father of pakistani nuclear program sells technology to despots..MUST READ....

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this is something that should scare the hell out of all of us.....this should be the lead story on the front page of every newspaper in this country......

this is what we are fighting to prevent...and it looks like the genie is out of the bottle.....

i know this is extreme,but all democratic western nations....as a matter of fact,all nations that have any interest in continuing to live in this world as we know it,should address this issue immediately...

this one threatens us all...this bastard should have a hit squad put on his ass.....

the ramifications of this man`s actions are so dire it`s hard to overstate the issue...


by mansoor ijaz.....



"The admission this week by Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan that he transferred Pakistan's nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya is a watershed event in the history of global non-proliferation efforts. Never has nuclear technology been shared on such a wide scale by such a poor country with such potentially disastrous results. And no one seemed to really care too much about the whole affair.

Brushed aside were the legal, political and security ramifications of potential involvement by Pakistan's past and present military and intelligence officials in the package deal ? negotiated behind closed doors ? to close the controversy generated by Dr. Khan's decades-long illegal actions. The deal essentially forced Dr. Khan to admit his guilt alone and to exonerate any government officials, past or present, in the transfer of nuclear centrifuge technology (to enable the creation of enriched uranium), bomb designs or warhead components in exchange for a full presidential pardon issued by Gen. Pervez Musharraf and approved by his cabinet on Thursday.

Even more disturbing, however, was the apparent "free-pass" issued by the Bush White House to Gen. Musharraf in an attempt to keep his government alive and stable. The assumption made was that had Dr. Khan opted to defend himself and his actions at a trial for treason, he would have spilled the beans on everyone in government, military and intelligence circles that was involved in the approval ? explicit or implicit ? of the nuclear transfers. But the calculation that making Dr. Khan the fall guy, thereby ending inquiry and bringing closure to this nuclear scandal (because Musharraf is too valuable as an ally in the war on terror to let his government collapse), makes the assumption that there are no other countries or terrorist groups to which Pakistani nuclear assets have been transferred.

Despite Pakistani denials and statements to the contrary, this is far from certain.

The civilized world, led by an American administration that has made unraveling terrorism's nerve centers its central foreign policy goal, has a right to know whether or not other countries or groups have received nuclear technologies and intellectual assistance from Pakistan's rogue elements before Gen. Musharraf slams the door shut on any independent auditing of his nuclear books. That he feels the matter can be closed in such a cavalier manner is a slight to American taxpayers who are funding his very survival, and to civilized people everywhere who now have to wonder whether terrorists have the materials to not only build radiological "dirty" bombs, but to build functional nuclear weapons that can destroy the fabric of peace and humankind.

The Bush White House must be called upon by the American people to compel our ally, Gen. Musharraf, to open his records for independent verification and inspection so we can unravel the nuclear black market before more dangerous transfers are made, and to accept nuclear safeguards ? like sensors, alarms, tamper-proof seals, safekeeping vaults and closed-circuit cameras ? that insure at least Pakistan's nuclear materials are never again available for use by unauthorized parties.

To do otherwise would be to sew the same seeds for an attack of incalculable consequences on American soil by terrorists who received aid from an American ally ? funded by American taxpayer money while America's political leaders looked the other way. It seems, at times, that we learned nothing from the lessons of the politicized intelligence failures that led to the death, mayhem and destruction we suffered on September 11, 2001.".....

should scare the hell out of everybody...
 
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gw,

i agree with you that this very frightening. it seems to me that the press is more concerned about alot of other things, which in the big picture is minor, compared to the actions of this scientist.
 

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why don't we just cry about what bush did in vietnam. that is much more important than this trivial stuff.
i'm glad to have a president that gives people like khaddafi pause.
 

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Notice the country Pakistan. Were in bed with that country right now. And we better pray nothing happens to there leader.
We would find out how important Iraq isn't when we would start pulling troops out to go to Pakistan. The good news this has been in all the papers last weekend. It's no secreat. The other good news they sold nothing to Iraq.
 

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unfortunately,"i think"you are wrong again,djv

unfortunately,"i think"you are wrong again,djv

i understand that they have info indicating that iraq was also involved in obtaining this technology.....

i`ll try and dig up the link....
 

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One thing he is not incorrect about is that we are very much in bed with Pakistan right now. Great ally we got there.
 

