FBI ?lured dimwits? into terror plot

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FBI ?lured dimwits? into terror plot

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6350389.ece
The arrest of petty crooks over a plan to target Jews has put the use of sting operations under fire

David Williams, one of four suspects, is walked out of FBI offices after being taken into custody
Tony Allen-Mills, New York
ON the steps of New York city hall on Friday, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor, praised the police officers and federal agents who helped disrupt an apparent terrorist plot to blow up a synagogue and shoot down military aircraft.

The mayor was flanked by more than 100 homeland security and counter-terrorist specialists, all of whom had a hand in an elaborate sting that netted four alleged Muslim extremists. Their plan, according to FBI agents, was to detonate a ?fireball that would make the country gasp?.

The operation was acclaimed by New York officials for its success in averting what David Paterson, the state governor, described as ?a heinous crime?.

Yet not every New Yorker was impressed by the latest in a long line of purported anti-terrorist triumphs that have supposedly averted tragedy in New York, Chicago, Toronto and several other North American cities since September 11, 2001.

?This whole operation was a foolish waste of time and money,? claimed Terence Kindlon, a defence lawyer who represented the last terror suspect to be tried in New York state. ?It is almost as if the FBI cooked up the plot and found four idiots to install as defendants.?

Kindlon?s complaints were echoed by other legal experts who have repeatedly questioned the FBI?s reliance on undercover informants ? known as confidential witnesses (CWs) ? who lure gullible radicals into far-fetched plots that are then foiled by the agents monitoring them.

The last such plot purportedly involved an alleged attempt to blow up a fuel pipeline at John F Kennedy airport in New York in 2007; the defendants are awaiting trial in a case that depends heavily on evidence from an undercover CW.

?One question [about the synagogue case] that has to be answered is: did the informant go in and enlist people who were otherwise not considering trouble ?? said Kevin Luibrand, who represented a Muslim businessman caught up in another FBI sting three years ago. ?Did the government induce someone to commit a crime??

The other question that US security experts were debating was how much had been achieved by assigning more than 100 agents to a year-long investigation of three petty criminals and a mentally ill Haitian immigrant, none of whom had any connection with any known terrorist group. ?They were all unsophisticated dimwits,? said Kindlon.

Prosecutors alleged that James Cromitie, a 44-year-old ex-convict who converted to Islam in prison, was the ringleader of a plot to bomb synagogues because, in his tape-recorded words, ?I hate those f****** Jewish bastards?.

Cromitie, from Newburgh, 60 miles north of Manhattan, was said to have recruited three other Muslim converts ? David Williams, 28, and Onta Williams (no relation), 32, both former Baptist American ex-convicts; and Laguerre Payen, 27, a Haitian former Catholic and paranoid schizophrenic.

This unlikely crew was said to have planned to use remotely detonated C4 explosives to bomb synagogues in the New York suburb of Riverdale; they then intended to drive north to a National Guard base near Newburgh to shoot down military aircraft with a Stinger missile supplied by a man they believed was working with Jaish-e-Mohammed, a Pakistan-based terrorist group.

That man is now understood to have been Shahed Hussain, a former New York state motel owner who became an FBI informant in 2002 to avoid deportation to Pakistan after being arrested on fraud charges. Hussain appears to have met Cromitie at a Newburgh mosque where the plot to bomb Jewish targets was hatched.

With Hussain?s help, the FBI was able to monitor every move made by Cromitie and the others. Hussain also provided the group with bogus C4 explosive and a fake Stinger missile and launcher supplied by the FBI. When the conspirators planted their dud bombs outside two Jewish targets on Wednesday night, the FBI was watching. The area was smothered with heavily armed Swat teams, the would-be bombers? exit was blocked and agents hauled them away in handcuffs.

?Did they really need all those men in ninja suits with M16 rifles to arrest four idiots?? wondered Kindlon, a former marine sergeant whose main concern is that real terrorists may be plotting undisturbed while domestic US agencies focus on fantasists. ?Somewhere, someone in Al-Qaeda must be laughing.?

Concern about the FBI?s tactics heightened after Salahuddin Mustafa Muhammad, imam at the Masjid al-Ikhlas mosque in Newburgh, revealed that when Hussain first came to the mosque and started talking about jihad (holy war) ? apparently to identify radical elements for his FBI handlers ? several members immediately concluded that he must be a government agent.

The FBI is known to have infiltrated mosques, and many anti-terrorist experts believe a mosque is the last place a serious Islamic terrorist would plot an attack. ?Anyone with any smarts knew to stay away from [Hussain],? said Muhammad. Yet nobody will accuse Cromitie and his cohorts of being smart.
 

