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Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies
Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies
But sure, blame the violence on antifa.
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Patriots Coalition members suggested political assassinations and said ?laws will be broken, people will get hurt?, leaked chats show
Leaked chat logs show Portland-area pro-Trump activists planning and training for violence, sourcing arms and ammunition and even suggesting political assassinations ahead of a series of contentious rallies in the Oregon city, including one scheduled for this weekend.
The chats on the GroupMe app, shared with the Guardian by the antifascist group Eugene Antifa, show conversations between Oregon members of the Patriots Coalition growing more extreme as they discuss armed confrontations with leftwing Portland activists, and consume a steady diet of online disinformation about protests and wildfires.
At times, rightwing activists discuss acts of violence at recent, contentious protests, which in some cases they were recorded carrying out. At one point, David Willis, a felon currently being sued for his alleged role in an earlier episode of political violence, joins a discussion about the use of paintballs.
Where other members had previously suggested freezing the paintballs for maximum damage, Willis wrote: ?They make glass breaker balls that are rubber coated metal. They also have pepper balls but they are about 3 dollars a ball. Don?t freeze paintballs it makes them wildly inaccurate? [sic.]
Willis did not immediately respond to voice and text messages sent to his listed cellphone number.
Another prolific poster is Mark Melchi, a 41-year-old Dallas, Oregon-based car restorer who claims to have served as a captain in the US army.
Melchi has been recorded leading an armed pro-Trump militia, ?1776 2.0? into downtown confrontations in Portland, including on 22 August. At several points in the chat he proposes violence in advance of those confrontations, and appears to confess to prior acts committed in the company of his paramilitary group.
In advance of the 22 August protest, Melchi wrote: ?It?s going to be bloody and most likely shooting, they?re definitely armed? so let?s make sure we have an organized direction of movement and direction of clearing or other Patriots will be caught in the possible cross fire. When shit hits the fan.?
He advised other members to ignore weapons statutes, writing, ?I saw someone say bats, mace, and stun guns are illegal downtown. If you?re going to play by the books tomorrow night, we already lost. We are here to make a change, laws will be broken, people will get hurt? It?s lawlessness downtown, and people need to be prepared for bad things.?
Following these comments, several rightwing demonstrators were recorded using gas and bats on 22 August, where Melchi and his militia were also present.
In other remarks ahead of the day, Melchi draws on what he claims is his group?s history of traveling to multiple states to engage in violence at protests.
?My Group 1776 2.0. Has been fighting Antifa in Seattle, Portland, for months?, Melchi writes, adding ?this won?t be a simple fist fight. People will get shot, stabbed and beat.?
He also claims police cooperation in interstate violence, writing ?Yes, going after them at night is the solution? Like we do in other states, tactical ambushes at night while backing up the police are key. You get the leaders and the violent ones and the police are happy to shut their mouths and cameras.?
Melchi nevertheless recommends that members disguise themselves to avoid the consequences of homicide.
?We must be ready to defend with lethal response? Suggest wearing mask and nothing to identify you on Camera?to prevent any future prosecution.?
In response to detailed questions about these contributions, Melchi responded with an email that falsely suggested his comments might have been photoshopped, and concluded with direct threats.
Melchi wrote: ?I suggest you don?t threaten combat veterans sweetheart, might get a little uncomfortable for ya big guy!?
Melchi?s sentiments in the chat logs were in keeping with fantasies of, and plans for, violence, which are constantly discussed by group members.
Although some members are connected with extremist groups or militias, on the whole they describe themselves as ?patriots?, and they express no clear ideology beyond a hatred of the left, and a preparedness to use violence. The shared allegiances expressed in the group are mostly to the police, the United States and Donald Trump, a person whom some say they are prepared to kill for.
Ahead of 22 August, a user ?Paige? says ?I?m waiting for the presidential go to start open firing?.
Melchi, the militia leader, responds, ?Well Saturday may be that go lol?.
Alex Newhouse, the digital research lead at the Center for Terrorism, Extremism, and Counterterrorism at the Middlebury Institute, said of the group that ?the main mechanism that makes these communities so dangerous is the incessant desensitization to the idea of political violence?.
