Does this smell?---Halliburton awarded an iraqi contract

AR182

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I don't like the way this smells.The US is fighting in this war for many reasons, one of which is showing how democracy will benefit the iraqi people.I think one of the backbones about democracy is the right of competition.The fact that Halliburton, which Cheney was once connected to, was given the contract without competitive bids doesn't sit well with me.
Hopefully there is a satisfactorily explanation for this.




Friday, April 11, 2003

WASHINGTON ? Government work granted without competition to a Halliburton Co. subsidiary to fight oil well fires in Iraq could be worth as much as $7 billion over two years, but just a fraction of that has been spent, the Army Corps of Engineers has disclosed.

The deal also allows Halliburton subsidiary KBR, an engineering and construction company, to earn another 7 percent in profit. But as of last week, only $50.3 million had been spent. The $7 billion value was based on a worst-case scenario that hasn't occurred. Coalition forces control all of Iraq's oil wells, and only one fire remains.

The corps released the details in response to an inquiry by Rep. Henry Waxman of California, the top Democrat on the House Government Reform Committee.

Waxman and Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., have asked for an investigation into how the Bush administration is awarding contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq, which could cost as much as $100 billion. They also want the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, to determine whether Vice President Dick Cheney's former company may have received favorable treatment in their Pentagon contracts.

Lt. Gen. Robert B. Flowers, the Corps of Engineers commander, said in his letter to Waxman that KBR was asked to develop plans to restore Iraq's oil infrastructure based on an existing contract with the company that was awarded in December 2001.

"To invite other contractors to compete to perform a highly classified requirement" that KBR already was involved in "would have been a wasteful duplication of effort" that would have delayed war planning, Flowers said, adding that the agreement was structured to control costs.

Waxman said the response raises new questions, including when KBR was asked to develop the plan or when the decision was made to implement it.

"It also is surprising to learn that (KBR) is apparently the only company capable of performing this work in possession of the requisite security clearances," Waxman said in a new letter asking for more answers.

Waxman acknowledged that the Bush administration may have had valid reasons for granting a contract without competition for emergency war work, but "it is harder to understand ... what the rationale would be for a sole-source contract that has a multiyear duration and a multibillion dollar price tag."

He asked Flowers to provide information about how the cost of the work was determined and when the Army would replace the contract with one awarded through competition.

Waxman has said federal procurement data shows the government has awarded KBR work worth more than $624 million from October 2000 through March 2002.

He said there had been previous problems with KBR, including overcharges, such as:

--A GAO finding in 1997 that the company billed the Army for questionable expenses for work in the Balkans, including charges of $85.98 per sheet of plywood that cost $14.06.

--A year 2000 follow-up report on the Balkans work that found inflated costs, including charges for cleaning some offices up to four times a day.

--$2 million in fines paid in February 2002 to resolve fraud claims involving work at Fort Ord, Calif. The Defense Department inspector general and a federal grand jury had investigated allegations by a former employee that KBR defrauded the government of millions of dollars by inflating prices for repairs and maintenance.

The Securities and Exchange Commission began in December a formal investigation into Halliburton's accounting practices, focusing on an accounting change made in 1998 during Cheney's tenure as CEO.
 

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To quote Dr. Freeze.

LOL.....Halliburton....

only contract they have is to fight fires in Iraq.....great job and i bet everyone would want that right now!!!

Halliburton didn't get bid to help rebuild Iraq....not even in the finalists...but the left LOVES to demonize ANY American business....so nevertheless it makes for a great soundbite.

Yup, just another Liberal soundbite Freeze.
 

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Does this surprise anyone, honestly?

Freeze was right on once again.
 

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ok lets all slam me for saying that they got the oil fighting contract and not were out of the bidding for the other contracts...

of course if there is no competition for the other contracts ANYONE will say this is corrupt....good to see some people are on it...
 

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Just to give a little insight Halliburton is the parent company of KBR - Kellog/Brown and Root. Boots and Coots is a contractor that KBR uses - Boots and Coots will get the majority of the $$, for those of you who don't know Boots and Coots is THE best company to use in regards to putting out oil well fires. If there are any firefighters on this board I am sure the have heard of B&C. In regards to the rebuilding of Iraq well Houston is an oil city, this is what we do. Anyone who has ever been to Houston and driven the 610 loop and over the ship channel bridge and taken a look to the left or right can see that this is what Houston does. Since we all are are concerned with costs associated with the war, why do we complain when we bring in the best of breed for dealing with these situations? Would you rather have some company underbid then come in billions over budget? :shrug: If you want to join the party then buy some HAL stock, I got in July of last year @ $11.75 per share, they closed today 21.60, from what I see it should be around 30-35 per share this time next year. Selkirk please chime in:D Hate the game not the players
 
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good point Ryson...

I would like to see what our other options are before we criticize....and also looks like they spent a fraction of the $$ which was designated.....thats what happens when you give the company who can get the job done best the contract....

Halliburton is agreat company...just because CHeney is associated with it seems like they get criticized all the time...
 

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From what I've read, B & C is the best at this.

My problem then is if they're doing the work then why didn't they get the contract. It seems to me as we've added a middle man to also partake in some of the profits. So instead of keeping the costs down, we added somebody to take a commission.
 

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Why did they get the contract in November of 2002, without a bid. Now the spin begins!
 

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congratulations AR, you know... maybe there were a couple alternative reasons for all this. Or then again....all this commotion could simply be about those poor oppressed Iraqi' s.