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here`s something

here`s something

i know that in the interview that i saw,mansoor ijaz stated that there may be info forthcoming about iraq`s involvevment....

this is in no way proof,as i`m not sure how deep this investigation may go given that some high pakistani government officials as well as saudi arabia,germany and south africa could also be involved,,,,

to be fair,at this point,i have seen no proof in print regarding iraq...

here`s more info..appears that saudi arabia....the united arab emirates,JAPAN AND GERMANY were also involved.....

*************THIS IS WHY THE U.S. DOES NOT NEED,NOR SHOULD THEY WAIT FOR APPROVAL FROM OTHER NATIONS TO ACT IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS**********


US mum on trial for Pakistan nuclear leaker
Wed Feb 4,11:02 PM ET


WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States said it was up to Pakistan to decide whether to prosecute Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of its nuclear program who sensationally admitted selling atomic secrets.




Top US officials have staked out a careful response to the revelations, despite months of behind the scenes pressure for a probe into claims that Pakistani nuclear knowhow ended up in the hands of US foes Libya, Iran and Iraq..............


They have apparently been keen to ensure that Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, who has faced domestic opposition to his high-profile role in the US anti-terror campaign, is not seen to be acting under American pressure.


In a stunning development, Khan earlier went on Pakistani television to confess he had "much to answer for" and begged forgiveness.


He said he accepted full responsibility for the nuclear transfers which he said were carried out "in good faith but on errors of judgement related to unauthorised proliferation activities."


White House spokesman Scott McClellan declined to call on Pakistan to prosecute Khan.


"That is a matter that the government of Pakistan is addressing," he said.


"We appreciate their efforts to address what is a serious concern which is the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction."


State Department spokesman Richard Boucher added that Musharraf had "assured the international community that he intends to make sure that Pakistan's nuclear technology, weapons of mass destruction expertise, does not contribute to proliferation."


"We consider that this investigation and the seriousness with which they have pursued this matter testifies to the fact that they are serious about meeting their commitments in that regard."


The investigation was prompted by information from Iran that was forwarded to Pakistan via the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in November.


"The government of Pakistan is continuing to look into issues of proliferation. There is an ongoing investigation in Pakistan related to proliferation issues and the government of Pakistan is still addressing these issues," McClellan told reporters.
 
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AND ANOTHER

AND ANOTHER

At Least 7 Nations Tied To Pakistani Nuclear Ring
Sun Feb 8,12:00 AM ET Add Top Stories - washingtonpost.com


By Peter Slevin, John Lancaster and Kamran Khan, Washington Post Staff Writers

VIENNA, Feb. 7 -- The rapidly expanding probe into a Pakistani-led nuclear trafficking network extended to at least seven nations Saturday as investigators said they had traced businesses from Africa, Asia and Europe to the smuggling ring controlled by Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan.


seven days after Khan confessed on television to selling his country's nuclear secrets, Western diplomats and intelligence officials said they were just beginning to understand the scale of the network, a global enterprise that supplied nuclear technology and parts to Libya, Iran, North Korea (news - web sites) and possibly others.


"Dr. Khan was not working alone. Dr. Khan was part of a process," said Mohamed ElBaradei, director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the Vienna-based U.N. agency that is conducting the probe along with U.S. and other Western intelligence agencies. "There were items that were manufactured in other countries. There were items that were assembled in a different country."


Meanwhile, Pakistani officials disclosed that they had launched their own probe of Khan's activities in October after the Bush administration presented what one senior official described as "mind-boggling" evidence that Khan was peddling nuclear technology and expertise to Iran, Libya and North Korea, and had attempted to do the same with Iraq (news - web sites) and Syria.


The evidence included detailed records of Khan's travels to Libya, Iran, North Korea and other nations, along with intercepted phone conversations, financial documents and accounts of meetings with foreign businessmen involved in illicit nuclear sales, the Pakistani officials said.


Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, was personally briefed on the evidence on Oct. 6 by a U.S. delegation led by Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage. Gen. John Abizaid, the head of U.S. Central Command, made a similar presentation to Pakistani political and military leaders, the officials said.


"This was the most important development for us since 9/11," one of the Pakistani officials said. "One more time, the ball was in the court of General Pervez Musharraf."


Khan, known in Pakistan as the creator of the country's atomic bomb, acknowledged in the televised statement Wednesday that he had passed nuclear secrets to others, saying that he acted without authorization from his government. A day later, Musharraf pardoned Khan.


