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gardenweasel

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love the ray rice pick......nice to see `em grab a known quantity....

hopefully,with defenses not keying on him like they did at rutgers,he`ll have some success as a 3rd down back.......
 

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love the ray rice pick......nice to see `em grab a known quantity....

hopefully,with defenses not keying on him like they did at rutgers,he`ll have some success as a 3rd down back.......

agree like the rice pick also...

miami just took henne..really think this good value where they took him...
 

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Scotty you see how you build a team now? See how Parcels did what he just did? He got what he wanted with the first pick and then waited for a quarterback who will be just as good a Ryan. Atlanta had the same chance to do that and blew it. Just like i said they would two months ago. Talk to me in four years and lets see who is better Henne or Ryan or Maimi's 1 and 2 against Atlanta's 1 and 2.
 

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What are the Bears doing?

They have been one of the worst drafting teams over the last 5 years.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8068662?MSNHPHMA

obviously you do not follow the Bears, unlike the cowboys they have won a playoff game this decade....Angelo has done a fine job drafting the last 5 years, only problem is that it was focused soley on Defense, now that most of the D is locked up the next 5 years, you'll see a run on offensive picks
 

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However, I don't like the Forte pick......I wanted Charles there but oh well

love forte over charles....much bigger with similar speed and less fubmling issues...plue forte sounds like he's already an assest in the passing game both as a receiver and as a blocker (which most rookies arent....and benson still cant figure out who and when to block)

imho....great first two picks by the bears.

follow that up with a wr early in round 3 manningham, doucett-my choice or caldwell and either another oline or dline with the later 3rd and angelo will have done his job.....then he can find more gems in rounds 4-7
 

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The Bears had a good day passing.

That sentence hasn't been written much when describing significant days in Bears history. But never did that apply more than Saturday, one of the most important Bear moments since Super Bowl XLI, and those words had nothing to do with throwing or catching.

The Bears passed on players in the first two rounds of the NFL draft who might have generated a bigger buzz among their fan base but did what was best for the short- and long-term future of the franchise.

Local running back Rashard Mendenhall, the pride of Niles West High School and Illinois, still was there when the Bears picked at No. 14. But it made no sense to get a cart before a horse, so Jerry Angelo wisely opted for left tackle Chris Williams of Vanderbilt.A couple of hours later, intriguing quarterback prospects Chad Henne of Michigan and Brian Brohm of Louisville still were waiting uncomfortably on national TV for their phones to ring when the Bears went on the clock again. Again, Angelo let his depth chart guide him more than public opinion and took running back Matt Forte of Tulane.

"We didn't want to get cute on draft day," Angelo said.

So they didn't get cute. They got more complete.

These seemingly might be the two most nondescript players the Bears have taken that high in succession in years. A graduate from Tulane and Vanderbilt?are the Bears rebuilding a football team or starting a law firm? Boring never has looked better at Halas Hall.

Picking Williams and Forte allowed the Bears to upgrade three positions immediately?running back, left tackle and right tackle as John Tait slides to the other side.

Give Tait off-season MVP honors. His flexibility in moving back to his more natural spot at right tackle gave the Bears more options in the first round. The Bears had options too, beyond Mendenhall, when a run on linebackers left Williams, Virginia guard-tackle Branden Albert and Pittsburgh tackle Jeff Otah still on the board.

Albert, who might wind up being a better NFL lineman than Williams in five years, probably wouldn't have been a better left tackle next year. This was no time to convert a college guard into an NFL tackle, as Albert is projected.

Williams routinely excelled blocking the best edge rushers the Southeastern Conference had to offer, experience that made his floor a better gamble than Albert's ceiling?using Angelo's lexicon.

He also just had too many intangibles to ignore. A French major, Williams comes from a family in Glynn, La., that values education and has immersed his childhood in accomplishment.

His twin sister studies chemistry, his older sister is an attorney and his father, Joseph, supervises an electrical plant. So conscientious is Williams that the newlywed?he was married April 5?postponed his honeymoon until he found out the mini-camp schedule of his new team.

"His [Vanderbilt position] coach called him the smartest player he ever coached," Angelo said.

It was using his head that ultimately helped form the knock on Williams that he was soft.

During a practice before the Senior Bowl, Williams backed off after Texas A & M defensive lineman Red Bryant shoved him badly enough for coaches to intervene. Some people might call that soft. Others would call it disciplined.

"Obviously, the Bears feel I have enough fire," Williams said.

The Bears also felt good enough about an NFL Network report early Saturday saying Williams had a lingering spinal issue that would raise red flags for teams. One league source said he suspected two teams of planting that rumor, which Williams and the Bears dismissed.

Sift through all the layers of rumor and innuendo, and no good reason exists for Williams not to be the starting left tackle Sept. 7 for the Bears in the season-opener against the Indianapolis Colts.

