upon his newsman reading that.....
"Well he road it for two weeks, now thinks it's time to get off that horse."
Durbin=piece of crap
I'll borrow what a local radio personality said upon his newsman reading that.....
"Well he road it for two weeks, now thinks it's time to get off that horse."
Durbin=piece of crap