U.S. and U.N. investigators say Khan's nuclear trading network represents one of the most egregious cases of nuclear proliferation ever discovered. Using suppliers and middlemen scattered across three continents, the network delivered a variety of machines and technology for enriching uranium, a key ingredient in nuclear weapons. In the case of Libya, at least, it provided blueprints for the bombs themselves.


Khan's network provided "one-stop shopping" for nuclear technology and parts, said a senior U.S. official, who described how supply met demand in what amounted to a centralized ordering system.


"If I want to buy an IBM computer, I don't have to go to every single element of IBM," the official said, by way of analogy. "I can go to their salesman, and he fixes me up just fine."


Diplomats familiar with the Pakistan operation say Khan and his closest associates were the "salesmen" who filled orders for Libya and other customers. In the case of Libya, representatives of Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi contacted the Pakistanis, who relayed the requests to middlemen.


The middlemen, in turn, found suppliers to produce the necessary components. Finished parts were then shipped to a firm in the Persian Gulf emirate of Dubai, which arranged for delivery to Libya. The interception of a significant shipment of components in Italy last fall led to Gaddafi's decision to eliminate his nonconventional weapons programs, U.S. officials contend.


Companies or individuals in at least seven countries, including Pakistan, were involved, knowledgeable officials said. Among the countries known to be involved are Malaysia, South Africa, Japan, the United Arab Emirates and Germany. A company in another European country was also involved, two diplomats said.


The commodities produced for Libya ranged from electronics and vacuum systems to high-strength metals used in manufacturing gas centrifuges, which are used in making enriched uranium.


"It was a remarkable network that was able in the end to provide a turn-key gas centrifuge facility and the wherewithal to make more centrifuges," said former IAEA inspector David Albright, a physicist who has studied the nuclear procurement networks of Iran and Libya. "The technology holder was always Khan. Suppliers came and went, but Khan was always there."


Libya and Iran have already given investigators the names of many of the companies and middlemen involved, and are continuing to offer more, according to Western diplomats familiar with the investigation.





Two German businessmen identified by Libya as alleged suppliers of centrifuge technology -- Otto Heilingbrunner and Gotthard Lerch -- have been interviewed by IAEA investigators but not charged with any crimes, according to two officials close to the investigation. A third German named by Libya, Heinz Mebus, is now deceased. All were formerly employed by companies that manufacture equipment used in gas centrifuges.

Heilingbrunner, reached by phone at his home in southern Germany, said he tried to sell aircraft parts to Iran in the 1980s, but said he never sold nuclear technology to anyone.

"I never did business with this junk," said Heilingbrunner. "I do not know how they came up with me." A senior Bush administration official said the Khan connection may have provided everything Libya acquired for its nascent nuclear program, including weapons designs. The designs were later handed to U.S., British and IAEA officials in Tripoli and are now being studied in the United States.

The disclosure of Armitage's October visit by Pakistani officials provides new details of a claim made this week in a speech by CIA (news - web sites) Director George J. Tenet. Tenet said the intelligence agency had successfully penetrated Khan's network long before the IAEA went to Pakistan in November with evidence of illicit technology transfers to Iran.

Two Pakistani officials said Armitage presented the case against Khan and several other associates during a meeting with Musharraf at his official army residence in the city of Rawalpindi. The Americans asked Pakistan to verify the information independently and to take action against those involved, the officials said.

"We were told that Pakistan's failure to take action will most certainly jeopardize its ties with the United States and other important nations," one of the Pakistani officials said. The U.S. officials warned Pakistan that failure to act on the information could lead to sanctions by the United States and the United Nations (news - web sites).

Musharraf was said to be stunned by the detailed evidence against Khan and his associates. "It seemed that the Americans had a tracker planted on Khan's body," a Pakistani official said. "They know much more than us about Dr. Khan's wealth spread all over the globe."

Among other things, he added, the U.S. officials presented evidence of Khan's alleged attempts to sell nuclear secrets to Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) when he was president of Iraq and reported that Khan had traveled to Beirut for a clandestine meeting with a top Syrian official in the mid-1990s.

During the second week in November, an Iranian delegation led by a deputy foreign minister, Gholam Ali Khoshru, arrived in Islamabad, according to a third senior Pakistani official.

