early breakdown/analysis/leans for saturday

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on first glance, these games look good or are worth noting in my opinion. take it all for what its worth. some of it is just "me thinking out loud to myself. take anything you find useful and gl this weekend
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miami, florida on thursday night has blowout written all over it. i really think pittsburgh will be a very "public dog" but that line is set for a reason. a perfect comparison is washington/miami last year. washington was ranked in the top 25 and miami was laying 20+ pts to them very late in the season. publics feeling was "were backing the top 25 team GETTING 20-some points" and then miami proceeded to destroy the huskies. pitt looked good in beating virginia tech, but they (pitt) are nowhere near miami's class. as a dog player, its tough for me to consider a 20+ point favorite, but that game is absolutely miami or pass imo
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have said all i need to say about michigan/osu. i respect tressel for the job he's done but the buckeyes are still a year or two away from SERIOUSLY contending for the national title. ive never before seen a #2 team play so SCARED. has anyone noticed the bucks play "not to lose"? there is no reason for the #2 team in the nation to be needing late 4th quarter rallies to defeat wisconsin, purdue, and illinois. none. the big 10 is garbage this year, and the buckeyes should not be struggling with those teams. in 2 years, tressel will have developed a true national power. but for now, theyre as phony a #2 team as you will ever see.
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northwestern actually looks semi-appealing as a rivalry doggie. my only concern is that illinois can run the ball down northwestern's throat. but i guess everyone does that to nwestern, so its not like its a surprise. and northwestern can score a little- which makes them an appealing DD home rivalry dog. theyre on my "will consider list"
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central florida looks good in the mac. for as easily as marshall moved the ball on miami's defense, central florida will expose that miami defense even more. in terms of pure talent, this game is a pick em. factor in a little home field, then take a look at the "records" and that makes your line 4/4.5. but the knights should be able to win that game SU, and even though theyve had a week and a half to try and forget it, that marshall loss will still linger and i think theres gonna be a hangover effect. ucf is not an offense you want to face if youre not prepared
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hate laying road chalk in rivalry games, especially with teams that arent very good, but kent state is such a mess right now and pees is likely gone at seasons end that akron, who does have a good offense, is worth a look at less than a TD. its a shame, but kent state has no home field edge either. they are one of the smallest drawing division 1 schools in the country, and nobody gives two shits about them. its a shame, because that could be a good program. but with cribbs done for the year, they just cant generate any offense. these teams normally play low-scoring affairs, and i dont see akron having too much of a problem with ksu, but as is the case with akron- just when you think theyre gonna show up with a good performance, they lay an egg.
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nevada is definitely worth a look. boise numbers are still inflated, and they damn near pulled off a miracle cover on saturday even though latech moved the ball on em at will. but boise is gonna be takin everyones best shot now, and laying close to 20 points away from smurf-ville is gonna be damn tough for them. nevada will be a play, but still think public will inflate boise line to 20/21 so ill wait it out
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toledo/northern illinois is about the toughest game to cap as youll find this week in my opinion. just cant see a strong play on either side. how do you go against the hottest team in the conference in basically a pick game at home? by that same token, how do you go against a toledo team that should have great success running the ball on niu as well as a toledo team that has proven they can beat very good niu teams IN dekalb in the past. both teams playing really well the last few weeks. line movement is interesting. from 3/3.5 down to 1.5. i cant see playin either team strong at all. game should be tight and i dont see it being decided by more than 4 points one way or the other
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usc/ucla line reeks. plain and simple. ucla SHOULD be overmatched and doesnt appear to be healthy enough nor have enough depth to compete with the trojans. ive always liked carson palmer and i think hes having a great year. their defense is playing great and theyve just crusing. wouldnt it be so typical of usc to stumble one week before their huge game with notre dame? if its one thing ive learned with usc in all sports its that the are maddeningly inconsistent. on paper, they should have no problem with the bruins. i dont like ucla enough to play em, but i think ucla would be the way to go for those playin the game.
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florida state/ncsu is another damn tough game. on one hand, i think ncsu is really overrated, and they basically confirmed that with their recent play. but now i think theres been a knee-jerk reaction to north carolina state, and maybe they are worth a look this saturday. i dont like going against bowden. hes one of the coaches i respect most, but with amato having ties to fsu, he knows their style and hes proven he can pull the upset vs fsu in the past. i highly doubt the line will go "up" more than what its currently at, but if it does somehow hit 6.5 or 7, i gotta strongly consider the wolfpack.
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as crazy as it sounds, bowling green minus the million points is worth a look. and ill probably play it. its a strange play i guess. laying 30+ point chalk with a team that is off 2 tough losses. but if people really understood how bad eastern michigans football program is, they would see the logic behind considering laying 30+ pts with bgsu. emu simply has zero defense and basically no offense. bowling green can name the score, and emu should prove to be the perfect elixir and tuneup for bgsu's rivalry game big game with toledo. i actually think meyer will be looking to destroy emu and re-establish some confidence with his team that 2 weeks ago was leading the entire nation in scoring. emich is a joke, and this game could get extremely ugly.
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cincy has looked great the last 3 weeks, but east coast teams traveling to the island are always walking into potential trouble. hawaii looked pretty average vs rice last week but still got the job done on the road. actually thought the line would be higher than its current 5. cincy isnt a power conference team, so the 5 is a little surprising. the line move on this game will be interesting. might grab the 5 now and try to buy some back if the number reaches 7, which i think it might.