Newhouse said that the ideas expressed in the group were entrenched in ?extreme nationalism ? that a few strong men with guns can together take out an evil that is at once imagined as an existential threat, and pathetically weak?. Newhouse added that the group?s discussions ?fit within a broader trend of rightwing extremists becoming more accelerationist over time?.
The chatlogs became fractious at the peak of Oregon?s recent wildfire emergency. While some members said they had gone to rural areas to ?hunt? imagined antifa arsonists, others became concerned about the dangers.
As early as 9 September, the baseless idea that the fires were a coordinated arson attack was treated as settled fact, with Melchi writing: ?People have officially died from these Antifa Fires. I?d shoot them on site? [sic], and another user, Dub, responding: ?Yes sir if I see them they are getting dropped where they stand.?
When adverse consequences of vigilantism became evident, leadership attempted to bring the group back under control. After a member of the group reported that an associate had been arrested in Lane county for ?holding [someone] at gunpoint?, the group?s administrator, who used the user name Patriot Coalition, wrote ?STOP HOLDING PEOPLE AT GUN POINT- STOP PULLING YOUR WEAPONS? VIDEO- TAKE PICTURES AND CALL 911.?
Mary McCord is the legal director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown Law School, which on Wednesday released a series of fact sheets on anti-paramilitary laws in all 50 states.
Given details of the content of the chats, McCord said that ?this is the kind of thing that might allow authorities to take action?, and that members of the group may ?already be in violation of Oregon?s anti-paramilitary laws?.
The group also talked about coordinating at the rally with the Proud Boys, an extreme rightwing group. One user, identified as Bravo91 and a part of the group?s leadership, spoke of phone calls with the Proud Boys.
Along with antifascist demonstrators, Democratic politicians are also the target of violent fantasies in the chats. In particular, Portland?s mayor, Ted Wheeler, is demonized and nominated as a possible target for assassination by the group.
On 24 August, a user identified as ?Trent-Medford? writes, ?Fuck wheeler? guess what soon as we are done with these punks. He?s next freakin coward !!!!!!?
User T Durden went further. In response to news that an alleged arsonist had been released on bail, and without encountering disagreement, they wrote: ?Maybe we need to start taking care of the justice ourselves!?, adding, ?Start with justice on our DA and then move on to the governor. Maybe by the time we get to the first judge, they will have changed their tunes.?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/oregon-portland-pro-trump-protests-violence-texts
Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies
But sure, blame the violence on antifa.
Peace!
Patriots Coalition members suggested political assassinations and said ?laws will be broken, people will get hurt?, leaked chats show
Leaked chat logs show Portland-area pro-Trump activists planning and training for violence, sourcing arms and ammunition and even suggesting political assassinations ahead of a series of contentious rallies in the Oregon city, including one scheduled for this weekend.
The chats on the GroupMe app, shared with the Guardian by the antifascist group Eugene Antifa, show conversations between Oregon members of the Patriots Coalition growing more extreme as they discuss armed confrontations with leftwing Portland activists, and consume a steady diet of online disinformation about protests and wildfires.
At times, rightwing activists discuss acts of violence at recent, contentious protests, which in some cases they were recorded carrying out. At one point, David Willis, a felon currently being sued for his alleged role in an earlier episode of political violence, joins a discussion about the use of paintballs.
Where other members had previously suggested freezing the paintballs for maximum damage, Willis wrote: ?They make glass breaker balls that are rubber coated metal. They also have pepper balls but they are about 3 dollars a ball. Don?t freeze paintballs it makes them wildly inaccurate? [sic.]
Willis did not immediately respond to voice and text messages sent to his listed cellphone number.
Another prolific poster is Mark Melchi, a 41-year-old Dallas, Oregon-based car restorer who claims to have served as a captain in the US army.
Melchi has been recorded leading an armed pro-Trump militia, ?1776 2.0? into downtown confrontations in Portland, including on 22 August. At several points in the chat he proposes violence in advance of those confrontations, and appears to confess to prior acts committed in the company of his paramilitary group.
