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I can't believe Congress ethics commitee comprised of mostly Dems would stoop to this :)



Racial disparity: All active ethics probes focus on black lawmakers



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<!-- end .byline -->The House ethics committee is currently investigating seven African-American lawmakers ? more than 15 percent of the total in the House. And an eighth black member, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.), would be under investigation if the Justice Department hadn?t asked the committee to stand down.
Not a single white lawmaker is currently the subject of a full-scale ethics committee probe.
The ethics committee declined to respond to questions about the racial disparity, and members of the Congressional Black Caucus are wary of talking about it on the record. But privately, some black members are outraged ? and see in the numbers a worrisome trend in the actions of ethics watchdogs on and off Capitol Hill.
?Is there concern whether someone is trying to set up [Congressional Black Caucus] members? Yeah, there is,? a black House Democrat said. ?It looks as if there is somebody out there who understands what the rules [are] and sends names to the ethics committee with the goal of going after the [CBC].?
African-American politicians have long complained that they?re treated unfairly when ethical issues arise. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus are still fuming over Speaker Nancy Pelosi?s decision to oust then-Rep. William Jefferson (D-La.) from the House Ways and Means Committee in 2006, and some have argued that race plays a role in the ongoing efforts to remove Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) from his chairmanship of that committee.
Last week?s actions by the House ethics committee are sure to add fuel to the fire.
The committee ? which has one African-American lawmaker, Rep. G.K. Butterfield (D-N.C.), among its 10 members ? on Thursday considered three referrals from the recently formed Office of Congressional Ethics. It dismissed a case against Rep. Sam Graves (R-Mo.), who is white, but agreed to open full-blown investigations of California Democratic Reps. Maxine Waters and Laura Richardson, both of whom are black.
The committee was already investigating five other African-Americans. Rangel is the subject of two different probes, one involving a host of issues he has put before the committee and another involving allegations that corporate funds may have been used improperly to pay for members? trips to the Caribbean in 2007-08. Reps. Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-Mich.), Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) and Donald Payne (D-N.J.) and Del. Donna Christensen (D-U.S. Virgin Islands) are also included in the second of those investigations.
A document leaked to The Washington Post last week showed that nearly three dozen lawmakers have come under scrutiny this year by either the House ethics committee or the Office of Congressional Ethics, an independent watchdog created in 2008 at the insistence of Pelosi. While the list contained a substantial number of white lawmakers, the ethics committee has not yet launched formal investigative subcommittees with respect to any of them ? as it has with the seven African-American members.
The OCE has also been a particular target of ire for the Congressional Black Caucus. Black lawmakers, including CBC Chairwoman Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), met with OCE officials earlier this year to raise their concerns. Spokesmen for Lee and the OCE both declined to comment.
A number of CBC members opposed the resolution establishing the OCE, arguing that it was the wrong response to the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal, which helped Democrats seize control of the House in 2006.
Setting up the OCE ?was a mistake,? Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) told The Hill newspaper recently. ?Congress has a long and rich history of overreacting to a crisis.?
Cleaver, though, now finds himself part of the four-member subcommittee that will investigate Waters, who voted against the OCE. Waters is being probed over her intervention with the Treasury Department on behalf of a minority-owned bank in which her husband served on the board and owned at least $250,000 in stock.
While she has flatly denied engaging in any unethical or improper behavior in her dealings with OneUnited, Waters was described by colleagues and Democratic aides as ?livid? over the ethics committee?s decision to investigate her.
?She was hopping mad,? a Democratic lawmaker said of Waters. ?She feels this is a complete miscarriage of justice.?
Another CBC member said black lawmakers are ?easy targets? for ethics watchdog groups because they have less money ? both personally and in their campaign accounts ? to defend themselves than do their white colleagues. Campaign funds can be used to pay members? legal bills.
?A lot of that has to do with outside watchdog groups like [Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington] that have to have a level of success to justify OCE,? the CBC member said. The good-government groups were strong backers of the OCE?s creation.