good luck this weekend fellas. just throwing some thoughts out there mid-week.
 

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nice thoughts on these games gman2.

agree that pitt may be a dog the public is all over but I still may too. This does seem like a similar spot as the Washington game last yr xcept for the fact alot of people knew Washington had a pretty bad ATS last yr on the road and Pitt has a much better defense. Think a stout D is the way to cover against Miami, especially on a 3 td spread. Plus I know late in the yr the pressure is on a little more for teams with Nat'l championship aspirations although Miami has obviously been thru all this last yr. They did play VA Tech (similar in talent to Pitt) very close last yr around this time, albeit in Blacksburgh, but the weather was not what VA Tech hoped.

Totally agree on Ohio St and posted I would probably bet against them every game from Purdue on and that is now 2-0 ATS hoping for 3-0 after the Michigan game. Agree on the USC/UCLA game. I must admit that this USC team is not as inconsistent as the past and that has me leery of taking UCLA. The look ahead to Notre Dame may help sway me to UCLA as the media seems to want to talk about what happens if USC beats ND but not many are talking about this game.

I am waiting to see if the Hawaii line moves to 7 before I consider Cincy. Agree its tough for an east coast team to travel to the islands. This spot kind of reminds me of last yr when Miami(Oh) went there late in the yr as a 9 pt dog and the line moved to 13 by gametime. Mia(OH) traded scores and was able to easily get w/in the #. Now Hawaii is much, much better defensively but still think Cincy is a quality enough team to get w/in this #. Like the fact that Cincy seems to be playing their best fb of the yr right now and hopefully that will continue.

Just thought I would chime in w/ some thoughts of my own. gl w/ your plays this week
 

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I like your analysis, but don't agree "the Big 10 is garbage". Iowa currently is the most balanced team in the country. They would beat Ohio State, Georgia or Wash St -- maybe even Okla or Miami if they were given a shot at the title. There's no team anywhere playing better than the Hawkeyes right now.
 

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crazy horse-- cant say i disagree with anything you posted. good miami,ohio/hawaii reference. i recall that game last year and that line was all over the place. line move for this one should be interesting.

walleyek -- the big 10 is garbage reference was something i really feel summarizes the conference as a whole. out of 11 teams, it only has 4 respectable programs right now. teams like purdude/illinois/michigan state are really hurting the conference. the big 10 might only have 4 bowl eligible teams. thats pathetic.
and their recent performances in bowls also support the fact that this conference is not what it used to be

jmo. thanks for the replies
 

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Convincing analysis on Bowling Green. You may have put me onto a winner.

Keep up the good work.
 

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Gman, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on Western Michigan at Central Michigan +2.5

Like C. Mich in this spot.

The Broncos are 0-11-1 at C. Mich since their last victory in 1973.

The home team in this series has won in the last eight encounters dating to 1994.

The game plans would seem obvious for each team. The Chippewa's must stop the Broncos passing game and contain their special teams. The Broncos must stop the run plain and simple.

Who will start @ QB for C. Mich? Smith or Vickers

W. Mich is 1-8 on the season SU when they are outrushed.
 

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soulhat- that wmu/cmu game is a tough one. i doubt ill be playing it, but i think its a game that is "cmu or pass" for a few reasons.