In advance of the 22 August protest, Melchi wrote: ?It?s going to be bloody and most likely shooting, they?re definitely armed? so let?s make sure we have an organized direction of movement and direction of clearing or other Patriots will be caught in the possible cross fire. When shit hits the fan.?
He advised other members to ignore weapons statutes, writing, ?I saw someone say bats, mace, and stun guns are illegal downtown. If you?re going to play by the books tomorrow night, we already lost. We are here to make a change, laws will be broken, people will get hurt? It?s lawlessness downtown, and people need to be prepared for bad things.?
Following these comments, several rightwing demonstrators were recorded using gas and bats on 22 August, where Melchi and his militia were also present.
In other remarks ahead of the day, Melchi draws on what he claims is his group?s history of traveling to multiple states to engage in violence at protests.
?My Group 1776 2.0. Has been fighting Antifa in Seattle, Portland, for months?, Melchi writes, adding ?this won?t be a simple fist fight. People will get shot, stabbed and beat.?
He also claims police cooperation in interstate violence, writing ?Yes, going after them at night is the solution? Like we do in other states, tactical ambushes at night while backing up the police are key. You get the leaders and the violent ones and the police are happy to shut their mouths and cameras.?
Melchi nevertheless recommends that members disguise themselves to avoid the consequences of homicide.
?We must be ready to defend with lethal response? Suggest wearing mask and nothing to identify you on Camera?to prevent any future prosecution.?
In response to detailed questions about these contributions, Melchi responded with an email that falsely suggested his comments might have been photoshopped, and concluded with direct threats.
Melchi wrote: ?I suggest you don?t threaten combat veterans sweetheart, might get a little uncomfortable for ya big guy!?
Melchi?s sentiments in the chat logs were in keeping with fantasies of, and plans for, violence, which are constantly discussed by group members.
Although some members are connected with extremist groups or militias, on the whole they describe themselves as ?patriots?, and they express no clear ideology beyond a hatred of the left, and a preparedness to use violence. The shared allegiances expressed in the group are mostly to the police, the United States and Donald Trump, a person whom some say they are prepared to kill for.
Ahead of 22 August, a user ?Paige? says ?I?m waiting for the presidential go to start open firing?.
Melchi, the militia leader, responds, ?Well Saturday may be that go lol?.
Alex Newhouse, the digital research lead at the Center for Terrorism, Extremism, and Counterterrorism at the Middlebury Institute, said of the group that ?the main mechanism that makes these communities so dangerous is the incessant desensitization to the idea of political violence?.
Newhouse said that the ideas expressed in the group were entrenched in ?extreme nationalism ? that a few strong men with guns can together take out an evil that is at once imagined as an existential threat, and pathetically weak?. Newhouse added that the group?s discussions ?fit within a broader trend of rightwing extremists becoming more accelerationist over time?.
The chatlogs became fractious at the peak of Oregon?s recent wildfire emergency. While some members said they had gone to rural areas to ?hunt? imagined antifa arsonists, others became concerned about the dangers.
As early as 9 September, the baseless idea that the fires were a coordinated arson attack was treated as settled fact, with Melchi writing: ?People have officially died from these Antifa Fires. I?d shoot them on site? [sic], and another user, Dub, responding: ?Yes sir if I see them they are getting dropped where they stand.?
When adverse consequences of vigilantism became evident, leadership attempted to bring the group back under control. After a member of the group reported that an associate had been arrested in Lane county for ?holding [someone] at gunpoint?, the group?s administrator, who used the user name Patriot Coalition, wrote ?STOP HOLDING PEOPLE AT GUN POINT- STOP PULLING YOUR WEAPONS? VIDEO- TAKE PICTURES AND CALL 911.?
Mary McCord is the legal director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown Law School, which on Wednesday released a series of fact sheets on anti-paramilitary laws in all 50 states.
Given details of the content of the chats, McCord said that ?this is the kind of thing that might allow authorities to take action?, and that members of the group may ?already be in violation of Oregon?s anti-paramilitary laws?.
