Early look at new BCS formula per Ivan Maisel

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The reign of the BCS computers is, if not over, than substantially diminished, and not a moment too soon.

The Division I-A commissioners will announce the new BCS formula Thursday, and barring a last-minute change of heart, the formula will consist of equal parts of the Associated Press media poll, the ESPN-USA Today coaches poll, and an average of six computer polls, according to executives in two I-A conferences contacted by ESPN.com.

What that means, essentially, is that if the media voters and the coaching voters agree on the identity of the top two teams in the nation, only an extremely wide variation from their vote by the host of computers employed by the BCS will change the decision of the voters.

People will again be in charge of the college football postseason. It's not a playoff, but it's the simplest, most logical alternative.

The 33-33-33 plan won out over a 40-40-20 formula, in which each of the human polls would have accounted for two-fifths of the final amount, with the computer average getting the last fifth.

The formula is being reconfigured because of the controversy over the national championship last season. USC finished the regular season No. 1 in both polls, yet finished third in the BCS standings. In that formula, the polls were combined and averaged. In the new formula, each poll will be counted, and the computer average will make up the rest.

What the commissioners had to resolve was how much the polls should count. In recent weeks, the 40-40-20 formula received a lot of attention. However, the commissioners feared that assigning 80 percent of the formula to the polls might be overcorrecting the problem. The computer average would be rendered all but meaningless.

In addition, the commissioners had some concerns that increased emphasis on the role of the AP poll may cause some newspapers to prevent their writers from voting. That concern is what caused former SEC commissioner Roy Kramer to conjure up a BCS formula in the first place.

The simplicity of the 33-33-33 plan also appealed to the commissioners in part because the fans will easily be able to figure out the BCS standings on Sunday, once the computer average is released. No more waiting for the BCS ratings to be released on Monday.

While the computer ratings used in 2004 may not be the same as those used in previous years, the last three BCS controversies probably would have been avoided if the new system had been used:

In 2000, Miami, second-ranked in both polls, not No. 3 Florida State, would have played Oklahoma. (why did he leave off Washington and how they got screwed? They BEAT MIami that year, and only lost one game all season and that was to Oregon @Oregon. If 2 teams have the same record, but one team beats that team, the team who won without question should be ranked ahead. That is my opinion.)

In 2001, No. 2 Oregon would have played No. 1 Miami, not No. 4 Nebraska. (that also was a huge joke)

And in 2003, No. 1 USC, which didn't qualify for the Sugar Bowl because the Trojans finished third in the final BCS rating, would have played No. 2 LSU. Instead, No. 3 Oklahoma played, and the sport had a split national championship for the first time since the inception of the BCS in 1998. (I don't think any team got screwed, just the fans.)


Split national championships appear to be dead -- again. Perhaps now the focus will return to the games.
 
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What a joke. The polls are the problem, not the damn solution. Why revert back to the polls, who punish too heavily for losing late in the season? We need a playoff NOW. Take the conference champions, and wild card teams to form a 16 team playoff, play the first round games at higher seeded teams home field, and use the major bowls for the 2nd round all the way to the championship game, rotating the championship game among the major bowls.
 

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:confused: Iowa Child :confused:

In 2001, Oregon would have lost to Miami worse than Nebraska did.
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What the heck are you basing that on? Lets take a look at Oregon and Nebraska.

FACTS

Nebraska lost to Colorado 62-36!!!!!!

Oregon beat Colorado 38-16!!!!!!!

Are you sure Oregon would have lost to Miami worse than Nebraska? :142lmao:
 

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Scott4USC said:
:confused: Iowa Child :confused:

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What the heck are you basing that on? Lets take a look at Oregon and Nebraska.

FACTS

Nebraska lost to Colorado 62-36!!!!!!

Oregon beat Colorado 38-16!!!!!!!

Are you sure Oregon would have lost to Miami worse than Nebraska? :142lmao:


I guess that solves that. I suppose that every team that beat Cal last year is better than USC?
 

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I guess that solves that. I suppose that every team that beat Cal last year is better than USC?

That statement does not make sense. Also you bringing up CAL and USC does not make much sense either This post was about Oregon and Nebraska. :rolleyes:

USC lost to CAL @ CAL in the beginning of the season last year. USC lost to CAL in triple overtime by 3pts. In addition, last year was a rebuilding year for USC and USC was starting a first year starting QB.

