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is going to force you to get medical insurance or pay a penalty of 2.5% of your income:scared This madman is on a rampage and has to be stopped, tax, tax, tax...Isn't this country about choices and rights? This is just another way to grow the economy from the bottom up, at this rate there will not be any rich, everyone will be lower class just like Cuba, welcome to the Socialist Republic of The United States
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House Democrats on Tuesday unveiled their proposal for a sweeping health care bill that would require all Americans to buy affordable insurance. The cost of the proposed legislation would be paid for by taxes on wealthy Americans.

The bill would impose a 5.4 percent surtax on couples earning more than $1 million annually and a 1.5 percent tax on couples earning between $500,000 and $1 million. Households earning more than $350,000 would get hit with a 1 percent tax.

House Democrats want to require individuals and employers to get health insurance -- or pay a penalty.

For individuals, the penalty would be 2.5 percent of income -- but it could go no higher than the average cost of health insurance.

The penalty for employers would be much higher -- 8 percent of a worker's wages -- with an exemption for small businesses. Business groups are strongly opposing an employer requirement.

The House plan lacked total cost figures. House leaders want to quickly move the legislation through three committees and to a floor vote before the congressional recess in August. President Obama is pressing the House and Senate to vote this summer on the bill.

Not to be outdone, House Republicans will introduce their own version of a health care bill, which has little chance of passing because they are outnumbered.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared Monday that the House will be on pace to pass the legislation before members of Congress take their summer break next month.

But the odds of getting a health care bill passed through both chambers of Congress before 2010 are growing longer.

Moving forcefully on his top domestic priority, Obama told Sen. Max Baucus, chairman of the Finance Committee, that he wants legislation ready by week's end, according to numerous Democratic officials.

These officials said Obama made his wishes known directly to Baucus, D-Mont., on Monday at a White House meeting attended by administration officials and senior Democratic lawmakers.

Scott Mulhauser, a spokesman for Baucus, said the senator has stressed that his committee will be ready when it has completed a proposal "that can ensure quality, affordable care for every American, lower costs -- and pass the Senate."

Despite objections from conservative and moderate Democrats in the House, prospects for quick action are better there than in the Senate.

The legislation that the House Democrats are expected to introduce Tuesday would prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage or charging higher premiums on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions. And it would spend billions of dollars subsidizing lower-income individuals and families who cannot afford coverage in an attempt to cut dramatically into the ranks of the uninsured.

Its total price tag remains unknown, but to comply with another presidential priority, it would rely on cuts in Medicare and Medicaid to begin slowing the rate of growth in health care spending overall.

The measure is expected to impose a fee on large companies that fail to offer insurance; individuals who refuse to purchase affordable insurance will have to pay a penalty.

A new income tax on the wealthy, estimated to raise more than $500 billion over the next decade, would help pay for the bill.

Efforts at completing the measure have been slowed in recent days by criticism from a group of moderate and conservative Democrats known as the Blue Dog Coalition. Obama met with a Blue Dog delegation on Monday evening, and Rep. Henry Waxman of California, chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, sat down with them separately.

Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., head of the Blue Dogs' health care task force, said later that some of the group's concerns were being addressed -- but not enough that they can support the House measure without further improvements.

Ross noted that more than a half-dozen members of the group have seats on Waxman's committee, enough to hold up passage.

He said that in one concession to the Blue Dogs, Democratic leaders have indicated that they're increasing the size of the exemption for small businesses from a requirement for employers to provide health care to their employees. The exemption is expected to increase from businesses with payrolls of $100,000 to those with payrolls of $250,000, Ross said, which he characterized as "probably not enough."

The group still has concerns about Medicare payments to doctors and other health care providers, rural health and other issues.

In the Senate Finance Committee some highly controversial issues remain unresolved, including how to pay for the bill and a Democratic demand for the government to sell insurance in competition with private industry, a proposal Republicans oppose strongly. Unlike the other congressional committees working on health care, Finance members have been laboring to produce a bipartisan bill.

A second Senate committee, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, was pushing to complete work Tuesday on a partisan bill that would create a government-run health plan to compete with private insurers and require employers to provide coverage -- but probably could attract little or no Republican support.
 

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Funny but Romney pushed that thru when he was acting as Gov here in Mass and he can't stop taking bows for it.
 

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--a couple points on this .

1st on the --

The penalty for employers would be much higher -- 8 percent of a worker's wages -- with an exemption for small businesses. Business groups are strongly opposing an employer requirement.

Have seen several diff versions on what they will use to determine "small business".
The most prevailant is 25 employees.