The group also talked about coordinating at the rally with the Proud Boys, an extreme rightwing group. One user, identified as Bravo91 and a part of the group?s leadership, spoke of phone calls with the Proud Boys.
Along with antifascist demonstrators, Democratic politicians are also the target of violent fantasies in the chats. In particular, Portland?s mayor, Ted Wheeler, is demonized and nominated as a possible target for assassination by the group.
On 24 August, a user identified as ?Trent-Medford? writes, ?Fuck wheeler? guess what soon as we are done with these punks. He?s next freakin coward !!!!!!?
User T Durden went further. In response to news that an alleged arsonist had been released on bail, and without encountering disagreement, they wrote: ?Maybe we need to start taking care of the justice ourselves!?, adding, ?Start with justice on our DA and then move on to the governor. Maybe by the time we get to the first judge, they will have changed their tunes.?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/oregon-portland-pro-trump-protests-violence-texts
Conservatives and centrists: "Please help me out here. I literally can't tell the difference."
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Don't forget morons....including you....on that list.
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More from the spokesperson of Black Lies Matter
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/colin-kaepernick-speaks-breonna-taylor-shooting-abolish-police
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/colin-kaepernick-speaks-breonna-taylor-shooting-abolish-police
He's not wrong. Using Breonna Taylor's murder as a prime example, the white supremacist colonial-settler system prevails once again. As it always does. And is fully supported by racist assholes such as yourself.
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He's not wrong. Using Breonna Taylor's murder as a prime example, the white supremacist colonial-settler system prevails once again.
Peace!
This is part of the problem with today, Breonna was not murdered, period!....There was no premeditation on the officers part....The officers were given an assignment by their superiors and it turned into an epic fail, heads should roll but not the officers.
Were there errors made that cost Taylor her life, YES!....Follow the paper trail and file charges against the people who put this event in motion not the officers that were following their assignment....
MURDER is the wrong charge, and charges need to be filed vs the correct people that created this mess....Stop blaming the officers for everything!!!
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Taylor was not innocent. Here is the proof.
She was on jailhouse recordings running drugs for her boyfriend. She was under surveillance for months.
The warrant was for her car and apartment - the cops were exactly where the warrant was issued for.
By the way - the "no-knock" story? It was a lie. Her boyfriend admitted to the Grand Jury that the Officers knocked. And he admitted shooting at police - wounding one - which drew return fire.
Here is the several page report that explains her involvement.
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She was on jailhouse recordings running drugs for her boyfriend. She was under surveillance for months.
The warrant was for her car and apartment - the cops were exactly where the warrant was issued for.
By the way - the "no-knock" story? It was a lie. Her boyfriend admitted to the Grand Jury that the Officers knocked. And he admitted shooting at police - wounding one - which drew return fire.
Here is the several page report that explains her involvement.
[link to www.yumpu.com (secure)]
This is such a sad take on the situation and it's at the heart of why people are protesting. If the police broke into your house and killed one of your family members, I wonder if you'd just chalk it up to an epic failure with no blame on the officers that used excessive/deadly force. No, you'd be fucking livid and demanding justice. Imagine if you were Breonna Taylor's father.
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September 24, 2020
The truth finally emerges about Breonna Taylor's death
By Andrea Widburg
The truth has finally emerged about Breonna Taylor's death this past March. It turns out (surprise!) that the Democrat party ? in Congress, in the media, and on the streets ? has been lying. Taylor was not a complete innocent whom racist police slaughtered in her bed during a no-knock raid. Instead, she was the victim of her poor choices in men: her friendship with a local drug kingpin justified the raid, and her boyfriend's decision to open fire on police who had knocked and identified themselves led to her shooting. That certainly doesn't mean she deserved to die, but it explains why she did.
The case begins with Breonna's ex-boyfriend, Jamarcus Glover. The Louisville Courier-Journal delved deeply into that relationship, while the following is a summary.
