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Yeah forget murph.......bring on KOSAR!!!!!!!! I'd totally be up for that.
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Btw Murph sounds like you could use a little education regarding global warming.
I'll open up a new thread to help you guys out. Oh, one more thing....no need to thank me, that's what Uncle Charlie is here for.
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Btw Murph sounds like you could use a little education regarding global warming.
I'll open up a new thread to help you guys out. Oh, one more thing....no need to thank me, that's what Uncle Charlie is here for.
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I guess we could say oil does come into the mix here. But maybe we will find out someday it was to be closer to Saudis. Dam with 60% of the worlds supply of oil in that region. It has to be in the program someplace. I just don't think this administration ever thought they would have so much trouble that none would get export for such a long time. Kind-a like when Bush said mission accomplished two years two soon, maybe three. We just don't know when this mission will end.
It seems to me that if W campaigned for it hard enough, he could make a case (like WMD, etc) for taking oil from Iraq to help us with the enormous costs of this operation. i know that doesn't make tremendous sense, but I think he could convince taxpayers that taking their oil to pay of debts would be palatable. Most people think with their pocketbooks anyway.
The United States hasn't built a U.S. oil refinery in over 30 years. Bush want's to start drilling in a tiny piece of real estate in upper upper alaska and the liberals are all up in arms. Then they bitch about gas prices. I don't know about you but I'd rather find and process my own oil rather than buy it from terrorists.
Drilling in ANWAR is a temporary solution that wouldn't even start to kick in for 7 years. Depending on which data to believe (same problem with most environmental topics), the supply will not last very long and the cost will be much higher than the cheap stuff we import.
I suppose we could completely cater to the oil companies and get rid of every pollution standard that has made this country a much better place to breath than it was 30 years ago. Then they would build more refineries and make more money. The only reason they don't build more is because their too cheap to pay for standards that are required.
I agree about being sick of buying oil from terrorists. We all should be. One way or another, part of our solution has got to be conservation.
I suppose we could completely cater to the oil companies and get rid of every pollution standard that has made this country a much better place to breath than it was 30 years ago. Then they would build more refineries and make more money. The only reason they don't build more is because their too cheap to pay for standards that are required.
I agree about being sick of buying oil from terrorists. We all should be. One way or another, part of our solution has got to be conservation.
FACT - The caribu population tripled last time we started drilling in the tundra.
The cost will be "much higher" murph?? I'm begging you to explain that one. Since ANWAR is what you refer to as a "temporary solution", I'd also be very curious to know what arternative solutions yourself and the other democrats are proposing. You guys do have better plans right?? Will we ever hear them? I doubt it.
And what's your gripe about a 7 year wait??? BIG WOW. This is like a broken record. Everytime the Bush administration tries to take some action, the liberals instantly shoot down his ideas but consistently fail to offer alternatives. This is why the democrats lost the election. No plan. No ideas. Only critisizing the ideas that they didn't have the brains or balls to think of themselves.
The supply will not last very long? What are you talking about? We can pull the same amount of oil out of ANWAR each day that we purchase from the Saudis. Yeah, bad idea.
The cost will be "much higher" murph?? I'm begging you to explain that one. Since ANWAR is what you refer to as a "temporary solution", I'd also be very curious to know what arternative solutions yourself and the other democrats are proposing. You guys do have better plans right?? Will we ever hear them? I doubt it.
And what's your gripe about a 7 year wait??? BIG WOW. This is like a broken record. Everytime the Bush administration tries to take some action, the liberals instantly shoot down his ideas but consistently fail to offer alternatives. This is why the democrats lost the election. No plan. No ideas. Only critisizing the ideas that they didn't have the brains or balls to think of themselves.
The supply will not last very long? What are you talking about? We can pull the same amount of oil out of ANWAR each day that we purchase from the Saudis. Yeah, bad idea.
