evil u.s. and britain may have cut the trapped soviet sub free....

[djv]

I was sure glad when our shuttle was grounded. The Russians helped keep our's and there guys alive up on the space station.
As for N Korea anything to bring them in line was and still is worth a try. Just doing nothing as was done last 4 years of Reagan and Bush 41 was a loss of time. If we were so dam worried about the pussies in Iraq. Why have we stood by and done nothing with N Korea for 5 years now.

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

Were the Russians "SOVIETS" while they were secretly working alongside Saddam Hussein? NO. So help the Russians and screw the Iraqis? Real class.

You guys know that the Russians recently set up a giant deal to supply the terrorist nation Syria with weapons right??? And you are so gung ho on helping them?? The Russians are backstabbers who help all of our enemies. Take a look at all the nuclear and chemical sites in Iran for example. Almost all are built with "Russian assistance".

It's no wonder Russia refused to help us out in Iraq.....they were cutting secret deals with Saddam Hussein. No wonder you liberals want to help them.

 

[smurphy]

so manson, you want war with russia?

who said anything about being "gung ho". it's called being PRACTICAL.

enough with the "secret deals". it was such a small number of corrupt people involved, that it's absurd to lay that on the entire Russian nation - especially to the point of letting 7 sailor die for no reason.

as long as we have our relation with saudi arabia, we have to be very careful about pointing judgement at anyone else. EVERYONE IS HYPOCRITICAL ...EVERYONE.

remember, we helped build saddam up for over a decade. we are not some pure entity free from criticism.

 

[djv]

I would help explain it for you. But I don't think you understand we cant stop anyone from selling anything to anyone. Just as the gas we sold to Saddam. And he used it on his own people. At least thats been said here.

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

A small number of corrupt people involved in the secret deals??You're joking right?? These secret deals with Saddam Hussein are turning out to be the biggest scam in history. You probably havent studied the ins and outs of Russia's secret deal making with Saddam Hussein have you???

No, I don't want war with them. What good would that do? All I am saying is they are backstabbers who cannot be trusted. I wouldn't be going out of my way to help them. We could have used Russia's help extracting that genocidal dictator Saddam Hussein, who put 400,000 innocent people in mass graves, but obviously since the Russian's had a FINANCIAL INTEREST cutting SECRET DEALS with Saddam, they stayed out of it. No wonder Putin didn't support the war!! Now Russia is supplying the terrorist nation of Syria with weapons....yeah...just the type of people I want to be helping.

 

[ferdville]

SMURPH- " EVERYONE IS HYPOCRITICAL ...EVERYONE."

Can't argue with that one. It includes liberals, yeah?

 

[smurphy]

absolutely

 

[Marco]

Its easy to thump on the pawns of the chessboard but a lot tougher to take on the tall pieces who supply the weapons.

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

I think I just read that message in a fortune cookie yesterday. I like it.

 

[IntenseOperator]

the reason we were so unprepared for this wave of islamist terrorism, not just militarily but psychologically, is sheer disbelief..... it contradicts our notions of progress....any civilized society`s notion of progress...`

the sheer savagery of blatant human slaughter by zarqawi or daniel pearl's beheaders, is a return to a primitiveness that we in the west had assumed a progressive history had left behind......


we were dead wrong.....we`d better get with the program....and stop doing business as usual with enemies masquerading as allies...

This is all very true!

This makes a ton of sense to me, but you can't get all "eye for an eye" with these fvcks.

A couple things on this..........

1. I've been told, and I believe, the GI's get their shots in out of the view of prying eyes :yup

2. You can't go all out animal with these complete pieces of garbage. Very true, it's all they understand or appreciate. ANY and ALL acts that the US or it's allies commit that are even remotely similar to what is being committed against the innocent by these ass holes will BE USED AGAINST THE US for YEARS. I think it's called "violence begets violence". They will be carving somebody else up 8,000 miles away to "show us" for something we did.

3. If there's any hope for the countries of the rest of the region to turn to more civil governmental systems (whenever that is) as lame as this is to say, we have BE THE BIGGER MAN.

4. You start letting GI's get crazy, it could get extremely ugly. Woman and children ugly. Whatever that incident in Nam, were they wiped out a town.

5. We have our own version of total nasty. 500 lb bombs dropped or launched. Totally F'n nasty.

6. Let us remember, the kill ratio, whatever it is, must be EXTREMELY in our favor. We need to find solace in that somehow. Not any joy over death, but something from our army's effectiveness.

7. We HAVE to hold our nose and try and keep Mother Russia (or whatever it is now) close to us as possible. They are STILL a world power. They are STILL nuclear ready. They can STILL turn the tide in any world situation (against us) by supplying a side.

8. BTW .......if I was there, I couldn't hold back. Anything I've said above wouldn't matter a bit to "getting some payback". :chairshot

 

[kosar]

GW,

Any word on when those light-water reactors that we promised them are gonna be finished? Get off your high horse. We didn't live up to our end of the bargain either. Clinton is definitely at fault for not following through on what we promised.

And of course it's not Bush's fault that they may have a crude nuke or two(very debatable to begin with). It's not Clinton's fault either.

But it *is* Bush's fault that we no longer have any verification instruments in place anymore. It's also Bush's fault that they removed all of those fuel rods, presumably to be re-processed.

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

Ok so your finger is pointed once again for the 18,954th time at Bush....now what? You feel better? A day without blaming Bush for something would throw off your equilibrium wouldn't it Kosar lol?

 

[kosar]

Well it makes more sense than you guys blaming everything on somebody who hasn't been in office in 5 years. Doesn't it, Manson?

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

lol yeah 5 years is almost like decades ago lol. I guess there's a statute of limitations on accountability.

 

[spibble spab]

I guess after a brief 4 year stent at the white house, you get to take the changes and reflections of the national defecit, fold it up into a little paper airplane and it disappers in the the wind.
why not say that past presidencies have NO effect on our country?
our how bout all the bill's that get signed. Oh, our constitution was written SOOOO long ago. i guess we'll round file it

 

[kosar]

You're actually talking about the deficit?

 

[spibble spab]

We are a tad out of touch folks. There is a treaty among NATO countries for just this type of emergency because of the Russian tragedy 5 years ago. It's governments who cause the UN problems not those kids walking from that trapped sub. Cold!

im afraid i agree

 

[spibble spab]

yes, as an example... helllooooo???

 

[kosar]

yes, as an example... helllooooo???

That's not much of an example if you're trying to say that Bush inherited a big deficit but can't change things in 5 years.

 

[spibble spab]

it's been two years since grey davis ran up californias deficit with
his post silicone valley liberal spending spree. We are still in the toilet
we're talking billions of dollars here, princess. multiply it by fifty