Dylan Ratigan loses it on air
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Ratigan's rant summarizes why I and a few others in here have been shouting from our megaphones for a year and half that the Citizens United ruling was the beginning of the end of Democracy as we know it.
I signed his online petition, and joined his movement. I've enjoyed him and his show for a while now, and remember him from his financial tv days. He seems to be a real straight shooter, and he really understands finance and those connections to politics.
For those that care to, his online movement is GetMoneyOut.com. Some here feel strongly for and against this, and so be it. I support the movement and the theory behind it. This 99% "occupy" movement is really taking off, too, across the country. Ratigan spoke at the NY event, after checking it out and seeing the people there and thinking it and them worthy of his support. He's an interesting guy.
For those that care to, his online movement is GetMoneyOut.com. Some here feel strongly for and against this, and so be it. I support the movement and the theory behind it. This 99% "occupy" movement is really taking off, too, across the country. Ratigan spoke at the NY event, after checking it out and seeing the people there and thinking it and them worthy of his support. He's an interesting guy.
i agree 100% with you, Chadman. Gotta let you guys in on a little secret, though.
This video is at least 3 weeks old....:mj07: :mj07:
Trench: I honestly didn't know that Citizens United abolished the whole voting process. I wonder what happened to my votes in the past year. Maybe it was a sham and there really wasn't a vote?
I THOUGHT Citizens United put corporations and unions on a level playing field in terms of being able to influence elections. One in support of those who believe in capitalism (Corps) and one in support of socialism and income redistribution (unions).
I really don't see any difference. Democracy has not ended, nor will it. It just will be more even going forward, that's all.....
No, it doesn't, Mags. In no way can the shrinking numbers of the unions hope to donate to political parties across the country in the way ALL corporations can throughout the country. It simply is not possible. You guys talk about how the union movement is dying and is shrinking, and has lost it's power on one hand, then say how it's so powerful it is on the other hand. Conveniently opportunistic flip-flopping for political points. Add this to the private Super Pacs that are now permitted so nobody really knows where the money is coming from and you have unaccountability and domination by a select few entities - THAT ONLY CARE ABOUT THOSE ENTITIES.
That being said, I think the infusion of the labor unions to this new movement is not a good thing for what I think it's supposed to mean. If this is truly about the individual - which I think initially it is/was supposed to be - then corporations nor unions should be a part of it in a substantial way.
Chad:
A number of questions for you - first your avatar...
I thought you were a Vikings fan? Why the Chiefs?
And, why in the picture of Jamaal Charles, does it show #29, when he wears #25?
OK, back to your points. I don't have an issue with BOTH corps and unions being involved. Both of the groups are made up of people who have a direct interest in the success of their organizations, but have little to no say in how their money (either capital or union dues) are used in the political process.
I think both sides, while doing too much negative type ads, do add some value by getting more information out there for the general public on the candidates (even though most of the information is slanted or even incorrect).
Getting at least some info is a good thing. Too many people vote without any info - and vote based totally on like the color of the candidate's skin, for example.
What i find most interesting (and somewhat disturbing) - everyone on hear with a liberal bent to their view, thinks that ALL corps will donate to Republicans.
http://www.followthemoney.org/database/IndustryTotals.phtml?f=0&s=0
Unions, on the other hand, are known to favor donations to Dems.
http://www.followthemoney.org/database/IndustryTotals.phtml?f=0&s=0
Unions, on the other hand, are known to favor donations to Dems.
Have to run, some quick things. First, I found the Avy online, grew up in Missouri and have always been a Chiefs fan. Not sure about the 29, I think it may have been his original number with the Chiefs and he changed but I'm not sure of that. Really a big fan of Charles, very saddened by his injury. I am a Vikes fan, due to living here for so long, and they have been fun to watch for quite a while. It's fun to get all the info all the time - and consider myself a big fan now.
I'd prefer neither corps or unions were allowed to donate. I think that is better for all of us, and would not have a problem eliminating all group donations of any kind. The Supremes are nominated by the political process, which invites trouble and money into the legal issues in many cases - i.e. "ruling" down party lines. But to add in the volume of corporate funding that will now flood the process, that is a killer to the individual, IMO. It will dwarf anything unions can do, and I don't think it's just conservatives that will be bought - far from it. ALL politicians will be bought - and that's the issue.
Dylan Ratigan - GetMoneyOut.com. That's the ticket, IMO.
Seriously Mags?
Every time one of you guys defends Citizens United, you try to make it a Republicans/Corporations vs. Democrats/Unions debate.
I'll say it one more time...
It's NOT about Republicans and Democrats. It's about the voice of the average guy being crushed by the voice (i.e. money) of the corporatists in our electoral process.
Not sure how I can make it any clearer than that. Did you even watch the Ratigan clip? How many times did he say we have a "bought Congress"?