Don't be surprised if he's making holes for Forte. Angelo came as close as he ever has publicly Saturday in acknowledging Cedric Benson as a draft bust. Good for him.

Taking Forte instead of grabbing one of the two available quarterbacks, in a way, was a sign the Bears have more faith in Rex Grossman and/or Kyle Orton than they do in Benson. Coach Lovie Smith and Angelo took great lengths to call for competition at the running-back position. But Angelo also called the Bears "an easy team to defend" last year because of their inability "to make people miss on the second level."

Translation: Benson's forte isn't in the open field and it's the rookie's job to win.

If Angelo had been stubborn in proving his point with Benson, the Bears would have come off the bus running in place next season. Instead they got Forte, a speedy guy Angelo described as "passionate about football."

Ever hear anybody use passionate to describe Benson's feelings over being a Bear?

Forte comes to Chicago hungry after being overlooked in the pre-draft hype and being offered just one scholarship out of high school. There are stories around Slidell, La., Forte's hometown, about him running sprints at 2 a.m. because he couldn't sleep. Nobody wants to see the kid sprinting along Town Line Road in Lake Forest but those are the kind of examples Angelo was looking for in this draft.

The Bears went out in search of character. In finding it, they regained a measure of credibility when looking ahead to 2008.
 

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love forte over charles....much bigger with similar speed and less fubmling issues...plue forte sounds like he's already an assest in the passing game both as a receiver and as a blocker (which most rookies arent....and benson still cant figure out who and when to block)

imho....great first two picks by the bears.

follow that up with a wr early in round 3 manningham, doucett-my choice or caldwell and either another oline or dline with the later 3rd and angelo will have done his job.....then he can find more gems in rounds 4-7

Dont get me wrong, I'll be the biggest Forte supporter out there, but he's only a half inch taller and 17 lbs heavier(might be due to Charles running track in the spring and never really participating in off-season stuff)....and charles would blow him away in pads on the field in speed....but I agree about the fumbling issues and being able to pass block which Forte appears to be sound at......

I hope the bears draft a guard here in the 3rd and I would be fine with a WR as well in the 3rd

4-7......DT, S, possibly another RB in Cory Boyd maybe FB-Owen Schmidt....and take a stab at a QB with one of our late picks

9 picks tomorrow- I'd like to see this breakdown
3 OL
1 WR
1 RB
1 QB
1 DT
1 S
1 LB
 

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the ravens are notoriously cheap....they reached for flacco,so they` traded down a few times to save some bread....

ozzie got credit drafting big name guys when the team sucked,but,recently,they`ve been mediocre to poor....

they`ll have a ton of 3rd and 4th rounders,but,they`ve been missing on many of these middle round picks the last few years...

no longer a top drawer organization,imo...,,,

gw..

the nfl network reported that the reason balt. moved up to take flacco was because they heard that the jets were trying to move around to take him....
 

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Hey Al what do you think of the Giants drafting a safety and a cornerback?
I think with the Redskins 2 wide outs and tight end the g-men have to think defense.
Can't argue with decision hope they pan out.
Think they go after a o-lineman or maybe linebacker for 3rd round.
 

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Hey Al what do you think of the Giants drafting a safety and a cornerback?
I think with the Redskins 2 wide outs and tight end the g-men have to think defense.
Can't argue with decision hope they pan out.
Think they go after a o-lineman or maybe linebacker for 3rd round.

from what i have read the giants def. coach pushed for phillips who reminded him of philly safety dawkins.....so you got to like the pick.

i don't know anything about their 2nd round pick other than he is a big physical corner,& as you said he is a good match-up to the big receivers in their division....

the giants need help at linebacker, o-tackle, & receiver....

so we'll see if they go in that direction...
 

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The draft much faster than usual and that is a good thing.

One thing I noticed besides no war room pictures of Jerry Jones making all of Dallas selections is that the teams did not use their full time allotments.

I think they were told, if you know who your going to take, make the fawking selection.

Another unique thing was there were so many trades during the first round. Much more than usual. The thing I dont like about it is that they do not tell you what the fawking trade is, they just say ok now this team picks so and so.

that pisses me off when I am trying to follow the picks into the second and third rounds.

the rat bastids

I cant see them changing the draft to Friday night though. I like it on Saturday better.
 
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Yep, and some of those tie-dyes still fit!

As DeadHeads go, I am a youngling as they only had about 7-8 years of touring left in their run byt the time I was old enough to go to concerts (i am in my late 30s). But, for some reason I was always intrigued by their music and still am quick to get my hands on whatever materials of theirs gets released.

My ears picked up that song on the PA instantly, but it took me a little longer to figure out why they were playing with Tenn being on the clock. :mj07:

saw them many a time in the mid 80s thru early 90s at various venues around the midwest--also saw them a few times in Calif, too...:weed:
 
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