Did McCain cause the Forrestal fire that killed 132

[Spytheweb]

McCain Aviation Career

McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fired a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.

Did you McCain kill 132 sailors? Is John McCain as much as a pilot as George W. Bush? Did both men ride on their father's coattails? Was John McCain shot down in Vietnam? Or did he just crash his 5th aircraft there?

http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mcca...s_forresta.htm

 

[smurphy]

This is f*king stupid. Equal to to the Swift Boat shit. Ridiculously dumb.

 

[rusty]

This is f*king stupid. Equal to to the Swift Boat shit. Ridiculously dumb.

Your right this is stupid.
Why would he crash his jet in Vietnam?
To be toutured for 4 years???

Dont add up.
Someones always looking for the consp. theory.
To make it sound interesting.Stuid it is,

 

[THE KOD]

interesting

 

[gardenweasel]

interesting

only to spy,yourself(achmed) and spongy(machmud)......

 

[Cie]

interesting

You are better than this Scott, arent you??? Sponge, sure, Spy the Camel, definitely, but now you. Looks like we lost another reasonable member to the dark side. Good luck over there, Scottie. Don't forget to bring toilet paper. I hear they wipe with their hands:SIB

 

[The Sponge]

interesting

Scotty don't ever let these Bush voters try to show you how to think. They love to try to get people to think like them but when you want just one of them to own up to the 4000 dead soldiers which their vote created, or the 9 trillion dollar debt that is suffocating the nation, they hide like little school girls, or blame Clinton. Now Smurph is right the article is garbage, but what is in store for Obama will make this look like nothing. The Cie's of the world were nowhere to be found when Kerry got swift boated by their party. None of them were. They just soaked it all up and called him a traitor.:shrug: Cie and Weasel all of the sudden have decided to dictate what is supposed to be posted here on the site:shrug:

 

[THE KOD]

McCain crashed 5 jets, plus he was responsible for the horrible USS Forrestal fire In 1967.

Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4.

'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fuel tank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb. bomb off it's 500 lb. rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration, along with 167 of his fellow Forrestal shipmates (including those who died later from wounds suffered).

'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots. McCain was quickly (they were still counting the Forrestal dead) transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred). :scared
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[THE KOD]

You are better than this Scott, arent you??? Sponge, sure, Spy the Camel, definitely, but now you. Looks like we lost another reasonable member to the dark side. Good luck over there, Scottie. Don't forget to bring toilet paper. I hear they wipe with their hands:SIB

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Cie

I am more logical than reasonable.

Like I have said, if this information is out there, I want to at least know about it.

Past records , experience, and military record information is so important to guys like DTB.

Have to know what John McCain went through.

If he was the only one transferred out immediately , that should be information that is available. Were they trying to protect him from his own crew ?

:shrug: :shrug:

you are better than this Cie

Don't go to the light , stay away from the light

 

[THE KOD]

FACT SHEET: Military record of John Sidney McCain III
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McCain III, like his father and grandfather, also attended the United States Naval Academy.
McCain III finished near the bottom of his graduating class in 1958.:SIB


McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft

1 - Student pilot McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus
Christi Bay while practicing landings.
2 - Pilot McCain III lost another plane two years later while he was deployed in the
Mediterranean. ?Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines
which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the
son of an admiral.
3 - Pilot McCain III lost number three in 1965 when he was returning from flying a Navy
trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain III radioed, ?I?ve got
a flameout? and ejected at one thousand feet. The plane crashed to the ground and
McCain III floated to a deserted beach.
4 - Combat pilot McCain III lost his fourth on July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to
the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk combat pilot. While waiting his turn for takeoff, an
accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain Jr?s. plane. He escaped from the burning
aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft,
and threatened to sink the ship.
5 - Combat pilot McCain III lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his
23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile. McCain
III ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently
parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North
Vietnamese, McCain III was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle
butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

 

[THE KOD]

Stay away from the light, go back ,
enlightenment is death.

 

[Spytheweb]

Didn't know how he crashed the aircraft, now i do.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Past records , experience, and military record information is so important to guys like DTB.

..:s5:

 

[kosar]

5 - Combat pilot McCain III lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his
23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile.

Scotty,

Please don't get all caught up in this extraneous stuff. Smurphy is right, it's no different than the Swift Boat crap.

I like how some of these 'sources' put things. He 'failed to avoid' that bad boy, huh?

Just like all of our grunt POW's on the ground 'failed to avoid getting captured.'

He might have sucked as a pilot, who knows, but at least he was over there while W was busy campaigning down in Texas for his daddys buddy while serving out his, ahem, National Guard 'term.'

 

[THE KOD]

Scotty,

Please don't get all caught up in this extraneous stuff. Smurphy is right, it's no different than the Swift Boat crap.

He might have sucked as a pilot, who knows, but at least he was over there while W was busy campaigning down in Texas for his daddys buddy while serving out his, ahem, National Guard 'term.'

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yeh I know kosar.

And I do respect the fact he was there serving our country. The only reason I voted for Bush was that I hated Gore and all he stood for.

It is swift boat crap if it is not true and can't be proven. If it is true it bothers me.

just sayin

 

[THE KOD]

Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4.

'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fuel tank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb. bomb off it's 500 lb. rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration,
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So here is my question. Was McCain hot shotting , fawking around trying to scare the guy behind him and caused this ?

Then he was protected because of his Admiral family . This sounds kinda familiar

This is negligence in the first degree causing death to fellows officers and crew.

Is this the kind of decision making and responsibility we can expect when his fingers are inchs from the red buttons ?

This isnt swift boat, this would be more like swift plane.

 

[StevieD]

The problem with the Swift Boat Crap is that Bush supporters and Fox News swears that the lying traitors behind it are telling the truth! I dunno much about McCain and Viernam. I only look at it this way If after all these years he still thinks Vietnam was a good idea then he is not fit to president of anything.

 

[kosar]

The problem with the Swift Boat Crap is that Bush supporters and Fox News swears that the lying traidors behind it are telling the truth! I dunno much about McCain and Viernam. I only look at it this way If after all these years he still thinks Vietnam was a good idea then he is not fit to president of anything.

I agree. That's a hell of a lot more important than this blowing up planes and stuff that nobody will ever prove either way.

Then again, why do we have to go back to Vietnam to even see what he thinks regarding our current problem?

We KNOW he supports Iraq, jokes about the 'bomb,bomb bomb- bomb, bomb Iran', crap.

We're seeing signs that W is looking to do something with Iran before he leaves and we all know damn well that will appeal to a certain element and possibly energize the 'war rocks-whatever the cost' crowd that might otherwise stay home.

That is probably the best way he can help McCain. Attack Iran! And destroy their, uh, WMD program.

I just think certain things are a lot more telling and important than others.

 

[djv]

Dead on worry more about now. He has add out about war. Add does not match what comes out of his mouth.

 

[THE KOD]

Dead on worry more about now. He has add out about war. Add does not match what comes out of his mouth.

:idea: :idea: :thinking: