I sure am happy more and more folks see it my way to dump Cheney. Even Fox has to ad-mitt Cheney gets only 44% backing from his Republicans. Other polls show him dropping below that. I might even vote Bush if he takes Powell. Laities poll there show Bush with Powell wins very big. I wonder if Bush has got the balls.
Dump Cheney Move Gaining
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Powell would be a great improvement, obviously, but the problem with the VP position is that they can have as much or as little influence as the Pres wants. We've already seen Powell treated like a flunky as the Secretary of State and i'm not sure that would change much. As long as Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and Ashcroft are around then I think it would be unlikely that a rational, intelligent man like Powell would have much of a say in anything. Bush can probably save this election if he does it though.
No matter who Bush choses for VP will wipe out the sins of this administration. There should be no question that Cheney should be fired. But it is too late now to change anything. Hundreds of American soldiers lost their lives because of the folly of this administration. Powell played a big part in it. Powell was the one who went to the UN showing his satelite photos telling them he knew Hussein had WMD. Either he was duped or he is as crooked as the rest of them.
Here is a question. Let us say that we really thought Hussein had WMD and he had poison chemicals. Wasn't it a bit reckless to go in there bombing like we did. What kind of havoc would have been set loose if in fact we hit a bunker of this crap? How many people would have been poisoned then?
I doubt very much that anyone in this administration ever believed we they had WMD to begin with. Remember the worse things go over there the better it is for Halliburton. So far they are doing pretty good with their open ended contract.
Here is a question. Let us say that we really thought Hussein had WMD and he had poison chemicals. Wasn't it a bit reckless to go in there bombing like we did. What kind of havoc would have been set loose if in fact we hit a bunker of this crap? How many people would have been poisoned then?
I doubt very much that anyone in this administration ever believed we they had WMD to begin with. Remember the worse things go over there the better it is for Halliburton. So far they are doing pretty good with their open ended contract.
i don't know where you are getting that the dump cheney campaign is gaining momentum.
just because damato & some dems have said that bush should drop cheney, doesn't mean a thing.
cheney is bush's link to the conservatives, & since the cons. are to the republicans what the liberals are to the democrats, cheney isn't going anywhere.
and imo it doesn't matter who runs with bush.
the american public will not elect a liberal as the president. especially after 9/11.
and thats too bad for the democrats. because bush is very vulnerable to lose this election.
just because damato & some dems have said that bush should drop cheney, doesn't mean a thing.
cheney is bush's link to the conservatives, & since the cons. are to the republicans what the liberals are to the democrats, cheney isn't going anywhere.
and imo it doesn't matter who runs with bush.
the american public will not elect a liberal as the president. especially after 9/11.
and thats too bad for the democrats. because bush is very vulnerable to lose this election.
StevieD said:
I believe he was duped, or at the very least went along with the program as part of his job. They shoved him out there on the world stage and had him try to sell a bunch of unsubstantiated bullshit to the U.N. There has been constant conflict between his office and the pentagon and I think for good reason. He's never seemed the least bit comfortable working for this lying, crooked current admin. Yes, he could have quit, but I can see why somebody wouldn't do that, even given the circumsyances.
AR182 said:
AR,
If DJV is correct in that Fox is reporting 44% approval of Cheney from republicans, then I think that's pretty significant. That's horrible, if it's true.
As far as the public not electing a 'liberal', your confidence kind of flies in the face of almost every poll. Some showing a dead heat and others showing Kerry up a few points. There is one showing Bush up by 2 points. Whatever the case, this is going to be very, very close.
And what is that bit about 'especially after 9/11'? A so-called 'liberal' wouldn't have started a war, diverting huge amounts of attention, men and money away from fighting terrorists, immediately after 9/11 against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
I also question the liberal and conservative notion during war. Who said this is a conservative war? It was Bush and his Republican Congress that cut the terrorist defense spending. Yes, that was before 9-11 but it doesn't exactly show them to have been gung ho on fighting terrorists. Besides, many conservatives are questioning this war too. It makes a great battle cry that they are tough on terrorists but I maintain that even the coke snorting Olson twin would have attacked Afaghanastan after 9-11 if she was President.
StevieD said:
No doubt, Stevie. It's baffling how people continue to tie together the debacle in Iraq with fighting terrorism and/or a response to 9/11. One has nothing to do with another. That seems obvious, but....
Why does everyone continue to refer to this administrations actions in Iraq as a war? It is more properly denominated an invasion and occupation. Now I know what the non-nazi citizens of Germany felt like in 1939.
Eddie
Eddie
Question for all...
In the land of the "free".....when did "liberal" (free-thinking) become a dirty word...We are living in Orwellian times. And Big Brother is smirking at us. 1984 is definitely worth a reread...homework for all is to borrow it from the library...(talking book for the Bush followers)
Non-conservative = Doubleplusunggood
ozball
In the land of the "free".....when did "liberal" (free-thinking) become a dirty word...We are living in Orwellian times. And Big Brother is smirking at us. 1984 is definitely worth a reread...homework for all is to borrow it from the library...(talking book for the Bush followers)
Non-conservative = Doubleplusunggood
ozball
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Oz:
I agree. Somehow the conservatives has equated the l word to the f word. They have convinced the middle that liberalism means more taxes, less guns, the death of God as we know him (sorry he/she/it), Bin Laden in Topeka, Hillary Clinton in the White House, and fags having sex on Dogs that Barks front yard in Bowling Green, Kentucky.
Give credit where credit is due. The religous right, republicans and big business has convinced many fellow moderates that being a liberal is being anti-American (I know that doesn't apply to you, maybe, anti-Canadien) and the beginning of the end. They have scared the living crap out of everybody.
Fear keeps them in power.
Eddie
I agree. Somehow the conservatives has equated the l word to the f word. They have convinced the middle that liberalism means more taxes, less guns, the death of God as we know him (sorry he/she/it), Bin Laden in Topeka, Hillary Clinton in the White House, and fags having sex on Dogs that Barks front yard in Bowling Green, Kentucky.
Give credit where credit is due. The religous right, republicans and big business has convinced many fellow moderates that being a liberal is being anti-American (I know that doesn't apply to you, maybe, anti-Canadien) and the beginning of the end. They have scared the living crap out of everybody.
Fear keeps them in power.
Eddie
Ar182,
I think you could be wrong about electing a liberal because of 9/11, personally I think many people are looking at it the other way around! Whome would you rather having leading the country a man whom actually went to Vietnam and fought or two guys that went into hiding, one cant pinpoint where he was and the other took 7 deferrments! Personally I think they all suck no matter if it's Kerry or Bush both are pretty much worthless!
I think you could be wrong about electing a liberal because of 9/11, personally I think many people are looking at it the other way around! Whome would you rather having leading the country a man whom actually went to Vietnam and fought or two guys that went into hiding, one cant pinpoint where he was and the other took 7 deferrments! Personally I think they all suck no matter if it's Kerry or Bush both are pretty much worthless!
Maybe somebody with more political insight could explain the quote below by Colin Powel in his book......and how he could possibly serve/run with GWB if he honestly feels this way and is true to his ideals?
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"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed ... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units .... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country" (Colin Powell, My American Journey, p. 148)
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"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed ... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units .... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country" (Colin Powell, My American Journey, p. 148)
He speaks the tuth. To bad more of them don't join him. These folks look the other way when it comes to certain levels of power.
djv,
i just got this off the drudge report.
thought that you might find this interesting even though this is pure speculation.
NYT PAGE ONE THURS: BUSH TO DROP CHENEY GOSSIP
Wed Jul 14 2004 18:21:14 ET
The latest theory about Vice President Dick Cheney's future on the Republican ticket, advanced privately by prominent Democrats, including members of Congress, holds that Cheney recently dropped his personal doctor because of drug addiction so that he could hire a new one, who will conveniently tell him in August that his heart problems have made him unfit to run with Bush!
So reports the NEW YORK TIMES, in a planned Front Page story on Thursday.
Reporter Elisabeth Bumiller is set to kick the gossip into high gear with a 1,600-word speculative, newsroom sources tell DRUDGE.
Developing...
i just got this off the drudge report.
thought that you might find this interesting even though this is pure speculation.
NYT PAGE ONE THURS: BUSH TO DROP CHENEY GOSSIP
Wed Jul 14 2004 18:21:14 ET
The latest theory about Vice President Dick Cheney's future on the Republican ticket, advanced privately by prominent Democrats, including members of Congress, holds that Cheney recently dropped his personal doctor because of drug addiction so that he could hire a new one, who will conveniently tell him in August that his heart problems have made him unfit to run with Bush!
So reports the NEW YORK TIMES, in a planned Front Page story on Thursday.
Reporter Elisabeth Bumiller is set to kick the gossip into high gear with a 1,600-word speculative, newsroom sources tell DRUDGE.
Developing...
It's in front page. Hey Republicans can read the polls. Bush MC Cain win. Bush, Powell in a land slide. Bush, Cheney better then 50/50 they lose. MC Cain I don't believe will go this far to forgive Bush. But you never know it's all about power. It's not about you and me anymore. Even far right big Cheney supporters report to have cracks showing. They do not like Powell. And I guess everyone knows why so we need not go there. But for Control of white house they will even look the other way