But these same groups won?t go after Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), this lawmaker claimed, ?because she has plenty of money to defend herself,? and the outside groups don?t want to take a risk. The Democrat said the ethics committee would be going up against Harman?s lawyers and ?going up against? the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee if they push the OCE to pressure the ethics committee to act.
Harman was allegedly recorded on a 2005 federal wiretap discussing with an Israeli operative her bid to become Intelligence Committee chairwoman. Harman has denied any wrongdoing, but an attempt by the ethics committee to get a transcript of the taped call was rebuffed by the Justice Department.
What especially galled black lawmakers was that the ethics committee voted to move forward with the Waters and Richardson probes following the OCE referrals, while Graves ? who OCE also thought should be investigated by the ethics committee ? saw his case dismissed.
Even worse, the ethics committee issued a 541-page document explaining why it wouldn?t look into allegations that Graves invited a witness to testify before the Small Business Committee ? on which he sits ? without revealing his financial ties to that witness.
?It is kind of crazy,? said an aide to one senior black Democrat. ?How can it be that the ethics committee only investigates African-Americans? It doesn?t make sense.?
White lawmakers have certainly been the subject of ethics committee investigations before. Former Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) was admonished by the committee for his dealings with corporate lobbyists, while ex-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) was the target of an investigation over his dealings with teenage male House pages in late 2006. Foley resigned after the sex scandal was revealed.
And the document leaked to the Post last week shows that a number of white lawmakers ? including senior House Appropriations Committee members John Murtha (D-Pa.), Pete Visclosky (D-Ind.), Alan Mollohan (D-W.Va.) and Jim Moran (D-Va.) ? have drawn the attention of the committee and the OCE.
The two congressional ethics watchdogs are looking into these members? ties to the PMA Group, a now-defunct lobbying firm that won tens of millions of dollars in earmarks from members of the Appropriations Committee. The lawmakers who arranged for the earmarks received hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from PMA?s lobbying clients.
But it seems unlikely that the PMA case will become the subject of a full-blown ethics committee investigation. The Justice Department is also looking into the PMA allegations; the FBI raided PMA?s office last year, and Visclosky and his former chief of staff have been served with document subpoenas. And under ethics committee rules, the panel cannot conduct an investigation of any member or staffer already being probed by a law enforcement agency.
The nation?s only black senator, Roland Burris of Illinois, is currently under investigation by the Senate Ethics Committee. It?s not clear whether that committee is currently investigating any white members, although Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) is likely to be in its sights if the Justice Department doesn?t pre-empt a committee investigation. Jonathan Allen contributed to this story.



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What's so surprising? That rich, powerful white people treat blacks unfairly? Shocking. Some of them are Democrats? Crazy.

Hopefully, these people get what's coming to them.
 

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What's so surprising? That rich, powerful white people treat blacks unfairly? Shocking. Some of them are Democrats? Crazy.

Hopefully, these people get what's coming to them.

Surely they must be skewing the facts Gary--same with prison population-illegitamcy rates-wefare rates-drop out rates-crime rates etc

Shame on all these racist that compile the data and double shame on them for having audicity to put the data in print. After all we all know as you say its someone elses fault. :)
 

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Thanks for pointing out that the mostly democratic ethics committee seems to be doing its job, Wayne. You make light of it, and throw in your usual race baiting comments. I'm happy to see the committee doing what they think is right, and going after people in question, no matter what party or what color. Instead of the right wingers, who do nothing but hide and protect their own, no matter what it is going on.

I commend the democrats and the committee for doing their jobs. The only thing I can figure out is that most of the Republican hypocrites have already been rounded up? :shrug:
 

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Thanks for pointing out that the mostly democratic ethics committee seems to be doing its job, Wayne. You make light of it, and throw in your usual race baiting comments. I'm happy to see the committee doing what they think is right, and going after people in question, no matter what party or what color. Instead of the right wingers, who do nothing but hide and protect their own, no matter what it is going on.

I commend the democrats and the committee for doing their jobs. The only thing I can figure out is that most of the Republican hypocrites have already been rounded up? :shrug:

Rangel still head of way and means committee and you say--Their doing their job ??
Do you know what Ways and Means is in charge of??
-do you what report on Rangel is--we're lucky cold cash jefferson lost re election or he'd still be heading committees.SERIOUSLY!
 

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Surely they must be skewing the facts Gary--same with prison population-illegitamcy rates-wefare rates-drop out rates-crime rates etc

Shame on all these racist that compile the data and double shame on them for having audicity to put the data in print. After all we all know as you say its someone elses fault. :)

Without reading it again, didn't the article point out that white people were getting away with similar stuff? I'm a bit confused....and I'm not saying that sarcastically.
 

