Do you guys think services do this??????

maverick2112

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There seems to be a lot of like game of the yrs and game of the months etc..........

What if say a service gives out a game of the yr on Oklahoma this week on a pay if it wins basis.........say for $100

They have 200 customers sign up to pay only if the selection wins..........so if Oklahoma wins the service takes in (200x100)...20,000 dollars

After the 200 signups they then go a make a wager on Texas for 10,000.

They then guarantee themselves 10,000 if OU wins or 9,000 if Texas wins...........kind of like stealing............
 

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Hell yes they do, they pay after you win is the or one of the biggest scams out there, it is just another type of the 50/50 play. all sites should have a password to get in and have plays posted for all members to see, this shit about call us on the phone or call back in 10 mins still working on info is all a scam, with they pay after you win they can't lose they rake in cash that way. I said it many times it hurts me to say it because some on here group me but so be it. but the service business over all for the most part is all about people who can write good bs and talk good bs 80-85% of the services are scams, a lesser amount would say 755 don't even play their plays, these are people who majored in journelism and business marketing in college and have gone on to do this as a job of choice, they can sale you and bait you and reel you in and they could give to cents about your ass, pay after you win means our service is making a great payday.
 

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It's called siding, where have you been? For these people to operate successfully after they've been exposed as frauds on every medium you would have to be a total moron and lazy people are just that.
Touters are not gamblers. Some have high overheads and expensive operations.
That being said, as current events will attest "Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
 

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dan you are so right with 2 things touters are not gamblers and the money the big boys which i never care to be i do just what i need my business to do for my own winnings and taxes, but i know 4 who i have been ask to go with more then once who run tv shows and are in every paper that has to do with football or gamming, 2 i know have advertising budgets over 1 million yes 1 million, shit i could stay around doing this for 25 more years and not even clear 1 million and these major compines have that as their budget to advertise, hell i could not even handle haveing 200 investors at 1 time, they ones i have long term is enough and it is under 50 and that is fine with me . hell the money some of these big corps bring in with the sat and sunday call lines is sick it is a ton but they always have 50% winners. sad but true and they will always have that because of the 50-50 game. I got burried in college by a guy called the duke he is still around his name is dave runs out of balt,says he is in vegas but he is not, he is all over every sports radio stations and has a national show , he loves to scream. well he baited me and knew i was in trouble and just got me in deeper and deeper had to tell my parents because i was playing with a bookie and was playing up to 500 a game in college hell did not have 500 in the bank account, lost 3,500 in 2 weeks had to tell the bookie i was a college kid not a working person he was pissed but set up a plan for me then had to tell my parents which was even worse. 3500 might not seem like a lot to some people but when in college might as well be 100,000 it sure felt like it. then got bailed out and fell for it again with a guy named edmon slick same shit different bookie same result this time my dad flew down to fl and was ready to beat the shit out of me and the bookie for taking bets from a college kid was 19. that is where i got my first bad taste of how people can sale a idiot anything who is in a hole, that is why i don't sale you either want my service after we talk and make sure the person is 1 a adult and 2 can follow directions. then if you are fine with me and i am fine with them it is up to them, they write me i tell them to call and after we speak 1 time i don't call back or write back unless they call or write me first.
hell i had to have my phone changed in college every service out there knew me it seemed like and they knew i was in a hole with such and such or because of such and such, years later i figured it out and learned how, it was because lot of these guys all work out of same office and use different names even the ones you see people post have different names but are the same group working together. the more advertising money they spend the more scamming they do. hell i don't have 1 million in the bank now counting stocks and everything ira and cash and house and car. these 2 pricks are still around also they have to be in the late 50"s or early 60's and still scamming along.
 

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I also cant see how services like Northcoast has multiple companies on his community line (billy Colman, great lakes, etc.etc)

Sometimes I wonder if it just isnt Phil Steele running every service.......they are all located in or around Cleveland......and 3 guys who I think were once affliated with him run their own service Bryan Leonard, Mike Neri and Ralph Micheals of california sports......I sometimes wonder if it isnt Phil Steele running the whole show.......that way hes has like 20 services under 1 umbrella..........

Donn Wagner has the same set up..........in fact I see a lot of services these days running their service and adding other cappers to there comp lines etc.........
 

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wagner is a another big money scammer like north cost least north coast puts out a good fb book but that is it, they have like 15 people under them different names but all goes back to cleveland and phil and don is a joke he has no son stevie and he has been a scam for years out of state college pa, he has about 12-15 different people and names but all goes back to don, + besides all they names they use and have they run different levels of clubs as they call them , that is so once they get you in they can bump you up with extra charges, hell check out the price of the top club for wagner or root all scam and no plays own their own games, hell why should they after the way them feist and could name a few other or a lot of others that i know for a fact but don't need to be in a war i can't win already had that with one who runs a radio show i use to be on, but that is fine i have no respect for them and could care less what they think about me.
 

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You folks in the business today are head and shoulders over my knowledge, I mean I still can't see the logic in cell phone use. I span the Mike Lee, Keith Glantz, Jack Painter generation of guys who believed in their craft to the banging together of trashcan lids telling the loser you were in the Knick lockerroom listening in on a conversation or finding Patrick Ewing's playbook in a phone booth. Page1 "put on your sneakers"
Point being, you can have fun but you can not win. If you think differently, oh well!
1968 there were 11 race and sports books in Las Vegas, 1979 - 37 today there are over 100 plus countless offshore.
Gosh, how can they make any money.
Did Pete Rose know baseball, Denny McLain, Paul Horning
Sorry, guys I'm prattling
 

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One of those people called me about 5 years ago, trying to get me buy there picks. Told him I had a middle on the game and wasnt going to wager on the game. He asked me whats a MIDDLE. I wouldnt take free advice from someone pretending to be a Gambler who didnt know such a simple term.
 
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