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first off,i liked the weekend format much better...used to make a weekend of it when they had the all day saturday and sunday show....

i`m sure it`s ratings driven...just not crazy about the primetime,3-day set-up...

some things are better left alone...just my opinon...

ravens eyeing boise st corner kyle wilson...
 

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jared gaither on the market..23 yrs old...already a very good o.t.....some complaints about the guy`s work ethic...but 23 yr old, established 6`9" offensive tackles don`t grow on trees in the nfl....

the great ossie newsome decided to pay old beaten down t.e. todd heap and highly overrated d.e. terrell suggs huge contracts ...now leaving a young,budding o.t. with 2 years starting experience out in the cold....

imo,the guy is a huge bargain for a 2nd rounder..we won`t pay him...but somebody should...
 

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first off,i liked the weekend format much better...used to make a weekend of it when they had the all day saturday and sunday show....

i`m sure it`s ratings driven...just not crazy about the primetime,3-day set-up...

some things are better left alone...just my opinon...

ravens eyeing boise st corner kyle wilson...

I hoped the Saints get the DE from USC (Griffen), but seems like the Alex Brown signing will have Loomis looking elsewhere.

Areas of immediate need:

OLB (Weatherspoon from Mizzou or Washington from TCU)

DT(I like Williams from Tennessee, Some say Cody would play well along side of Sedrick Ellis, but I like him better as a 3-4 nose, plus he is as dumb as a stump and his horrific conditioning makes me not want to offer him 1st round $$).
 

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Some say Cody would play well along side of Sedrick Ellis, but I like him better as a 3-4 nose, plus he is as dumb as a stump and his horrific conditioning makes me not want to offer him 1st round $$).

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Got to admit Cody has some nice titties though

How do you know he is dumb as a stump ?
 

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Falcons board.

I am hoping the Falcons can get Sean W , CJ Spiller, or Pouncy the Florida Center

It is a deep draft but the Falcons do not have a second round pick.

Dimitroff is really good with drafts so I think the Falcons will upgrade again and get some players that can start .
 

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I don't like this trade from Denver's perspective because I thought Scheffler was pretty good.

Three-way trade sends Tony Scheffler to Detroit, Ernie Sims to Philly

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 19, 2010 11:41 AM ET

An offseason full of big-name trades has added another significant deal to the mix.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports on a three-way trade between the Eagles, Broncos, and Lions. Linebacker Ernie Sims will land in Philadelphia, while tight end Tony Scheffler goes to the Lions.

PFT's Mike Florio reports that the Broncos will get a fifth-round pick from the Eagles. Denver will send a seventh-round pick to the Lions.

It's not a great deal for the Broncos, who wanted a third-round pick for their promising young tight end. Instead, they essentially dumped Scheffler to move up two rounds on the draft's third day.

The move also shows how down the Lions were on Sims' long-term prospects
 

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Ravens seek to make the most of 5 picks in draft


?The Baltimore Ravens have already used the 2010 NFL draft to address their biggest need, so general manager Ozzie Newsome isn?t worried about having only five picks to improve a team coming off two straight playoff appearances.

The Ravens? primary focus during the offseason was to bolster a wide receiving corps that produced only 12 touchdowns during a 9-7 season and none in two playoff games. After signing free agent Donte? Stallworth(notes), Newsome dealt his third- and fourth-round picks to the Arizona Cardinals for Anquan Boldin(notes) and a fifth-round selection.


That means Baltimore is poised to enter the draft Thursday night with only two picks?Nos. 25 and 57 overall?in the first four rounds. The Ravens don?t have a seventh-rounder, either, having dealt that away in the 2008 trade with Tampa Bay that landed defensive end Marques Douglas.

?What we did to get Anquan Boldin and what I did two years ago to get Marques Douglas on this football team was worth it,? Newsome said. ?I?m better off with Anquan Boldin than to be sitting here with six picks, you know? Because you?d probably see some sweat on my brow.?

