excerpts of bush speech....

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although this immigration problem has been building up for the last 20 years, 40% of the 12 million has come in under bush's presidency....

i believe sending 6000 additional troops to the border is a spit in the bucket...it's just a political ploy to get the american people behind bills simiiar to the kennedy/mccain bill.....

it's just cosmetics...no substance.....

i still like the sensenbrenner bill...


By The Associated Press
Excerpts of President Bush's address Monday night on immigration, as

released by the White House.

On Bush's ideas for immigration overhaul:

"We are a nation of laws, and we must enforce our laws. We are also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways. These are not contradictory goals. America can be a lawful society and a welcoming society at the same time. We will fix the problems created by illegal immigration, and we will deliver a system that is secure, orderly, and fair."

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On border security:

"Since I became president, we have increased funding for border security by 66 percent and expanded the Border Patrol from about 9,000 to 12,000 agents. ... We have apprehended and sent home about 6 million people entering America illegally.

"Despite this progress, we do not yet have full control of the border, and I am determined to change that. Tonight I am calling on Congress to provide funding for dramatic improvements in manpower and technology at the border."

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On a temporary worker program:

"The reality is that there are many people on the other side of our border who will do anything to come to America to work and build a better life. They walk across miles of desert in the summer heat, or hide in the back of 18-wheelers to reach our country. This creates enormous pressure on our border that walls and patrols alone will not stop. To secure the border effectively we must reduce the numbers of people trying to sneak across."

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On enforcement:

"We need to hold employers to account for the workers they hire. It is against the law to hire someone who is in this country illegally. Yet businesses often cannot verify the legal status of their employees because of the widespread problem of document fraud. Therefore, comprehensive immigration reform must include a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility. ...

"A tamper-proof card would help us enforce the law and leave employers with no excuse for violating it. And by making it harder for illegal immigrants to find work in our country, we would discourage people from crossing the border illegally in the first place."

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On amnesty:

"We must face the reality that millions of illegal immigrants are already here. They should not be given an automatic path to citizenship. This is amnesty, and I oppose it. Amnesty would be unfair to those who are here lawfully and it would invite further waves of illegal immigration."

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On assimilation:

"We must honor the great American tradition of the melting pot, which has made us one nation out of many peoples. The success of our country depends upon helping newcomers assimilate into our society, and embrace our common identity as Americans. Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language."

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On the tone of the debate:

"We must always remember that real lives will be affected by our debates and decisions, and that every human being has dignity and value no matter what their citizenship papers say."
 

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this unbelievable....

i just heard the national guard from arizona that was sent to the border was used to change oil on the border agents vehicles & clerical work......
 

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Mexicans Say Guard Won't Slow Migrants

Mexicans Say Guard Won't Slow Migrants

and the mexican gov't sits by & does nothing....

By MARINA MONTEMAYOR
Associated Press Writer


CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico


Looking for someone to help him cross into the United States, Jorge Gutierrez said Monday it will take a lot more than U.S. National Guard troops to keep him and other migrants out.

Most Mexicans believe the plan, to be announced Monday night by President Bush, will do little to stop the flow north. President Vicente Fox called Bush this weekend to say he didn't believe sending soldiers to the border was the answer.



The countries have rarely seen eye-to-eye since Bush and Fox agreed to work toward immigration reform five years ago at a meeting at Fox's ranch in Mexico. Fox wants the Bush administration to give amnesty to millions of migrants living in the U.S. and allow more to seek jobs legally from outside the country.

Bush rejected the idea of an amnesty and instead proposed allowing people with job offers to enter the United States and work legally for three years. The topic has generated fierce debate in Congress, where members are divided between those who want to see more security at the border and those who want immigration reform.

Bush is expected to propose sending National Guard troops to the border as a stopgap measure while the Border Patrol builds up its resources to more effectively secure the 2,000-mile line between the U.S. and Mexico.

The move is aimed at winning support for immigration reform from conservatives who are more interested in tightening security along the border.

Gutierrez, who had just arrived in Juarez from Torreon to look for a way to cross illegally into the United States, said he didn't believe the troops would make a difference.

"No guard, no wall will keep us from crossing," he said.

Jesus Rodriguez, 49, agreed. He was looking for ways to cross one of Juarez's international bridges. "For Mexicans, there are no obstacles," he said.

