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Obamacare's crumbling facade


By John Daniel Davidson ? 1/27/16 12:02 AM


As the open enrollment period for Obamacare's health insurance exchanges comes to a close at the end of this month, grumblings from insurers indicate that part of the healthcare law is collapsing under the weight of the administration's desire to sign up as many people as possible, even if it means insurers lose money on the deal.

UnitedHealth, the nation's largest insurer, recently announced it expects to lose more than $500 million on the Obamacare exchanges this year ? after losing $475 million last year. In November, the insurer said because of higher-than-expected cost claims it was considering pulling out of the exchanges altogether in 2017.

Another major insurer, Humana, announced in a recent SEC filing that it also anticipates losses from its business on Obamcare's exchanges, and Aetna sent a letter to the Obama administration warning the exchanges could collapse next year "unless some fundamental flaws are corrected."

The problem is that customers are gaming the system to avoid the high cost of premiums for Obamacare-compliant plans ? a vicious cycle that's driving premiums up as insurers try to make up lost revenue and survive on the exchanges.

How do customers game the system? Through an array of loopholes and exceptions designed to maximize the number of insured people nationwide. Turns out, Americans are exploiting those loopholes the same way they do on their taxes ? and one can hardly blame them, since those shopping on the exchange are most likely subject to the individual mandate.

One aspect of the law, guaranteed issue ? prohibiting insurers from denying anyone coverage because of a pre-existing condition ? was tried in some states back in the 1990s and resulted in customers waiting to buy coverage until they needed care. This caused premiums to rise and more healthy people to leave the market, a phenomena called "adverse selection" that caused the collapse of individual insurance markets in the handful of states that tried it.

A slightly different version of adverse selection is playing out on the exchanges. Because Obamacare allows individuals who experience some life event, like moving or changing jobs, to sign up for coverage outside the normal enrollment period, healthy customers are waiting until they need care to sign up, and then citing one of many eligible "life event" exceptions that allow them to enroll whenever they want. According to a recent report in the New York Times, lawyers for the federal government said it wasn't easy to find a complete list of exceptions.

This is a huge problem for every major insurer on the exchanges, reports Politico. Aetna claimed a quarter of its exchange customers enrolled this way, and that those patients have higher costs. The Blue Cross Blue Shield Association echoed that claim, noting in a letter to the Obama administration that these customers are 55 percent more expensive to cover than those who sign up during the normal enrollment period. UnitedHealth says they are 20 percent more expensive, and that they expect 30 percent of their enrollments next year to come outside the normal signup period.

Another loophole is the 90-day "grace period" that allows customers to keep their coverage even if they've stopped paying their share of the premium. It didn't take long for many customers to figure out they only need to pay for nine months of coverage to stay covered for the year.


Insurers nationwide, including nonprofits like Kaiser Permanente, are calling on Obama administration officials to tighten the rules. Perhaps they will. But the rules were lax for a reason: The most important thing about health care reform to the White House wasn't whether insurers would lose money, but whether the president could claim victory by pointing to millions of newly insured Americans.

If our country's major insurers didn't realize that was the entire purpose of the Obamacare deal, they should have.
 

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Obamacare?s 13th Co-Op Is Closing. Why More Could Follow.

Melissa Quinn / @MelissaQuinn97 / June 01, 2016 / 53 comments

Already, 13 of Obamacare's 24 co-ops have closed their doors. As insurers prepare to submit rates to states, more could shutter. (Photo: Anthony Behar/Sipa USA/Newscom)

Obamacare?s 13th co-op announced it?s closing ahead of the 2017 open enrollment period, and more of the nonprofit insurers could follow suit in the coming months.

Ohio?s InHealth Mutual announced late last week it would be closing its doors after the state?s Department of Insurance requested to liquidate the insurer.

As insurers prepare to submit proposed rate changes to the government ahead of the next open enrollment period, it?s likely Ohio?s co-op won?t be the last to close its doors.