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I have said for a long time that (I first heard this from enviro-lawyer Robert Kennedy Jr. before checking the numbers myself) that if we increased our fuel effeciency by 50%, we would have no need for Middle East oil. When you consider how many cars, trucks and SUV's get only 10-20 mpgs, it's not too hard to fathom 15-30 mpg's instead. It's do-able, but requires a little bit of sacrifice on our end as well as the automakers. 50% improvement is my plan. Unfortunately those who speak of these things don't seem to get very far.
It's not just L-words against Alaska drilling. Plenty of Republicans have also voted against it for a long time - both for fiscal as well as environmental reasons. I won't dig up the sources now - maybe later - on estimated returns and costs of drilling. Most reasonable estimates are not that good. Anywhere from 3-12 years of supply (I'm not sure of these, but I know it wasn't so promising), given our current useage. The oil we would get from there would not be as easily refined as the ME stuff. It will be expensive.
You are always bashing Democrats for offering no ideas. You are starting to sound as whiny and repetitive and those you criticize. And you do realize that the reason they appear to not come up with anything is because nothing they do come up with has a chance in hell of passing. All they can hope for is filbusters and compromises. Just sort of the way it is when you are outnumbered in every branch. At least there are some centrists like McCain willing to compromise as well.
It's not just L-words against Alaska drilling. Plenty of Republicans have also voted against it for a long time - both for fiscal as well as environmental reasons. I won't dig up the sources now - maybe later - on estimated returns and costs of drilling. Most reasonable estimates are not that good. Anywhere from 3-12 years of supply (I'm not sure of these, but I know it wasn't so promising), given our current useage. The oil we would get from there would not be as easily refined as the ME stuff. It will be expensive.
You are always bashing Democrats for offering no ideas. You are starting to sound as whiny and repetitive and those you criticize. And you do realize that the reason they appear to not come up with anything is because nothing they do come up with has a chance in hell of passing. All they can hope for is filbusters and compromises. Just sort of the way it is when you are outnumbered in every branch. At least there are some centrists like McCain willing to compromise as well.
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smurphy said:
The truth hurts, I know. But being the reasonable gentleman I am, I will make you a promise right now, just for you murph........
If the liberals will stop the daily non-productive obstructing and bashing of our elected president and start coming up with some alternative solutions and positive ideas, then I myself vow to quit pointing out their whining, blaming, crying, bitching and fingerpointing.
(btw McCain supports drilling in ANWAR so I am glad you mentioned him)
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Hey, I can respect people I don't agree with. I'm personally against the drilling, but can live with it. I just believe that we will eventually find ourselves back where we started (maybe sooner than later). If it buys some valuable time and doesn't cause too much damage to my precious mother earth, I won't be crying.
I feel we are making progress, Manson. Compromises all over the place between you and I. :mj14:
I feel we are making progress, Manson. Compromises all over the place between you and I. :mj14:
Murph you're making it very difficult for me to dislike you lol. I don't think you are as far to the left as I originally thought you were and I'm finding it odd that we agree on quite a bit. Thanks for debating like an adult. cheers.
Yeah, every Floridian politician (EVEN Repubs) oppose drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico. That includes Jeb Bush. Wonder why? Just take a look at the filthy Teas and Louisiana coastlines and it doesn't take even a Manson to figure it out - well, that might be stretching it a bit.
About that trip to Vegas. There is no way I would waste any precious free time in Vegas with you or Manson. Sure. I have an engineering degree so I'm pretty sure when it comes to any kind of intellectual test with you it would be a complete slaughter.
You are very amusing Mr. English Professor.
You are very amusing Mr. English Professor.
Ferdville accuses me of not posting facts. I have never seen him post a single fact on any matter while I have posted links innumerable times at MJs. Oh but here are some commas for him :,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Which reminds me of an old joke. What do Ronald Reagan and a typewriter have in common?
They both have a semi-colon. Arrr, arrr, arrr! This joke came out after Ronnie was shot and had to have part of his colon removed. Hey, I didn't make it up. Just reporting. (This one will probably give Manson an aneurysm).
