Enemy? Who?

[StevieD]

You would have to get a transcript of the show last night. O'Rielly was talking to Geraldo. this was just before they talked about Britany's lack of underware, anyway o'Rielly said he was wrong about Iraq. And Geraldo agreed.
The talking points explain why the invasion was wrong. At the time he agreed with the attack but now, unlike a few others, he can see that it was a mistake.
If you think I am lying find a transcript of last nights show yourself.

Even in Kentucky they still can't believe this Iraq thing was a good idea.

 

[kosar]

I am still looking where Oreilly said he did not agree with invasion. He has always questioned handling in aftermath of occupation--of course hindsight is always 20/20--but if he even hinted about change of opinion on invasion the liberal blogs would be on him in a heart beat.

There are two primary reasons the Iraq campaign has failed. The USA misjudged the Iraqi people. And Iran has undermined all attempts at securing liberty by arming and inciting the Shiia militias.

Ummm, this is from Bills own show/column. Doesn't say much about the 'handling' of the occupation. As best as I can tell, he's saying that the FAILURE in Iraq is because the 'USA' (Bush admin) 'misjudged the Iraqi people'(was so ignorant that they didn't care to look into what was sure to become the political realities) and that our infinitely ignorant admin could NEVER predict that Iran just MIGHT support the Shia.

Now, tell me if his comments of his that i've posted from 2/06 and today MIGHT JUST indicate to a reasonable person that he now agrees that this was a mistake.

Are you f*cking kidding me.

I didn't even care about this subject until you got so indignant(BULLSHIT!) when Stevie mentioned that Bill was now against the invasion. Then I was curious.

About 2 minutes of google later and you were easily proven wrong. Again.

 

[kosar]

I would respectfully disagree--would depend on who your asking--would venture a guess most our troops look at it differently--as the Kurds and Shites and and about 40% of our population

Add to your list, Al-Qaeda, Syria and Iran. Especially Iran. They're on the verge of a clean sweep from east to west- Iran to Iraq to Syria to Lebanon on the sea. Thanks America! You've removed our biggest enemy that served as a secular balance and paved the way for our total domination in the region.

Which is not far off.

 

[smurphy]

Add to your list, Al-Qaeda, Syria and Iran. Especially Iran. They're on the verge of a clean sweep from east to west- Iran to Iraq to Syria to Lebanon on the sea. Thanks America! You've removed our biggest enemy that served as a secular balance and paved the way for our total domination in the region.

Which is not far off.

Are you sort of saying in a weasel-esque way that Bush has aided and given comfort to the enemy?

 

[kosar]

Are you sort of saying in a weasel-esque way that Bush has aided and given comfort to the enemy?

No. I'm saying he did one of the dumbest things in American history and we will be paying for it for many years, in many ways.

And if you ever mention a post of mine as being 'weasel-esque' again, i'm going to order you to moderate a debate between sponge and manson.

 

[The Sponge]

frst of all,stevie, we have to decide what we want the outcome in iraq to be, then we could continue an intelligent conversation from there....

i'm in favor of a victorious outcome,iraq being able to defend itself from terror and sectarian violence.... meaning "we win, they lose"....

you, stevie, are in favor of___________?(i mean besides bush being impeached or assassinated)...


whatever,i`m still happy i could share this little "hate filled moment in time" with you,buddy........:sadwave:

For someone that never watches Bill Orielly this comment is kinda strange since he said this statement about fifty thousand times and now is to embarassed to say it anymore. I never heard anyone else say this weasal. weasal i see your not embarrassed to say it. You are not embarrassed to say anthing. Anyone who has been as wrong as you should be a little embarrassed sometimes.:shrug:

 

[hammer1]

U echo just about everything i've ever said Kosar...
Glad to see the voice of reason and sanity from the majority here.

U sure u not a closet Leftie??

 

[smurphy]

No. I'm saying he did one of the dumbest things in American history and we will be paying for it for many years, in many ways.

And if you ever mention a post of mine as being 'weasel-esque' again, i'm going to order you to moderate a debate between sponge and manson.

I really wouldn't mind doing that, but someone needs to find Manson first. I really do miss that guy.:sadwave:

 

[djv]

Kosar you are correct again. The path to Med Sea for Iran will be open. A couple of things that can help change that some is. Turkey, Saudi, Kuwait and Jordan. Stand up of course with are backing and say no. I don't count to much on those scare chitless Saudis. The other three may. I do hope we are smart enough to keep some highly trained troops in Kuwait and Turkey. Even tho Turkey was little help with Iraq. I believe they can see problem might get closer and closer.
One thing for sure. Iran I do believe will never have the bomb. And it will be stopped with out us invading.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"About 2 minutes of google later and you were easily proven wrong. Again."

You and google haven't proved squat--show me he where he's says he has changed his mind on invasion of iraq?

--and do you find it interesting you can do search on Oreilly or fox and 90% of links are from neither from oreilly or fox news--but liberal blogs with their opinion and interpretations? I suggest you start your search next on about page 8 or 9 of google search.

Smurph I think the comparison is just.No one wants war as it represents death and destruction-however people tend to have change of attitude when their own lives are in jeopardy--case in point all the flag wavers in New York after 911--now that threat is not so relevant --how many do you see?

another comparison the Senate voted to go to war with Iraq on Kuwait fiasco by 52-47 yet vote was 72-23 this time around????

Those voting no--
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)

How many candidates for 08 pres do you see on list

 

[StevieD]

Apparently they have short attention spans in Kentucky. Now he runs a list of those who believed the Presidents lies. Stick to the subject Dogs. Who is the enemy and who do you expect to surrender their sword to Bush?

 

[kosar]

--and do you find it interesting you can do search on Oreilly or fox and 90% of links are from neither from oreilly or fox news--but liberal blogs with their opinion and interpretations? I suggest you start your search next on about page 8 or 9 of google search.

Not sure what you're talking about. I posted a direct quote from his radio show from 2/06 and also posted his 12/07/06 column from Foxnews.com.

Not 'blogs' and nobodys opinion or 'interpretation.' Just his own words.

Do you disagree that he now sees this 'war' as complete folly?

If so, i'll be happy to quote, again, his comments from above, which you probably haven't even read to begin with.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Matt I will agree that he thinks as most that trying to stop them from killing each other is like shoveling shit against the tide--he has always alluded to mistakes after the fall of Baghad which I did agree with at one time but not sure anything can be done with 2 radically opposed elements any more.
As far as his claiming invasion was mistake I have never heard him remotely hint at it.
Personally I'd like to see them partition off the huge slum area around Baghdad and let em fight it out till they are dead or had enough and protect the kurdish and other peaceful areas.
We took the country in days--disposed of Saddam and Sons--liberated the Shites and Kurds-aided country in setting up democracy--I'd think they can at least shoulder some responsibility in keeping capitol city in tact--the Kurds are having no problem.Why-- they keep the disrupting elements segregated.Oops maybe poor choice of words

 

[smurphy]

--the Kurds are having no problem.Why-- they keep the disrupting elements segregated.Oops maybe poor choice of words

The Kurds barely have disruptive elements to begin with. They are not simply better at segregating bad elements than the rest of Iraq, as you seem to suggest. They are much more remotely located and only make up about 20% of the overall population. Sunni's and Shiites are practically living on top of each other. It's really not a valid comparison.