?I think there are a couple of reasons why the picture will be clearer later in the summer,? Ed Haislmaier, a Heritage Foundation senior research fellow in health policy, told The Daily Signal. ?First, insurers are making decisions to participate in the exchange and submitting rates. The other is the risk adjustment formula will kick in for the last plan year, 2015, this summer.?


?Based on that, some companies may not make it. Some companies may decide to exit,? he continued.

InHealth Mutual enrolled nearly 22,000 consumers, with the majority selecting individual market plans. Customers now have 60 days to select a new plan on the federal exchange.

Ohio?s co-op, or consumer operated and oriented plan, is the 13th co-op created under the Affordable Care Act to close its doors. Twenty-four co-ops launched in 2013 with a total of $2.4 billion in start up and solvency loans awarded by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

InHealth Mutual received $129.2 million in loans, according to the agency.

Collectively, the now 13 failed co-ops received more than $1.3 billion in loans and enrolled more than 730,000 consumers across the 14 states they served. Those consumers were forced to pick new plans on the exchanges.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services has not yet said definitively whether the co-ops will be able to repay the loans received. However, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Acting Administrator Andy Slavitt told a congressional panel his agency is working with the Justice Department to recoup the money.

Many of the co-ops that closed their doors did so late last year and cited Obamacare?s risk corridor program as their reason for doing so.

Under the risk corridor program, insurers requesting money from it received just 12.6 percent of the total amount they each asked the government for. InHealth Mutual expected to receive $47 million from the risk corridor program, according to court filings.

Though the risk corridor program damaged the long-term viability of nearly half of the co-ops, Haislmaier said it?s likely Obamacare?s risk adjustment program could have a significant impact on the remaining 11 co-ops? futures.

Under Obamacare?s risk adjustment program, money is transferred from insurers that enroll lower-risk populations to those that enroll higher-risk populations.

?The risk adjustment program is the one that seems to be damaging to small insurers, particularly co-ops,? Haislmaier said. ?There?s a big problem with the risk adjustment program being erroneous, and it?s disproportionately hitting smaller insurers.?

Haislmaier said the Department of Health and Human Services is ?trying to say it?s working, but the data is showing it?s much worse? than the Obama administration is letting on.

According to InHealth Mutual?s order of liquidation, issued May 26, the company paid $3.4 million to the government under the risk adjustment program, which hurt the nonprofit.

Additionally, two other smaller insurers not selling coverage on Obamacare?s exchanges?Health Plan Select in Georgia and Family Health Hawaii?announced their respective decisions to close.

According to The Oconee Enterprise, officials with Health Plan Select decided to close ?rather than pay a surcharge into the federal exchange.?

Because Health Plan Select wasn?t sold on the exchange, Haislmaier said the surcharge was in reference to payments into the risk adjustment program.

?Smaller insurers have exited the market entirely or closed down?insurers that weren?t even on the exchanges?because they were hit with huge bills for risk adjustment,? he said.

The Department of Health and Human Services doesn?t have to allow all insurers to sell coverage on Obamacare?s exchanges and has in the past evaluated the long-term viability of the co-ops when deciding whether to allow them to participate in the marketplaces.

In November, Mandy Cohen, chief operating officer for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, told lawmakers only co-ops that were financially viable could sell coverage on the exchanges, avoiding ?mid-year failure? for customers.

At the state level, insurance commissioners decide whether a co-op should enter into liquidation or not.

Because 13 co-ops have already shuttered, Haislmaier said it?s likely insurance commissioners are following the nonprofit insurers ?more diligently.?

?The experience with the co-ops has probably made them heighten scrutiny a bit because I think the experience so far, there have already been a couple plans that have been shut down and liquidated as of May 6,? he said, referencing Hawaii and Georgia?s smaller insurers. ?This is the kind of thing that?s going on under the radar.?
 

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Yes skully all the people that did not die because of a pre existing condition and being able to have insurance do!!!!!!.... Your side wd not allow a single payer system as the whole world does........and has since the second world war.