Which reminds me of an old joke. What do Ronald Reagan and a typewriter have in common?
They both have a semi-colon. Arrr, arrr, arrr! This joke came out after Ronnie was shot and had to have part of his colon removed. Hey, I didn't make it up. Just reporting. (This one will probably give Manson an aneurysm).
Ferd, that 3 posts for you in a row. Oops make it 4. I like to break these things up into small easy little chunks for you.
Ocelot - now I am convinced that the old truth about engineers being the most boring people on earth is indeed accurate. Since you won't waste your precious time coming to Vegas (you could ride a horse so as not to add to global warming), why do you waste your so-called precious time answering all my posts? Is it because you have no precious time or that the precious time you spend here is different than the precious time it would take you to ride your horse to Vegas?
And you didn't use 4 posts to make it easy for me to read, you did it because you forgot my advice to write a rough draft first. Computers are wonderful things. You can cut and paste (oops - you know how to do that only too well).
You still have a problem with commas. You are also far too prone to write in sentence fragments. Where did that degree come from or did they not require you to write anything? Thank God for multiple choice questions. As far as the facts are concerned (I also noted an error where subject/verb didn't agree), I don't need to post links with everything I write. Unlike some others, I read from a variety of sources with differing viewpoints and try to make some sense of it. It is always fun with you. Try reading what the other side has to say. Don't go to Rush McNabb or Ann Coulter or the like, try the more intellectual Republicans that don't talk just to make money. Actually, one of my favorite columnists is Thomas Sowell. He is fairly balanced, I believe, and often provokes some serious thought.
Despite what you say, I know your brain is about to burst with anger. You formerly would come on board to post a couple of times a week, now you are here almost every day. What happened to that "precious time"?
I will give you a break for a few days as I am going to Vegas for a long weekend to attend a convention of idiots. I am the head idiot. In fact, village idiots from all over the world will be there. I heard that Freeze and DTB are coming. We like to make fun of engineers (toot, toot). So, I won't be posting for several days.
Use that precious time to relax, compose yourself, have a drink, maybe get laid. In other words, enjoy yourself and rid your body of all the hatred you have inside. Did your mom force toilet training on you before you were ready?
Seriously, take some time off to enjoy life. You are too uptight and angry. Open your mind up to the scant possibility that there are other people who may have legitimate opinions, too. Use this respite to find softer, more gentler methods of expressing your viewpoints. There is no need to call people names or use profane language. This only serves to diminish the effect of your post. If you truly want to get a message to the great unwashed you cannot be some belligerent.
I can understand you not wanting to waste your precious time with me or Manson. I am not a chemical engineer. I am 19 and still haven't graduated from high school yet, but since I am a special ed student, I have until I am 21 to finish high school. That is one degree I will be proud of, although, I am also proud of the fact that I graduated from middle school 95th in a class of 98. I can only imagine what it takes to ascend to your level of education. Congrats to you - you are a role model for all of us at Madjack's.
Therefore, my friend Ocelot, as much as I enjoy jousting with you, I propose a truce. It is just becoming too cumbersome to carry on this petty feud. I am about to have a month's vacation and I want to enjoy it without feeling it necessary to defend myself against defamatory name calling,though I do admit that you are not the first to call me a peckerwood. Out in these parts, if you are a "peckerwood" it means you are a white guy who has served time in prison. Unlike Manson, I was framed by the Gestapo we call police in our state. In deference to your advanced education, I will cease and desist antagonizing, irritating or otherwise being a thorn in your side. If I answer one of your posts I will refrain from personal attacks and simply state my opinion. I will not use vulgur language or call you names. I will wish you a good day. But I still am more afraid of Kosar.
And you didn't use 4 posts to make it easy for me to read, you did it because you forgot my advice to write a rough draft first. Computers are wonderful things. You can cut and paste (oops - you know how to do that only too well).