That Ravens have never had fewer than six picks in any draft, and it?s quite possible this year won?t be any different. Two years ago, Newsome dealt the eighth overall selection to Jacksonville for four picks, then worked another trade to land quarterback Joe Flacco at No. 18.

A year ago, Baltimore was slotted at 26, but Newsome moved up three notches to take offensive tackle Michael Oher(notes), who immediately became a starter. Later in the draft, Newsome traded down to collect more picks.

The Ravens could target Terrence Cody of Alabama with the 25th pick. Defensive tackle Dwan Edwards(notes) signed with Buffalo as a free agent and end Trevor Pryce will be 35 in August.

?I think Cody?s just a guy you can?t move,? said Eric DeCosta, the Ravens director of player personnel. ?He?s a 350-pound guy, very strong at the point of attack, a deceptive athlete (with) very good feet in a short area.?

Or, since cornerbacks Fabian Washington(notes) and Lardarius Webb are both coming off season-ending knee injuries, Newsome could select pass-cover specialist Devin McCourty of Rutgers.

Then again, tight end Jermaine Gresham of Oklahoma would give coach John Harbaugh an ideal bookend opposite 30-year-old Todd Heap.

Or Newsome may go entirely in another direction, staying true to his ?best player available? credo that in the past garnered Oher, linebacker Ray Lewis(notes) at No. 26, safety Ed Reed(notes) at 24 and Heap with the final pick in the first round of the 2001 draft.

?Since I?ve been here, the one thing I?ve learned is when you?re picking in the 20s, the draft really does not unfold for you until you get past 15 picks,? Newsome said. ?The first 15 picks, we?re just sitting there and we?re taking a guess as to who?s going to pick who and who?s going where. But after those first 15 picks, then the draft starts to crystallize itself for us and we can start to go into targeting players that we think will have the opportunity to make it.?

That?s when Newsome pounces. And even though the Ravens don?t have many 2010 draft picks to barter, that doesn?t mean he won?t be on the phone in the middle of the opening round.

?We had six picks last year and we traded up and got Michael,? Newsome said. ?There are a lot of ways you can build your football team, and if we feel like someone starts to come down the board and he can impact our football team, impact it in a way that we can afford to do some other things on our roster, then yeah, we will move up and get that guy.

?You just never know. You just have to be prepared to go either way.?

By the time the draft begins, the Ravens will have spent hundreds of hours preparing their list of potential picks. And after all that, the quality of their initial selection might just might come down to a twist of fate.

?We weren?t planning on drafting Ed Reed (in 2002),? DeCosta said. ?We were going to draft somebody else, and he got picked. And it was a player that we had ranked higher than Ed, quite honestly. Ed was our 24th player, I think. We drafted 24th that year, and we got the best player in the draft. So, there is an element of luck to this thing. Sometimes you need to get lucky.?
 

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Ravens seek to make the most of 5 picks in draft


?The Baltimore Ravens have already used the 2010 NFL draft to address their biggest need, so general manager Ozzie Newsome isn?t worried about having only five picks to improve a team coming off two straight playoff appearances.

The Ravens? primary focus during the offseason was to bolster a wide receiving corps that produced only 12 touchdowns during a 9-7 season and none in two playoff games. After signing free agent Donte? Stallworth(notes), Newsome dealt his third- and fourth-round picks to the Arizona Cardinals for Anquan Boldin(notes) and a fifth-round selection.


That means Baltimore is poised to enter the draft Thursday night with only two picks?Nos. 25 and 57 overall?in the first four rounds. The Ravens don?t have a seventh-rounder, either, having dealt that away in the 2008 trade with Tampa Bay that landed defensive end Marques Douglas.

?What we did to get Anquan Boldin and what I did two years ago to get Marques Douglas on this football team was worth it,? Newsome said. ?I?m better off with Anquan Boldin than to be sitting here with six picks, you know? Because you?d probably see some sweat on my brow.?