Francisco Loureiro, who runs a migrant shelter in Nogales, across the border from Nogales, Ariz., criticized the plan as an "aggressive action more than anything because the migrant is not a criminal or a terrorist."

"His only objective is to work ... and a government that supposedly lobbies for world peace is now acting against defenseless migrants who are helping to fill a need for employers in the U.S," he said.

Presidential spokesman Ruben Aguilar told reporters Monday that while Fox "expressed his concern" over the proposal to Bush, he had no choice but to respect it.

"It is a sovereign decision," he said. "We can't interfere."

Mexico has had a tough time convincing the U.S. that it is doing everything it can to prevent and provide alternatives to illegal migration, especially when it is dependent on the remittances migrants send home.

In 2005, migrants sent about $20 billion to Mexico, where remittances represent the second-largest source of foreign income, after oil sales.

The government may have been able to prevent the growing backlash against migrants in the United States if it had showed it was improving opportunities for Mexicans at home, said Rodolfo Garcia, an economist at the University of Zacatecas.

Consequently, instead of sharply protesting Bush's National Guard plan, Fox's administration is more likely to justify it, Garcia said, hoping that it will help Bush soften attitudes toward guest-worker and legalization proposals.

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Associated Press reporter Lisa J. Adams contributed to this report from Mexico City.
 

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dtb....

as far as i know the sheriff in arizona is the only law official in the u.s. that is enforcing the law...
 

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guys..almost all our politicians are cowards on this issue, afraid to address foreign nationals crossing our borders at will.....

and then vicente fox calling bush on the carpet....the nerve..it`s unreal...

the short-sightedness is stunning to see.....

what will our country look like in 30 years?...hagel`s bill allows another 100 mill or so in the next 25 years....

.all our top, high-paying jobs exported overseas, and masses of poorly-educated foreign nationals draining our system......

be afraid...be very afraid...
 

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word up to our canadian brothers.....if hagel`s bill gets through and we see 1 or 2 hundred million more immigrants come to america in the next 20 years,you guys will be the ones with the 3rd world country on your southern border....

i think hagel is al qaeda...
 

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here we go...i fully expect a "w' rope-a-dope speech...

he'll present the disingenuous proposal to use the national guard on the border as a bone to try and defuse talk of a fence or wall... until all these annoying republicans quiet down....
 

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i'm really angry with bush on this issue....

he did not mention anything about punishing businesses who hire illegals...these companies must be deterred from hiring people that break the law......

he seems more obligated in taking care of businesses & the mexican gov't. then he does of the american people......

and from what i heard after bush's speech, the senate is no better....
 

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I'm angry with all of them issue---seems they think enforcement is political suicide with Latino vote--

Thought CCN little episode on speach was interesting---

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON MAY 15, 2006 20:37:17 ET XXXXX

CNN AIRS FALSE-START LIVE; NETWORK CALLS MISTAKE

CNN aired President Bush false-starting his immigration speech from the Oval Office on Monday night!

The embarrassing images and audio [16 seconds total] captured the president starting and stopping his message, then looking at an unseen director for guidance.

[Click for video capture]

"The president is rehearsing and the network pool inadvertently went to the president as he is rehearsing," anchor Wolf Blitzer explained.

FOXNEWS, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and other outlets did not air the 'rehearsal.'

NBC NEWS, which was operating the television camera in the Oval Office, said late Monday that it gave the president a cue to begin his speech too early.

The slip comes just six months after CNN mistakenly placed a bold black 'X' mark over Vice President Cheney's face as he gave a speech.

Developing...
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and was curious before on how 2 polls results were so far off--Britt Hume appears to have sniffed it out--no sevret you can pretty much get result you want by how you ask the question--;)

Missing Detail

Fifty-one percent of Americans now say they disapprove of the National Security Agency's database of domestic phone calls, according to a new USA Today poll.

The number from a Washington Post poll taken last week, just after the story broke, in which 63% of Americans called the NSA program an acceptable way for the government to investigate terrorism.

The paper reports that its findings "may differ because questions in the two polls were worded differently." They sure were.

USA Today's poll question does not mention that the NSA database program does not involve listening to or recording telephone conversations, while the Post poll did.
 

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We can't deport millions of people. Why Not? If there here illegally send them home. At least as many as you can get your hands on. As for CNN on air 16 seconds to soon. I'm not sure what was to soon and I doubt many noticed or cared. As for 6000 NG's. Sounds a little short of the 6000 they need per state. This was a poll watching speech.
 
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