Even Mitt Romney put in an Ins plan that works to this day and was the Model for Obama Care... Its sad that you get your Jollies over dead people......Ur premiums are high because of your party fucking u in the ass all the way up to your kidneys. Tuff takin Elephant cock aint it Skully? Evidently u like Anal..........Not for me to judge...........l.
 

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Yes skully all the people that did not die because of a pre existing condition and being able to have insurance do!!!!!!.... Your side wd not allow a single payer system as the whole world does........and has since the second world war.

Even Mitt Romney put in an Ins plan that works to this day and was the Model for Obama Care... Its sad that you get your Jollies over dead people......Ur premiums are high because of your party fucking u in the ass all the way up to your kidneys. Tuff takin Elephant cock aint it Skully? Evidently u like Anal..........Not for me to judge...........l.

What's that all about?
 

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Insurance before Obama was a mess and after Obama is worse, just think if he really would have tried to work with the Republicans on this issue, his first two years was about Obamacare instead of the economy. I think that the failure of Obamacare could actually pave the way for an actual fix.
 

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What's that all about?

It's not that hard, skulnutz.

There are now 18 million people who have medical insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

Prior to the ACA, these people were not insured because:

1. They had a pre-exisring condition, and no insurance company would cover them.

Or

2. The could not afford the cost.

Or

3. They were students over the age of 20 who were no longer covered under their parent's insurance.

Some of these uninsured simply died because they cold not get medical care. Now more of them are healthy and alive. Lives saved.

Still too tough for you? You might ask the folks in Massachusetts who have had universal coverage since Romneycare went into effect in that state. Or the folks all over Europe who all have universal health care.
 

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What's THAT all about?

Please, no bullshit, phoney statements or other attempts to mislead.

Facts, skulnutz, facts, Got any?:popcorn2

I'm still looking for that 2500 a year savings, did you get mine?

Wasn't the GOAL to INSURE EVERYBODY?

Sanders: Despite Obamacare, '29 Million People Still Have No Health Insurance'




By Michael W. Chapman | January 18, 2016 | 11:42 AM EST




(CNSNews.com) -- While explaining his proposal for a Medicare-for-all program during the Democratic presidential debate on Sunday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said he helped write the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, and make it a "better piece of legislation," but the fact is that "29 million people still have no health insurance."

"I'm on the committee that wrote the Affordable Care Act," said Sanders at the debate held in Charleston, S.C. "I made the Affordable Care Act along with Jim Clyburn a better piece of legislation."





"I voted for it, but right now, what we have to deal with is the fact that 29 million people still have no health insurance," said the senator. "We are paying the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs, getting ripped off."

Sanders continued, "And here's the important point, we are spending far more per person on health care than the people of any other country. My proposal, provide health care to all people, get private insurance out of health insurance, lower the cost of health care for middle class families by 5,000 bucks."

"That's the vision we need to take," he said.


Sanders, a self-described Democratic socialist, is an Independent in the U.S. Senate who caucuses with the Democrats. He is battling Secretary Hillary Clinton and former Gov. Martin O'Malley for the Democratic nomination for president.
 
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Insurance before Obama was a mess and after Obama is worse

Listen up skulnutz. For the second try DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTS?

I'm not talking about some cut-and-paste pantload you found somewhere.

I'm talking about FACTS.

For example: How many people had health insurance before ObamaCare, and how many do now?

How many people have received financial help, tax rebates, to help them pay for healthcare?
How many more children are now covered by healthcare than there were before?

Facts, skulnutz, Facts.

If you have no facts STFU!
 

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Listen up skulnutz. For the second try DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTS?

I'm not talking about some cut-and-paste pantload you found somewhere.

I'm talking about FACTS.

For example: How many people had health insurance before ObamaCare, and how many do now?

How many people have received financial help, tax rebates, to help them pay for healthcare?
How many more children are now covered by healthcare than there were before?

Facts, skulnutz, Facts.

If you have no facts STFU!

Despite Obamacare, '29 Million People Still Have No Health Insurance'

Go change your adult diaper
 
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