That Ravens have never had fewer than six picks in any draft, and it?s quite possible this year won?t be any different. Two years ago, Newsome dealt the eighth overall selection to Jacksonville for four picks, then worked another trade to land quarterback Joe Flacco at No. 18.

A year ago, Baltimore was slotted at 26, but Newsome moved up three notches to take offensive tackle Michael Oher(notes), who immediately became a starter. Later in the draft, Newsome traded down to collect more picks.

The Ravens could target Terrence Cody of Alabama with the 25th pick. Defensive tackle Dwan Edwards(notes) signed with Buffalo as a free agent and end Trevor Pryce will be 35 in August.

?I think Cody?s just a guy you can?t move,? said Eric DeCosta, the Ravens director of player personnel. ?He?s a 350-pound guy, very strong at the point of attack, a deceptive athlete (with) very good feet in a short area.?

Or, since cornerbacks Fabian Washington(notes) and Lardarius Webb are both coming off season-ending knee injuries, Newsome could select pass-cover specialist Devin McCourty of Rutgers.

Then again, tight end Jermaine Gresham of Oklahoma would give coach John Harbaugh an ideal bookend opposite 30-year-old Todd Heap.

Or Newsome may go entirely in another direction, staying true to his ?best player available? credo that in the past garnered Oher, linebacker Ray Lewis(notes) at No. 26, safety Ed Reed(notes) at 24 and Heap with the final pick in the first round of the 2001 draft.

?Since I?ve been here, the one thing I?ve learned is when you?re picking in the 20s, the draft really does not unfold for you until you get past 15 picks,? Newsome said. ?The first 15 picks, we?re just sitting there and we?re taking a guess as to who?s going to pick who and who?s going where. But after those first 15 picks, then the draft starts to crystallize itself for us and we can start to go into targeting players that we think will have the opportunity to make it.?

That?s when Newsome pounces. And even though the Ravens don?t have many 2010 draft picks to barter, that doesn?t mean he won?t be on the phone in the middle of the opening round.

?We had six picks last year and we traded up and got Michael,? Newsome said. ?There are a lot of ways you can build your football team, and if we feel like someone starts to come down the board and he can impact our football team, impact it in a way that we can afford to do some other things on our roster, then yeah, we will move up and get that guy.

?You just never know. You just have to be prepared to go either way.?

By the time the draft begins, the Ravens will have spent hundreds of hours preparing their list of potential picks. And after all that, the quality of their initial selection might just might come down to a twist of fate.

?We weren?t planning on drafting Ed Reed (in 2002),? DeCosta said. ?We were going to draft somebody else, and he got picked. And it was a player that we had ranked higher than Ed, quite honestly. Ed was our 24th player, I think. We drafted 24th that year, and we got the best player in the draft. So, there is an element of luck to this thing. Sometimes you need to get lucky.?

many of the raven fan boards are claiming that the scuttlebutt is that the ravens really love wilson(or joe haden in the highly unlikely event he falls this far) ...

db/dl/te.....or maybe trade down for more picks...

can`t wait...
 

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GW, either can I.


As NFL Draft looms, Osi Umenyiora trade rumors pick up

By Mike Garafolo/The Star-Ledger

April 19, 2010, 1:02PM

Ron Antonelli/New York Daily NewsOsi Umenyiora's tenuous status with the Giants this offseason could reach a resolution this week as the NFL Draft approaches.Anyone who thought Osi Umenyiora's situation was put to rest when he showed up for the Giants' offseason workouts was brought back to reality this past weekend with a pair of reports that indicated the team would be interested in moving the two-time Pro Bowl selection for the right price.

The first report came from ESPN's Chris Mortensen, who wrote on his Twitter account he places the odds of Umenyiora being dealt at 60-40. The second report came from the National Football Post, who said the Giants would likely get calls from teams about Osi if they take South Florida DE Jason Pierre-Paul with the 15th overall pick.