Nebraska was BLOWN OUT by Colorado at the END OF THE SEASON and Nebraska was awarded a trip to the National Title game. Oregon blew out Colorado in their bowl game. I think Oregon proved they were a better and more worthy team than Nebraska.

Let me spell it out to you KOSAR. Both Nebraska and Oregon played Colorado and both played Colorado at the end of the year. Both wanted to be in the title game, and Nebraska was chosen ahead of Oregon. MANY people including me felt that Oregon should have been chosen. Oregon beating CO soundly in their bowl game and Nebraska losing badly to Miami proved our point that Oregon deserved to go to the title game over Nebraska.
 

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You can't use one common opponent as some sort of proof that Oregon was more worthy. It would be just as stupid to say that XYZ beat Cal and USC didn't (major choke job as usual for USC), so XYZ was better than USC.
 

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i have to agree with you guys, i think the Miami/Nebraska matchup would of still been better than the Miami/Oregon. Oregon was a damn good team, but they didn't play anybody really tough that year on the road....

doesnt this forum belong in Ncaa football anyways??? talk about off topic...
 

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Oregon was a damn good team, but they didn't play anybody really tough that year on the road....

Oregon beat 2 top 25 ranked opponents on the road. #15 and #16 ranked opponents. Oregon also played 5 road games that year.

I guess you were impressed with Nebraska's big road wins.

at Missouri (they sucked big time)
at Baylor
at Kansas

:lol2 :lol2 :lol2

Nebraska only played 4 road games all year.

You thought Oregon did not play anybody tough on the road but you were impressed with Nebraska? Are you a college football fan?

kosar

You can't use one common opponent as some sort of proof that Oregon was more worthy. It would be just as stupid to say that XYZ beat Cal and USC didn't (major choke job as usual for USC), so XYZ was better than USC.

Where is your argument that Nebraska was better team than Oregon? CO destroyed Nebraska, Oregon beat CO soundly. I think that is some strong evidence to support my claim that Oregon was a better team than Nebraska. Looks like I was not alone since Oregon was ranked #2 not Nebraska. Keep on talking about USC and CAL when I am talking about Oregon and Nebraska. :rolleyes:
 
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oh yea thats right....Oregon beat Washington St and UCLA on the road. thats some big competion in itself. washington st beat up on the likes of Boise St,Idaho and Montana st. OVERRATED *clap,clap,clap/clap/clap*** and UCLA fell out of the top 25 after the season was done. Nebraska easily had a tougher schedule and at least the beat the #2 team in the nation which was Oklahoma.
 

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You said you did not think Oregon played anybody tough on the road that year. I challenged you on that statement because Nebraska had a much easier road schedule and even played 1 less road game that year. Your reply was downplaying WSU and UCLA who both were ranked top 25 at the time and saying Nebraska beat #2 OU.

WSU finished the year ranked #12 in the final BCS standings.

Then from left field you bring up Nebraska beating OU. Nebraska played OU at home and not on the road. So why did you bring up OU?

I was not talking about who played a tougher SOS.

You seem to respect OU that year. OU played a SOS ranked #36. Oregon's SOS that year was ranked #31. But I am sure you respected OU a lot more than Oregon!!! Nebraska had a SOS ranked #14.

I would not say Nebraska easily had a tougher SOS but they did play a tougher SOS. Nebraska certainly had an easier road schedule and remember that the BCS does not distinguish between ROAD/HOME games. I DO!
 

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How is it that any thread related to college football, no matter what the intial topic is, turns into a PacTen/USC arguement? :thinking:
 

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Good question Blackman. I wonder the same thing. In this thread Kosar is the one who brought up USC and CAL. STill don't understand why he brought that up. In this thread I strictly was talking about the new BCS changes and the teams who got screwed in the past. Kdogg21 you asked why this thread was here, Madjack or a moderator was the one who moved this thread to general forum. I guess he did not think BCS changes article belonged in the college football forum.
 