You still have a problem with commas. You are also far too prone to write in sentence fragments. Where did that degree come from or did they not require you to write anything? Thank God for multiple choice questions. As far as the facts are concerned (I also noted an error where subject/verb didn't agree), I don't need to post links with everything I write. Unlike some others, I read from a variety of sources with differing viewpoints and try to make some sense of it. It is always fun with you. Try reading what the other side has to say. Don't go to Rush McNabb or Ann Coulter or the like, try the more intellectual Republicans that don't talk just to make money. Actually, one of my favorite columnists is Thomas Sowell. He is fairly balanced, I believe, and often provokes some serious thought.
Despite what you say, I know your brain is about to burst with anger. You formerly would come on board to post a couple of times a week, now you are here almost every day. What happened to that "precious time"?
I will give you a break for a few days as I am going to Vegas for a long weekend to attend a convention of idiots. I am the head idiot. In fact, village idiots from all over the world will be there. I heard that Freeze and DTB are coming. We like to make fun of engineers (toot, toot). So, I won't be posting for several days.
Use that precious time to relax, compose yourself, have a drink, maybe get laid. In other words, enjoy yourself and rid your body of all the hatred you have inside. Did your mom force toilet training on you before you were ready?
Seriously, take some time off to enjoy life. You are too uptight and angry. Open your mind up to the scant possibility that there are other people who may have legitimate opinions, too. Use this respite to find softer, more gentler methods of expressing your viewpoints. There is no need to call people names or use profane language. This only serves to diminish the effect of your post. If you truly want to get a message to the great unwashed you cannot be some belligerent.
I can understand you not wanting to waste your precious time with me or Manson. I am not a chemical engineer. I am 19 and still haven't graduated from high school yet, but since I am a special ed student, I have until I am 21 to finish high school. That is one degree I will be proud of, although, I am also proud of the fact that I graduated from middle school 95th in a class of 98. I can only imagine what it takes to ascend to your level of education. Congrats to you - you are a role model for all of us at Madjack's.
Therefore, my friend Ocelot, as much as I enjoy jousting with you, I propose a truce. It is just becoming too cumbersome to carry on this petty feud. I am about to have a month's vacation and I want to enjoy it without feeling it necessary to defend myself against defamatory name calling,though I do admit that you are not the first to call me a peckerwood. Out in these parts, if you are a "peckerwood" it means you are a white guy who has served time in prison. Unlike Manson, I was framed by the Gestapo we call police in our state. In deference to your advanced education, I will cease and desist antagonizing, irritating or otherwise being a thorn in your side. If I answer one of your posts I will refrain from personal attacks and simply state my opinion. I will not use vulgur language or call you names. I will wish you a good day. But I still am more afraid of Kosar.
Oil will not be a problem as alternative fuels kick in. We should be the leader in these. More money should have went to them starting back in 1973. But oil always wins out. Our real worry will be water someday. I wonder how long we will wait to see that does not happen.
We are losing a tremendous amount of future monies and technology edge by not stepping to forefront on alternative energies.
Imagine if we sat back and let Japan or Europe lead the way in computer, internet, and communications technologies over the last 20 years? Look how much wealth, respect, and economic security was created for this country.
We are letting big oil's short term glutony (this includes Dubya and Cheney) have their way with us at the expense of everyone else.
Imagine if we sat back and let Japan or Europe lead the way in computer, internet, and communications technologies over the last 20 years? Look how much wealth, respect, and economic security was created for this country.
We are letting big oil's short term glutony (this includes Dubya and Cheney) have their way with us at the expense of everyone else.
....and same could be said for bio-research because of the fundamentalists' influence.
It's a shame, we have given a lot up lately. We could really have used those edges to help climb out of the stiffling deficit.
All better pray the bubble don't burst. We haven't allowed ourselves much of a safety net. Theoretically, real estate gains cannot sustain the economy.
It's a shame, we have given a lot up lately. We could really have used those edges to help climb out of the stiffling deficit.
All better pray the bubble don't burst. We haven't allowed ourselves much of a safety net. Theoretically, real estate gains cannot sustain the economy.