The NFP's report makes a lot of sense, as the Giants drafting Pierre-Paul, who visited last week, would give them an entire day to work out a deal with the Rams for the 33rd pick at the start of the second round. (Remember, only the first round takes place on Thursday night under the new format.) I would think Pierre-Paul (or Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan in the unlikely event he falls to the Giants) would be a prerequisite for moving Umenyiora. After all, I can't see this team letting their best pass rusher go without first picking up a player at the same position. I just can't.

Here's what I do know: the Giants weren't entertaining offers for Umenyiora back at the Senior Bowl and the scouting combine, according to someone informed of talks between the team and a few other clubs. The person, who requested anonymity because the discussions were to remain private, said the Panthers and Rams were the most interested in making a deal for Umenyiora. St. Louis was clearly spurred by coach and former Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, while Carolina knew it was about to lose Julius Peppers to free agency.

This past weekend, Mortensen mentioned both the Panthers and Rams as potential suitors while tossing in the Dolphins as well. Miami runs a 3-4 defense but could certainly find use for Umenyiora as a pass rusher. How exactly the Dolphins will be able to swing a deal for Umenyiora remains somewhat of a mystery, as they don't have a second-round pick to trade. What they do have is the 12th overall pick, so perhaps they could work out a package that would include Umenyiora and allow the Giants to move up three slots.

If these latest reports are accurate -- and I have no reason to believe they're not -- it makes me wonder what changed since February when the Giants were telling teams they're not ready to move Umenyiora and when they were saying both publicly and privately in meetings with the disgruntled end he's an integral part of their future. Maybe they're worried about how he can coexist with Mathias Kiwanuka, who is making waves recently about his wanting to remain a starter. Perhaps they have concerns about Umenyiora's hip. Or maybe it's becoming evident during draft meetings they're high on Pierre-Paul and Morgan and believe they have a shot to land one of them.

Bottom line: this situation always seemed like a draft-day scenario waiting to play out and that apparently hasn't changed. And again, whether Umenyiora remains in blue could very well hinge on the Giants' first pick and if they're able to grab a player they feel could one day be their new dominant pass rusher.

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One other report to address (that I actually meant to highlight on Friday but got tied up with a story on Rahway native Jason Worilds) was this one from DraftInsider.net that says the Giants aren't sold on Alabama LB Rolando McClain and the team prefers Missouri LB Sean Weatherspoon.

First things first, the Weatherspoon part of that report would stun me. They've shown no indications they're interested in him and I'm not sure where he fits into their plans on defense. He's not a middle linebacker, which is what they need.

As for McClain, that doesn't seem to be completely off the mark from what I'm hearing. While I'm not saying they will pass on him, I do hear recent discussions about McClain in the Giants' draft meetings have been interesting. I'm told it's not quite the slam dunk we once made it out to be. In other words, there are some mixed opinions on McClain. DraftInsider.net says some teams feel he's "soft." While I haven't quite heard that word, I do know some are concerned with McClain's impact and the number of plays he made in his college career.

I'll continue to keep my finger on the pulse there to see what else I can pick up as draft day approaches.
 

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GW, i have read at a few places that Pitt. is also very high on Wilson, so I think if Balt. wants him, they will have to trade up.....& they have no shot at Haden....I think.
 

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GW, i have read at a few places that Pitt. is also very high on Wilson, so I think if Balt. wants him, they will have to trade up.....& they have no shot at Haden....I think.

i think you`re right,ar.....that`s why i suspect,if they can,they`ll trade down for more picks....

do you like the new weeknight format?...
 

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i think you`re right,ar.....that`s why i suspect,if they can,they`ll trade down for more picks....

do you like the new weeknight format?...

No, not at all. Out here in previous years it used to start on Saturdays at 9am....Now it cuts into my dinner time.....But money talks & they get a primetime start with this & can charge more money for the advertising....The NFL is a moneymaking machine with no apparent limit.
 