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boy did you just eat your own words Scott. you say that Nebraska had a #14 SOS, obviously better than Oregon's #31. but the BCS doesnt regard home/away and you do. don't i recall in the college football forums anybody who would say that USC had a easy schedule, you would say well not according to the SOS. HAHAHAHA!! that shows how stupid you really are. now all these writers and webistes come up with this SOS#, so whats to say really that Oregon really had a tough schedule. You should really look at what your write scott, you looked really foolish by that last comment. :142lmao: :142lmao: :142lmao:

and lasted i checked, i dont belive you vote in the AP poll, so obviously your opinoins don't matter to them. So if Nebraska had a #14 SOS, that looks alot better than Oregon's #31 on paper doesn't it. I mean come on USC's championship was on paper???
 

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Read your post 3 times and it still does not make sense.

don't i recall in the college football forums anybody who would say that USC had a easy schedule, you would say well not according to the SOS. HAHAHAHA!! that shows how stupid you really are.

Where did I say that a #32 SOS is bad? Where did I say Oregon's SOS ranked #32 is bad?

That is what you are implying to make me "eat my words." There are 111 div. 1a teams, so a SOS ranked #55 would be around average. So I would guess a SOS ranked #32 is slightly above average. Certainly no worse than an average SOS.

That is why when someone said USC played a weak SOS last year, I replied "not according to the USC BCS SOS. A weak SOS according to the the BCS would be around #70 or higher since there are 111 div. 1a teams. Make sense? I think maybe you are calling the wrong person stupid.

and lasted i checked, i dont belive you vote in the AP poll, so obviously your opinoins don't matter to them. So if Nebraska had a #14 SOS, that looks alot better than Oregon's #31 on paper doesn't it.

The AP and Coaches poll BOTH had Oregon ranked #2 and Nebraska ranked #4. :142lmao:

And you called me stupid and foolish? :shrug:

I know you hate me, but please make sense when you "attempt" to attack me. I did not attack you earlier in this post. I merely disagreed with you and told you why. Looks like you couldn't handle someone disagreeing with you.
 

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you must be smoking some crack because actually your post makes no sense at all???

hating you??? attacking you??? im just making valid points thats all. your the one crying about everything...
 

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you must be smoking some crack because actually your post makes no sense at all???

OK, let me define it further what you said and what I said. Make it easier for you to understand.

YOU SAID.....
and lasted i checked, i don't believe you vote in the AP poll, so obviously your opinions don't matter to them. So if Nebraska had a #14 SOS, that looks alot better than Oregon's #31 on paper doesn't it.

The difference in SOS (as you point out) obviously did not affect the AP or the Coaches poll. Both the AP and Coaches poll had Oregon ranked #2 and Nebraska ranked #4. So looks like both polls agree with my opinion. Understand?

YOU SAID
don't i recall in the college football forums anybody who would say that USC had a easy schedule, you would say well not according to the SOS. HAHAHAHA!! that shows how stupid you really are.

When you say that, you are implying I had previously said that a SOS ranked #30 or above is bad. Right? Then I would be "eating my words" when I told people (who thought USC SOS was weak) to look at USC's SOS last year according to the BCS. Where you are incorrect is that I never once said or implied that a SOS ranked #30 or above is BAD! Therefore I cannot eat my words and I cannot be stupid and I cannot look foolish. You are the one making yourself look foolish for making false accusations. Understand?

There are exactly 117 Div. 1a team. You may want to chop off 7-17 of those teams because they are VERY BAD teams and skew the SOS. SO even if we take our population size of 100 teams, I would say a top 10-15 SOS is VERY GOOD, a top 15-40 SOS is above average, top 40-70 SOS is average, and a top 70-100 (or 117) is below average SOS. Makes sense if there are 117 div. 1a team or if you even reduce it to 100 quality teams. The median would be 50 or 58.5. Makes sense mathematically. Understand?

:clap: :clap: :clap:

*Remember, you are the one who said to me...

"you must be smoking some crack"

"that shows how stupid you really are."

"you looked really foolish by that last comment."
 
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hahaha.....

so thats why maybe Nebraska made it to the title game....mmmmmmmm.... :142lmao:

so maybe if oregon would of made there schedule just a teed tougher, they may have gotten to the Rose Bowl that year...

maybe those conference games in the weak pac 10 hurt just a little bit.... :moon:
 
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Nebraska made it to the title game because of the BCS formula. :rolleyes: I hope you now understand what I wrote. If not, you are hopeless.
 
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