1) the success (or lack therof) of western michigan in mt. pleasant
2) rivalry home dog is always worth a look
3) wmu looked REAL sloppy in their gm vs toledo on saturday. toledo didnt even play well at all, and they had no problem with western. the broncos are playing with no confidence right now.

that being said, cmu is pretty damn bad and they cant stop the run. wmich doesnt hammer it on the ground, so that will at least allow cmu's defense to make some stops.

just a tough game. history says cmu in this spot. laying road chalk with a team struggling doesnt make sense. but wmu still has a lot more talent and maybe thatll be enough to squeak out a win.

pass for me, with a very slight lean to the chips
 

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gman2 said:

that being said, cmu is pretty damn bad and they cant stop the run. wmich doesnt hammer it on the ground, so that will at least allow cmu's defense to make some stops.

If anything C. Mich has trouble stopping the pass:

C. Mich 138.9 yards allowed rushing vs. 268.4 pass
W. Mich 157.5 yards allowed rushing vs. 188.8 pass

C. Mich averages 4.6 yard per rush vs. 3.3 for W. Mich
 

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soulhat:
i guess in a nutshell, we can just say cmu has trouble stopping EVERYTHING, lol. youre right- by looking at the numbers, pass defense would be their weakness. basically theyre just not a tough team upfront in the trenches. they have a few nice playmakers on their team, but their overall talent is lame.

gl man
 

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nice write-ups

nice write-ups

love your take on nc st...have gone against them for 2 weeks...am ready to step back in here plus a td...and it should hit 7...kinda disagree on miami ohio...this line is tumbling based on the obvious public aspects regarding the coaches...i think they play with a chip on their shoulder in their last home game and win vs one dimensional cent mich(don`t put much credence on one game rushing total vs hapless kent st)...several games(syracuse in particular)indicate to me that balanced offeses give them real trouble...waiting for joe public to bet this down to around 3 or better...a little surprised that most think they quit here...this team played iowa tough,whipped improving cincy,won at toledo and got backdoored by no. ill. after getting out to a big lead....i think they`re to tough to throw the towel in.....g.l.
 

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we'll agree to disagree on miami/central florida. really think ucf is the right side there, but we'll see. i could be dead wrong.

im like you- ive been anti-nc state for a few weeks. now i think its time to jump back on em. i hope youre right and the number DOES hit 7. if so, wolfpack will be a solid play for me. might even consider a small moneyline play as well. both teams have been a little up and down this year- so i really see that as a very winnable game for state.

gl this weekend!
 

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I agree. Smith will only see playing time if Vickers breaks a leg or completely blows.

What are your thoughts on the game hellah?
 

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What's the matter? Mommy didn't teach you how to share? :)

Will be looking for your thoughts and input.
 

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no....i just feel its kinda rude to put info in someone else`s thread...ESPECIALLY when he`s on the other side...

:)
 

gardenweasel

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isn`t that what this is all about?

isn`t that what this is all about?

i don`t think gman posted plays to have nothing opined or just have the yes men chime in....i thought the forum was all about different opinions to assist one another before making a final determination...i totally respect gman`s analysis and if by leaning a different way on one game was being rude,then i apologize...gman,i wish you the absolute best of luck....
 

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hellah/ weasel / et al :

i havent played anything yet, and even if we were on opposite sides, were all big boys- id never be so foolish as to take offense to someone posting the opposite side in my thread.

just wanted to throw some early thoughts out there.

gl guys!
 

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wednesday notes/updates:

gotta scratch akron due to line inflation. line went from 6.5 to 8 in a day. the fact that it crossed over a key number (7) is enough to make me stay away from the game and today, it was reported that both teams basically have lame duck coaches. i expected coach owens' win over marshall to secure his spot for head coach next year but read today that the AD basically said he aint coming back next year. so there are a lot of variables to factor into this one. im scratching it for now.

ucla line is climbing to +5.5 now. lookin like the bruins are gonna be a play-on for me. cant justify that kind of road chalk in this rivalry imo. hoping line hits 6 and ill pull the trigger.

weasel- you were right, fsu is really bein bet up now, and the wolfpack are looking awfully nice as near a TD doggie now. seeing +6 at olympic. im begging fsu bettors to keep betting fsu. im hopin for a +7

also, not sure how i originally missed this game, but oklahoma looks like a good play at (-13). stoops THRIVES in these kinds of situations, and he made seneca wallace look like a high school quarterback last month. no doubt the sooners are looking to shut down kingbury. also, this is a damn tough scheduling spot for tech. to play texas and okie in back to back weeks is asking a lot, and the fact that tech upset texas makes okie even more appealing. stoops and the boys could really lay it on the raiders saturday
 

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excellent observation on oklahoma...i was kinda gliding over it,half looking at it...probably wouldn`t have moved if someone hadn`t put it in writing...they certainly can`t afford to slip up....good job
 
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