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first off,i liked the weekend format much better...used to make a weekend of it when they had the all day saturday and sunday show....

i`m sure it`s ratings driven...just not crazy about the primetime,3-day set-up...

some things are better left alone...just my opinon...

exactly my opinion too...
 

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Talk increases that Rams would trade down on the cheap

Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2010 6:53 AM ET

The draft is two days away, and there's growing talk in league circles that the Rams would be willing to trade out of the No. 1 overall selection for a package far less than the outdated draft trade chart would require.

The thinking is that, if the Rams stay put, they'd feel compelled to take quarterback Sam Bradford with the No. 1 overall pick. But there's a concern that Bradford, who hasn't played much football since 2008, will end up on the bench for most if not all of 2010, while A.J. Feeley or Keith Null or someone else takes the snaps. (Then there's the whole "exploding shoulder" thing and the whole "spread offense" thing, which Bradford tried unconvincingly to explain away during a Monday interview on Jim Rome Is Burning.)

Some believe that the Rams, who have won six games in three years, would prefer to pick a player who can step right in and play -- and if they can acquire more picks or, perhaps even better, extra players who can immediately contribute, it would be a bonus.

Then there's the value that comes from stepping away from having to fork over the record contract that the first overall pick will receive, especially if it's a quarterback.

So who would trade up? The primary candidates are the Redskins (No. 4), the Browns (No. 7), and possibly the Seahawks (No. 6).

And for those of you who think that the Redskins wouldn't pick a quarterback in round one, the one quarterback they'd potentially pick is Bradford, whom offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan would begin to develop behind the scenes, potentially with the idea of coach Mike Shanahan engineering a torch-passing to Kyle after two or three seasons with Donovan McNabb at the helm.

For the Rams, the biggest question is whether they'd be willing to take the heat for taking a package that would pale in comparison to the deals done in past years at the top of round one. Given that the Rams have suffered through far greater indignities of late relating to and arising from on-field performance (or lack thereof), they should be thrilled to be criticized for making a move that potentially will improve their current circumstances significantly.
 

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The New York Giants will not be peddling pass rusher Osi Umenyiora this week, according to Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News.

Umenyiora has made no secret of the fact that he?s not happy in his current role after losing his starting job last season to Mathias Kiwanuka. In fact, Umenyiora has said he will retire if he doesn?t get his starting gig back. And pass up that money? Sure.

While all of this might make Umenyiora seem like a perfect candidate to be shipped out, Vacchiano reports that isn?t happening. The hope is that two years after reconstructive knee surgery, Umenyiora will be ready to flourish in the new defense being run by Perry Fewell.

The other issue, as the report states, is that Umenyiora is on the hook for only a little more than $10 million over the next three seasons. That is a bargain for a pass rusher and if he regains his form, it?s a bargain the Giants can enjoy.
 

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good info,ar...thanks for posting...

just laid in my draft magazine:grins: ...best bathroom reading material are those pre-draft magazines...

if you`re a serious football fan,you`re probably a draft geek...
 

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If not Bradford, who?



Predictions are a tricky thing this time of year. The information you get one minute is contradicted by another report just a few minutes later. Whether or not the St. Louis Rams are/will try to negotiate a contract with Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford, widely assumed to be the Rams' choice for the first overall pick, is the current example of contradictory rumors.

Let's set aside all that for minute, and take a look at the possibilities for the Rams if they don't go with Bradford with the first pick in the draft. Something that's still a possibility, whether or not the trade whispers carry much water.

No Bradford means the Rams enter the season with A.J. Feeley, Keith Null and Mike Reilly as their quarterbacks, which would be fine if the team is looking to go from 1 win to zero in 2010. Marc Bulger is gone, released as the franchise starts to turn the page and begin a new chapter. Null and Reilly are both projects, talented guys who need plenty of development before they're ready to be signal callers at the NFL level. Feeley is the epitome of a backup, and he hasn't played since 2007. The Rams need a quarterback, so if they don't draft Bradford what will they do for 2010?