"They used a very careful formulation," the official recalled of the visit. "They said they had acquired components and designs in '87 from the black market -- they mentioned Dubai -- and said two of the individuals involved were of South Asian origin, though not from the same country. They hinted they were under scrutiny from the IAEA and would have to make these declarations" about who had supplied the technology.

Shortly afterward, the IAEA delivered its findings on Iran in a two-page letter, and Pakistan's investigation began in earnest. Musharraf ordered the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) and Strategic Planning and Development Cell to check out the evidence that had been provided by the United States and the U.N. agency, the officials said.

ISI officials traveled to Malaysia, Dubai, Iran and Libya and "found that evidence against Dr. Khan was accurate," one of the officials said.

Staff writer Joby Warrick in Washington and researcher Shannon Smiley in Berlin contributed to this report. Lancaster reported from Islamabad and Khan from Karachi......

man.....we can`t trust anybody....these countries are selling their souls to the devil...
 

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i would not be surprised if iraq was the first one in line to get these nuclear secrets.

there is nothing anybody can say to convince me that iraq didn't have wmd or that alqaeda wasn't associated with saddam & his thugs. and if people really think otherwise, then imo they have their head buried in the sand.

as far as pakistan is concerned, musharef is somebody we know & can work with. we don't know who will take over, if he is ousted. so that is why the us overlooks some of what is going on there.
 

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AR182 the point is we just cant be every place and taking care of it. We cant get Iraq right. How the hell we going to do any better next time. So when I here about the great ledership we have right now. Well I once thought it was ok not great but ok. Im starting to see maybe not ok. Man we cant cover the world. This is why you keep Nato and the UN involved. Not piss them off.
Folks Iraq was not mentioned as getting anything from this dude. You know dam well if there was proof Bush's team would be all over it with TV apperances and adds on TV. Man they would go to the highest mountain and shout it out. So there is no link. You will know if it's ever found to be true.
 

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djv,

you should do a search at this forum for the half-dozen or so of my posts that give plenty of examples of wmd in iraq.

one of them talks about the israeli intelligence stating that saddam shipped the wmd's to syria.

there have been numerous reports of about a half dozen trucks leaving iraq & entering syria just before the war started.

i don't know why the bush administration hasn't said anything publically about this & i have heard commentators wondering the same thing.
 

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AR182 I was talking only about this dude from Pakistan that sold nuke info to three or four places. Iraq was not one of them nor was it mentioned. However some here at once said oh yes Iraq was part of it. They and You and I will know the day it's true if it is. Man Bushs team would hit the air waves and shout it out. I can here it already. It would go on for a week at least. Look we got proof. In fact I said all along. Bushs team if as SMART as some think. They will produce what ever they need around July/August. If they Wait past that point it will look to contrived for the election. July /August would give them the repeat with out questioned.
 
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This Pakistan issue is quite interesting.
While musharef is an huge ally (mostly becaused "OUR Operatives have saved his ass twice from assasination)
he is among a minority in P-stan that favor U.S.
Attemps made on his life came from info from the higher-ups in his gov. Only handful of people knew time-date and route on last attempt. I really expect them to get job done eventially---then what????
 

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my post

my post

wasn`t in any way a shot at musharef......i agree with ar1 and bark that the guy is moving against the tide in trying to be a u.s. ally.......part of the reason this guy was pardoned is that i believe a full scale investigation probably would have torn his government apart...and the fundamentalists in pakistan are waiting for their chance to gain control...we send considerable aid to pakistan to try and help keep musharef`s regime stable...


just didn`t see much mentioned on the news about this....and i can`t think of anything that`s more relevant to us than our ongoing security struggle...

this fellow mansoor ijaz is a very sharp guy...i`ve seen him on the news channels several times...and he`s dead right about it being in our best interests to try and trace the tentacles of this conspiracy....

but,i think at this point in time,we are losing the battle against nuclear proliferation....

the rest of the world seems disinterested....europe,with the exception of the brits,is burying their collective heads in the sand(as they always do)....

now we find that japan,germany,the u.a.e. and south africa may have been involved in this nuclear espionage ring....

i don`t see how it can be stopped.....iit appears to be the u.s.,britain and a few others against an apathetic world.....

we are heading for an inevitable catastrophe.imo...
 

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Mjolnir-Bush was never in Vietnam to do anything.He was doing what Dan Quayle and every rich kid whose parents had pull did,he hid in the national guard,which then was not used to fight overseas as it is now.A very brave leader when its not his life to lose.
 
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