Dilemma Of The Deadbeat Voter

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Dilemma Of The Deadbeat Voter

<CITE>Vahan Janjigian, Forbes Growth Investor</CITE>, 04.24.09, 05:00 PM EDT
Irresponsible individuals look to government to right their wrong decisions, but that will only make their problems worse

What ever happened to the concept of personal responsibility?
I seem to remember a time when people actually blamed themselves for their own bad decisions. If they got caught speeding or even if they lost some money in the market, they simply said, "It's my own damn fault!" Today, however, that's the last thing on their mind. If things don't go the way they hoped, they immediately try to find someone else to blame. Sometimes, of course, they are right to do so. Yet all too often, their loss really is their own damn fault.
The problem is that even irresponsible people get to vote. Which explains why politicians are so eager to listen to them. For example, politicians are now falling all over themselves to blame the banks for charging too much interest and fees on credit card purchases. The consensus opinion--at least among some in the political class--seems to be that banks somehow duped consumers. That it wasn't made clear to these innocent consumers that someday they would have to pay back the money they borrowed--with interest no less!
I simply can't buy this argument. I have been using credit cards for at least a few decades. I have been receiving solicitations for even more credit cards for almost as long. I cannot remember one instance when an offer for a card did not clearly state the interest rate I would be charged. I cannot remember one time that I was not notified by the issuer of a card I already owned that it was planning to raise the interest rate. I cannot remember one credit card bill I ever received that did not clearly state the finance charge.
So just exactly how have the banks deceived us? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to avoid paying interest on a credit card. There are at least three ways that come to mind: 1) Don't use the credit card. 2) Use the credit card, but don't buy more than you can afford and make sure you pay off the balance within the grace period. 3) Buy more than you can afford at this very moment, but only if you are certain that you have enough cash flow coming in before the grace period ends.
There is a very simple rule of thumb in the credit markets. The higher the risk of the borrower, the higher the interest rate charged. This is exactly why BB-rated companies pay higher interest rates to borrow money than do AAA-rated companies. And this is why banks will issue credit cards to high-risk borrowers, but only at higher rates than they charge borrowers with good credit scores.
 

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Yeah - but Dubbya and you sure enjoyed taking credit for all of the great economic benefits of those same folks using their credit cards to keep the economy "humming" over the past few years. Believe I mentioned more than once - with facts and figures - how the Bush economy was fueled by credit at unheard of levels - now that it's "Obama" time, these folks are reprehensible. Don't remember you being so concerned about the credit worries before, Wayne - when it didn't matter as long as people bought stuff to make the economy better.

Maybe if any conservatives would have addressed this - ever - when the credit was being extended and used, they would have a little more credibility. No doubt, you need to live within your means...but hey, if they are making you look good by living above them, then we won't worry about it, right?
 

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An honest question here, Wayne. Do you think the current practices of credit card companies is a good thing for anyone except the credit card companies? Specifically, to use one of your narrow instances, someone who has a card for a long time, is a little late one month after never being late before, and forever would owe 28% interest? How about companies knowingly offering credit to people who have been proven to be bad credit risks in the past? Knowing that they can hammer them probably immediately for 28% interest because of the type of person they are?

Is this a good thing in your mind?

(For this exercise, pretend you are not a shareholder in said credit card company that is looking for federal bailout money...)
 

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1st Chad on your one assumption--

Yeah - but Dubbya and you sure enjoyed taking credit for all of the great economic benefits of those same folks using their credit cards to keep the economy "humming" over the past few years.

--find one post where I ever remotely inferred credit card or any debt was good!!!!

On your issues in next post--
I'd expect credit card companies or any business to trend their practices for maximum profit.
Per intial post -interest rates and rules are there for the reading--people know/or should know whats coming.

per your-

How about companies knowingly offering credit to people who have been proven to be bad credit risks in the past?

Now we have common ground.I am adamantly against this abuse and would go as far as to call it criminal.

I like to see one rule made that would stop this abuse.

If credit card company solicits people that have filed bunkruptcy or have poor past credit card history--the soliciting company is on hook for any unpaid balances and has no legal recourse of collection.
 

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"Specifically, to use one of your narrow instances, someone who has a card for a long time, is a little late one month after never being late before, and forever would owe 28% interest? "

you're not a "little late" on a credit card payment. you're late.
If it happens to you, and they jack your rate up... close the card and go apply for a different card.

it freaking boggles my mind why people will use a card, knowing they arent going to pay it off in full each month, and then not even have the brains to get the card with the lowest rate for themselves.
 
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