Star-divide

Jimmy Clausen
Though you may have forgotten about it in all the Bradford talk, the Rams still consider Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen a potential top pick in the draft. If this Cleveland trade did come to fruition, then it's very possible the Rams could pick Clausen...or trade down again to some other team looking to secure their own QB of the future. The Rams would have to value Clausen similarly to how they value Bradford to make this move. They'd save money on the contract by trading down, but how steep is the drop off?

Colt McCoy
Draft analyst Rob Rang talked a lot about the Rams having Colt McCoy ranked pretty highly internally as part of the conversation about Cleveland trading up for the first pick. Maybe they really do value McCoy pretty highly. The question I have if they go this route is how far away is McCoy from being able to handle starting duties? He's a spread QB too, remember, but isn't quite as complete of a package as Bradford. Does Feeley start a full season?

Veteran help
Though the free agent market for QBs was pretty weak (not that it's ever very good), there are still a few options currently occupying space on some rosters out there. The most notable example is Jason Campbell, who the Redskins would certainly take offers for later this week. I'm sure there are other trade options out there but nothing comes to mind immediately after Campbell...that's telling. Many of the options wouldn't be much better than Marc Bulger. Why would they go that route if they could have just hung onto Bulger for another season? A trade with the Browns could throw in either Seneca Wallace or Jake Delhomme...how exciting is that?

Draft a QB in the later rounds
Very unlikely. Adding a third developmental QB to the roster just doesn't make much sense.

The most viable options here are Colt McCoy or trading for Jason Campbell. One gives the Rams a young QB to build around, the other gives them a decent stopgap solution, delaying the inevitable.

Rumors and innuendo about the first overall pick will continue fill the air until Thursday night. What will not change is how much the Rams need a franchise QB. If the Rams have McCoy graded as highly as Bradford, or pretty close, then that's the only way they can legitimately make a trade. The talking heads can say whatever, I'm still convinced that the Rams will be drafting Sam Bradford.
 

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The Patriots have reportedly agreed to terms with WR Torry Holt, formerly of the Jaguars, on a one-year, $1.7 million contract.

The Patriots have a habit of signing veterans looking for a last chance at ring, so it's not surprising that 34-year-old Holt would land in New England. It's not a great fit, though. Julian Edelman can hold down the slot until Wes Welker returns, and the Pats need a playmaking receiver opposite Randy Moss. The signing shouldn't preclude them from adding a receiver with an early-round pick.
 

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The Steelers acquired QB Byron Leftwich from the Bucs in exchange for a seventh-round pick, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.


It's no coincidence that Ben Roethlisberger's suspension is expected to be handed down on Wednesday. Charlie Batch is no longer a realistic starting option, and Leftwich played well in Bruce Arians' offense back in 2008. Lefty will push Dennis Dixon and provide insurance in case the young quarterback stumbles in preseason action. He could end up starting 2-4 games early in the season.
 

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Giants plotting a trade up for Spiller?




The New York Giants have made sure they know how to stay in touch with C.J. Spiller.

That has prompted speculation that the Giants could call the name of the Clemson running back when their turn comes tonight with the 15th pick of the first round. Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News reported that the Giants, who had no prior contact with Spiller, called earlier this week to make certain they had the right cell phone number for him.

Many believe the Giants will seek to bolster their defense with a lineman or linebacker, but there is also a school of thought that they will hold out hope that Spiller falls to them, or even consider a trade up to grab him.

New York?s running game was stuck in neutral much of last season, and Spiller would provide a dynamic option, especially if he could be paired with a rejuvenated Brandon Jacobs. Of course, a lot of teams have made certain they have a means to reach Spiller. Stay tuned.
 
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