Now if I'm an employer with 25 employees do you think I might consider not hiring the 26th that will cost me 8% on all of them--and if I have 30 employees- it would save me a ton to get rid of 5 of them.

--and I thought we were looking for ways to expand employment. I can not think of a law more counter productive--

On the tax increases on the rich--while I don't like any federal or state mandated redistribution of wealth--I could go for above increases--IF

The proceeds went to pay off existing debt and shore up ssn and medicare--rather than start yet another inept social program worse than others combined and invaribly increasing our already staggering debt.
 

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--a couple points on this .

1st on the --

The penalty for employers would be much higher -- 8 percent of a worker's wages -- with an exemption for small businesses. Business groups are strongly opposing an employer requirement.

Have seen several diff versions on what they will use to determine "small business".
The most prevailant is 25 employees.

Now if I'm an employer with 25 employees do you think I might consider not hiring the 26th that will cost me 8% on all of them--and if I have 30 employees- it would save me a ton to get rid of 5 of them.

--and I thought we were looking for ways to expand employment. I can not think of a law more counter productive--

On the tax increases on the rich--while I don't like any federal or state mandated redistribution of wealth--I could go for above increases--IF

The proceeds went to pay off existing debt and shore up ssn and medicare--rather than start yet another inept social program worse than others combined and invaribly increasing our already staggering debt.

I agree with most of this.
 

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If Bush were President this would be a dead issue like it was for 8 years. Bush's answer to health care, go to the ER.

If it were not for the repelicans crying, i want the dems to push universal health care where everyone must be included and everybody pays. This would bring down the cost. Also price controls for care and drugs, like Japan and Germany. No one is denied and no one loses their home because they get sick.
 
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If Bush were President this would be a dead issue like it was for 8 years. Bush's answer to health care, go to the ER.

If it were not for the repelicans crying, i want the dems to push universal health care where everyone must be included and everybody pays. This would bring down the cost. Also price controls for care and drugs, like Japan and Germany. No one is denied and no one loses their home because they get sick.

If you think Gov't regulated health care is going to reduce costs...you are nuts. It will only diminish the quality of care. It may help everybody get their sniffles some medical attention. It will also increase the mortality rate of this country.

In regard to costs----Gov't will replace private insurance company role---however, there will always be a middleman driving these costs through the roof. Especially, when the Gov't controls it.....BECAUSE THEY WILL BE THE MIDDLMAN to the pharmaceuticals and hospitals.

When has the Gov't ever been more efficient than private sector? In the end---higher costs (taxes) and poor medical care. But, dont worry---the indigent will get to be seen in the local ER for their runny noses..

One more question----if you ask any doctor what he/she thinks of universal health care---negative.

If you want reform---ask your Gov't to strike down the restrictions it places upon the medical profession/insurance carriers and let the free market rule. That will reduce costs and improve care.
 

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WE can hope a good plan comes out of the work these committies are trying to complete. For sure everyone should have coverage. I don,t know about the rest of you. But i,m sick of paying for those ducking coveage and want it free.
 

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You can only be stupid for so long, than you die. Why are most other countries far ahead of the US on this. America is eating their dust. Why should you lose your home because you get sick? Or be denied than you die?

America still has the death penalty, no high speed trains, no high speed broadband, no universal health care.

Some governments are tools of the people, not the other way around.

Take a look at "Sick around the world" and see what other countries are doing about their health care. The US is right now spending twice as much as these countries without covering everybody. Health care CEO's don't want their profits to drop and you're helping them. Do something for the people of the United States.

Frontline Sick around the world:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/video/flv/generic.html?s=frol02p101&continuous=1
 

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Well maybe, just maybe.... for those who have large bankrolls and win on a regular basis should transfer 40%+ of their bankroll to those who are chump change bettors ?

In a Obama Universe, should this be the case?

I myself bet chump change, 100 to 250 a game, I work way to hard for my money to have the chance of it go into the shitter, but if I would have the opportunity to have my account funded by a heavy hitter like Trench Fickler or Spythe web, who obviously support the transfer of wealth. OK ! Deal me in !

You can reach me by going to my profile page and send me an email to yahoo at my yahoo msgr username.

TIA ! Peas on Earth:D
 

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That 8% is going to hurt a lot of businesses. Especially ones that do long term contract work. I staff contract people for EDS on the healthcare side, sometimes for 1 month sometimes up to 1 year. I get over 25 people working for them quite often and because of the way the IRS changed their rules we had to make the W2 employees instead of 1099. The 8% will either stop me from working with them or force me to raise my % markup. With as tight as things are right now I have a feeling it will be me not working with them anymore.

Thanks Obama!

I know for a fact I'm not rich but I'm being taken from so everyone can get healthcare.
 
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