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Rangel still head of way and means committee and you say--Their doing their job ??
Do you know what Ways and Means is in charge of??
-do you what report on Rangel is--we're lucky cold cash jefferson lost re election or he'd still be heading committees.SERIOUSLY!

I realize that since they are only going for 7 of the black folks, that's not enough for you, Wayne, but from what I can tell they are still investigating Rangel, as are others, and Pelosi herself was behind the ousting of Jefferson from the Ways and Means Committee, and Rangel himself was also a main force against Jefferson. It was taken care of, wasn't it? The democrats voted him out of the position. Nothing to do with Republicans - it was the democrats that got rid of Jefferson from the committee. It had nothing to do with election, re-election, or anything of the sort. He was removed from the committee while still in office.

Your point is flatly wrong.
 

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Without reading it again, didn't the article point out that white people were getting away with similar stuff? I'm a bit confused....and I'm not saying that sarcastically.
I don't know Gary The Ethics commitee is primarily Dems --I doubt they would tilt status quo on purpose.

My main point was thr race baiters should have field day with this.
 

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I understand why you'd refer back to your main point, when your other "main point" was proven to be wrong...

Glad you're being so fair and balanced on this issue - can't remember any, maybe any, ethics issues on the other side. But boy, when a Jefferson, Rangel, or 7 black dem ethics situations come up - who is the first to post on it?
:shrug:
 

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I understand why you'd refer back to your main point, when your other "main point" was proven to be wrong...

Glad you're being so fair and balanced on this issue - can't remember any, maybe any, ethics issues on the other side. But boy, when a Jefferson, Rangel, or 7 black dem ethics situations come up - who is the first to post on it?
:shrug:

I bet you have a European handbag.

Chadman is P/C.


JMHO

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Also, an interesting note to your new main point. You are the only one to bring this up, Wayne. No dems, no libs, just you. Nobody even responded in an indignant fashion about the situation.

What does that tell us? :SIB
 

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I don't understand what your getting at Chad.

Does it have something to do with me saying long time ago when I was being accuse of being prejudice for referencing statistics and I acknowledged I am not racial prejudice but am statistically prejudice. I can't overlook the obvious just because it is the PC thing to do.
 

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What I'm getting at is that you only don't "overlook the obvious" when it's convenient for you, especially when it comes to certain colors. Like this, for instance. I don't EVER remember you posting anything about any white conservatives and any ethics considerations - but when there is a black scenario, you post and make it an incredulous situation, and go after the blacks in question, and question the motives of the committee.

It's pretty cut and dried, Wayne. And you bring up Jefferson - AGAIN - and make an inaccurate comment about the situation, and I point it out - AGAIN - and you try to change the subject to another point.

Your statistic prejudices almost always deal with black people, don't they? They certainly are hinted at in that direction by you, whether you will accept that or not in posting. You know that, but you won't own that.

I respect you in most situations, but you are very transparent in this one... IMO.
 

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I bet you have a European handbag.

Chadman is P/C.


JMHO

:sleep:

I don't have any kind of handbag. I do tend to be politically correct, informed, and somewhat intelligent. I realize all of these scenarios are quite foreign to you, and you add absolutely nothing whatsoever to any discussion, and feel your only hope is to make the best effort you can in trying to make fun of someone else.

Thanks for playing. I think you're better off trying to compete with someone else... :sadwave:
 

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Thanks for pointing out that the mostly democratic ethics committee seems to be doing its job, Wayne. You make light of it, and throw in your usual race baiting comments. I'm happy to see the committee doing what they think is right, and going after people in question, no matter what party or what color. Instead of the right wingers, who do nothing but hide and protect their own, no matter what it is going on.

I commend the democrats and the committee for doing their jobs. The only thing I can figure out is that most of the Republican hypocrites have already been rounded up? :shrug:
Bingo. Just more of Wayne's incessant race-baiting. What else is new?
 

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It's pretty cut and dried, Wayne. And you bring up Jefferson - AGAIN - and make an inaccurate comment about the situation, and I point it out - AGAIN - and you try to change the subject to another point.
See thread titled "DTB's School of Political Debate". ;)
 
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