Glover is an accused drug-trafficker who is believed to be part of a large drug- and weapons-trafficking ring in Louisville. According to an affidavit, Glover went to Taylor's apartment in January, left the apartment holding a package, and went straight to a "known drug house."
That wasn't Glover's only trip to Breonna's apartment. Police had placed a tracking device on Glover's car, which showed he made frequent trips to her apartment, leading police to believe that her apartment was a holding place for drugs and money. Glover was also heard telling someone that Taylor handled his money, although there is no evidence that this statement was true.
Taylor also seemed familiar with Glover's world of drugs. When he was arrested in January, he called to ask her to locate an associate who could post bail. She answered that the associate was "already at the trap," slang for a drug-trafficking house. On another occasion, Taylor posted a $2,500 bond for Darreal Forest, another man who police suspect was involved in the drug ring.
The Courier-Journal has still more evidence of the close connection between Glover and Taylor. That's why the police got a warrant to search Taylor's house.
Whether or not Taylor was involved in the drug and weapons ring, she ran with a bad crowd. She would have done well to heed Aesop, who warned, "If you choose bad companions, no one will believe that you are anything but bad yourself."
Taylor didn't choose any more wisely when it came to her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker. He was the reason the police shot Breonna.
Kentucky attorney general Daniel Cameron held a press conference on Wednesday, explaining all of the grand jury's findings. The most important one was that the police did not do a no-knock raid. That was what everyone was told to justify why Breonna's boyfriend, Walker, shot at the police when they entered the apartment:
Evidence shows that officers both knocked and announced their presence at the apartment. The officers' statements about their announcement are corroborated by an independent witness who was near in a proximity to apartment four. In other words, the warrant was not served as a no-knock warrant.
When Walker and Taylor did not answer the door, the officers broke the door. Sergeant Mattingly entered, saw Walker with a gun pointed at him, and felt himself get shot. It happened that quickly. Walker confirmed that he fired the first shot, and ballistics shows his bullet wounded Mattingly.
At that point, all of the officers opened fire. As a reminder, they did it because one of their own had taken a bullet, and they all knew that they were in a kill or be killed situation. Moreover, the barrage of bullets they fired (32 bullets) was appropriate. The magical single shot that takes out the bad guy in Hollywood movies doesn't exist. Once you start shooting, you must shoot to end the threat completely.
Six of the bullets struck Breonna. It's telling that none hit Walker. Had he run away or hidden behind her? Or was she just very unlucky? Cameron doesn't say.
Concerning the fatal shots, Cameron debunks another lie. The media claimed that Breonna was in bed, implying a passive figure whom the police massacred. In fact, Taylor was standing at Walker's side, and she knew or should have known that Walker was armed:
Sergeant Mattingly identified two individuals standing beside one another at the end of the hall, a male and a female. In his statement, he says that the male was holding a gun, arms extended in a shooting stance.
Both Cameron and the grand jury showed real bravery in refusing to indict police officers who did everything by the book, only to find themselves under fire. Although she did not deserve to die, the fact is that Breonna made terrible choices when it came to the men in her life. These choices started a chain reaction that ended with her dying almost instantly from one of the six bullets that hit her.
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...bout_breonna_taylors_death.html#ixzz6YyJtw2WC
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It?s cute that you think AmericanThinker is a good source. It?s also scary that you think her death was somehow justified.
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Gary, are you disputing the Grand Jury testimony?
Stop attacking and do some research.
What's your problem man, go riot / protest if you think you have all the answers.
Stop attacking and do some research.
What's your problem man, go riot / protest if you think you have all the answers.
That?s the whole point of the article, nitwit!!!! You posted it!
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Grand Jury TESTIMONY, what is your problem, are we to stick our head in the sand and not educate ourselves?
I think what is sad Gary, is the fact that you are defending a felon "only" because of race! If this was a white couple it would not even make a news story! I guess we are headed for a white and black constitution ? White people are held to a higher standard because of social injustice? If my daughter was aiding and abetting a felon and were caught in the cross fires from the felon shooting at police, I would be fucking livid that she was stupid enough to put herself in that situation. JMO .......