Its strange some of us who "smelled something" few months back were all lefty liberals:confused: seems to me unless your watching Fox news....pounding your fist chanting USA in your George W tee-shirt, your not American. Or simply not AS AMERICAN as those who are. Anybody who thinks a little, or refutes the current political floated agenda is anti American...God dam it!!

I really don't think any sane American doesn't back our troops. Hell I would never wish harm illness or injury to any fellow American. this isn't exactly a game of risk, no plastic pieces here, every day several more peoples father mother brother son daughter doesn't come home. And because you question the motives reasons & rationales doesn't make you not patriotic.

For those who actually believe we are in Iraqi solely because they are a terrorist threat, with WMD I strongly suggest you start reading up on N.KOREA & IRAN to start with. Or maybe more notably Egypt, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. But then again the powers that be say don't worry about Saudi Arabia....ok

for those big hearted Americans, who think its really really wonderful that we liberated those Iraqis and think we have the ability & wallet to police the planet. I would guess not many of these same people knew or cared less about the Sudan and the 2.5 million slaughtered there....until blackhawk Down came out that is. Or the nearly 2 million in Rwanda. Burma?? How about the thousands starving every single week in North Korea?? Cambodian, Bangladesh?? Seems just a little strange Iraqi was singled out as the lucky winner of our generosity. Well time will simply tell now, we will see if it is possible to police and reform 1 Country in the Long list. May God bless the young men & women over there trying to accomplish it.

Speaking about that, I sometimes wonder...seeing as this is such a enormously noble endeavor, why is it that of the hundreds of members in the house & Congress....who have reared many hundreds of children, only the good Senator Johnson from South Dakota has a enlisted child?? Just seems strange to me.

And God bless Hellah10, remember that guy who everyone busted about his patriotism?? All the shots that guy took around here. May God bless him, and he come home safely.

Shamrock
 

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Worth as much as 7 billion? Unless many more got started today. State Dept just said yesterday there were 3 maybe 4 still burning. Holy shit over 2 billion apiece to put out.
 

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The simple fact, as pointed out, is that Haliburton was awarded a contract to clean up the oil fires immediately - nothing else. They are hands down the top company in the field in which there are very few competitors. That is fact. Also fact is that all future contracts will be bid on. This is no gift. It is in everyone's best interest to get the fires out asap. After all, don't you environmentalists realize the pollution that these blazes are causing? It is almost as damaging as the volcano ash from Southeast Asia that has similarly sullied the atmosphere.
 

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Ferd, the immediatly is just a cover up. They were rewarded the contract in November of 2002. So whoever is spreading that we needed someone immediatly bs they are full of crap.
 

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Those goofy humanitarians have deep ties with Hussein


Just do a google search and you can read enough to make your head spin. Fair and balanced! Here is a sample:

Our president has made it abundantly clear that Iraq's Saddam Hussein is the ringleader of what he calls the axis of evil.

Whether that's indeed the case is something that undoubtedly will play out during the coming months as the United States continues its war on terrorism.

What's strange, though, is that George Bush's own vice president, Dick Cheney, apparently didn't see either Iraq or Saddam as a big problem when he was making billions for Halliburton Inc. and millions for himself only a few years ago.

Halliburton's role, under Cheney's direction, was first outlined in a detailed story in the San Francisco Bay Guardian during the 2000 election campaign and has since been reported in other publications.

"During former Defense Secretary Richard Cheney's five-year tenure as chief executive of Halliburton Inc., his oil services firm raked in big bucks from dubious commercial dealings with Iraq. Cheney left Halliburton with a $34 million retirement package," the Guardian's Martin Lee wrote.

"Of course, U.S. firms aren't generally supposed to do business with Saddam Hussein," he continued. "But thanks to legal loopholes large enough to steer an oil tanker through, Halliburton profited big-time from deals with the Iraqi dictatorship. Conducted discreetly through several subsidiaries in Europe, the transactions helped Saddam Hussein retain his grip on power."

He went on to explain that Halliburton was among more than a dozen American firms that supplied Iraq's petroleum industry with spare parts and helped retool its oil rigs after the Gulf War and after U.N. sanctions were eased in 1998.

The Financial Times of London has estimated that between September of 1998 and the winter of 1999-2000, Cheney, as CEO of Halliburton, oversaw $23.8 million of business contracts for the sale of oil-industry equipment and services to Iraq through two of its subsidiaries, Dresser Rand and Ingersoll-Dresser Pump.

Under Cheney, Halliburton became the United States' largest oil services company and the fifth largest military contractor.

Just another example, apparently, of Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill's "beauty of capitalism."

When it comes to making big money, who cares about evil?
 

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That Cheney guy is as bad as the French. Im surprised he didn't show up at the UN and vote no. What am I saying. Sell it to them blow the chit out of it. Sell it to them again. This honorable person would be our Pres if Bush drops over. Chit he makes Clinton look good.
 

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It smells now and it smelled 8 months ago when I first read it.
I disagree with alot of our foreign policy as the right basically picked this guy out of a beer and cocaine stupor and said clean up your act and 15 yrs from now you will run this place.

None the less I will vote for him because it seems there is no alternative and at least i know that he has integrity(now) I'm not sure about the people he surrounded himself with. Even Colin Powell is not the man I thought he was.
Think him and Mcain would have been great together. To Idealists and conservative too? The best of both worlds.

God bless our heroes in the middle east.. Get home safe.
 

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I would find it disturbing if Haliburton or anyone else was awarded a contract 8 months ago. Will have to research this a little. Can someone enlighten on the details of the contract? What exactly was it for? Was their bidding? Etc. Despite what you may believe, I am not a Bush fan, though I think he had balls in the Iraq situation.
 
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