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New York ?Terror Plot? Another Government Provocateured Set-Up

New York ?Terror Plot? Another Government Provocateured Set-Up

New York ?Terror Plot? Another Government Provocateured Set-Up

Officials seize upon arrests with glee to propagandize for the police state and justify targeting American citizens in war on terror



Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, May 21, 2009

The corporate media and the authorities are having a field day lavishing saturation coverage on the so-called New York ?terror plot? in which four men, three of them U.S. citizens, supposedly planned to blow up a Jewish temple and shoot down military planes, feverishly citing it as another example of why we should accept police state measures in major cities and the targeting of American citizens as ?domestic terrorists?.

The only problem with this premise, mirroring just about every other major terror plot and terror bust that we have ever studied, is that the men were radicalized and provocateured by an FBI informant, who provided the group with the fake weapons that led to their arrest.

Just as in every other case, the men will likely turn out to be semi-retarded dropouts who eagerly followed the fed?s lead in the pursuit of a promise of massive cash gifts and a way out of their miserable poverty-stricken lives. However, this won?t be reported with one iota of the gusto that the corporate media are pushing this story today.

What we already know for sure is that the men had been under FBI surveillance for nearly a year. The fact that it took the feds nearly 12 months to get the men to accept fake weapons in order for them to be charged with ?conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction within the United States? is evidence in and of itself that this was a case of entrapment, which is only confirmed when we learn that, ?The FBI and other agencies monitored the men and provided an inactive missile and inert C-4 to the informant for the defendants.?

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said that ?the group was relatively unsophisticated, penetrated early and not connected to any outside group.?

Once again, the FBI identified a disparate group of men that shared the majority of the country?s opinion that the war on terror was wrong, radicalized them, offered them cash incentives for following the lead of the FBI informant and then finally, after a year, got them to accept fake weapons. As in every other case, Without the involvement of the FBI informant, there would have been no ?terror plot? to speak of.

The feds cooked up a phony terror plot and pinned it on these poor suckers so that they could launch a new PR assault for the flagging war on terror and get Americans to submit to increased surveillance, bag searches and checkpoints that are now commonplace in New York City.


This whole PR stunt in another psychological trick designed to enlist public support for the wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq as well as a police state at home to deal with ?domestic terrorists.? We learn that the suspects were upset about ?Muslim people were being killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan by U.S. military forces,? according to officials, the implication being that anyone who opposes the ?war on terror? is a potential terrorist themselves.





Officials have seized upon the arrests to propagandize for the police state with glee, as well as refocusing the apparatus of the war on terror to target U.S. citizens as ?homegrown terrorists?.

?This latest attempt to attack our freedoms shows that the homeland security threats against New York City are sadly all too real and underscores why we must remain vigilant in our efforts to prevent terrorism,? New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a statement.

?This was a long, well-planned investigation, and it shows how real the threat is from homegrown terrorists,? said Rep. Peter King, of New York.

?The shocking plan to blow up a Jewish house of prayer with what the jihadist terrorists thought were C-4 explosives is dramatic proof that the dangers from such fanaticism have not passed and that American Jews must maintain their vigilance,? said a statement released by the infamous Simon Wiesenthal Center, which routinely cites the threat of federally-provocateured extremists as a reason to crush everyone?s free speech and virtually outlaw criticism of the government Israel and Zionist policies.

Of course it?s no coincidence that this arrives on the heels of widespread fury surrounding the MIAC report and other similar federal documents that equate gun owners, people knowledgeable about the Constitution and people who display political bumper stickers, with dangerous ?domestic terrorists?. Officials have seized upon these arrests as a means of reinforcing the notion that ?domestic terrorism? is a real threat when in reality we have never come across a ?domestic terrorist? that didn?t have a fed standing behind him pulling the strings.

The last such major ?domestic terror plot? in America involved a group out of Miami that supposedly planned to ?wage a full ground war against the United States? and bomb the Sears Tower, but who actually turned out to be ?a bunch of dipshits living in a warehouse,? as The Daily Show?s Jon Stewart described them.

As in every other case we have studied, the men turned out to be a semi-retarded street gang that were provocateured by FBI agents into spewing violent rhetoric yet barely had the capability to make a cheese sandwich, never mind bring down the tallest building in America. What they were interested in was a promise of $50,000 in cash from the government informants who were sent in to radicalize them and create a phony victory for the war on terror.

As the Miami New Times newspaper described it, the ?ragtag group couldn?t wage a ground war on a jar of peppercorns.? The whole case descended into a farce as judges repeatedly declared a mistrial while the government tried to save face. After three trials, three juries and nearly three years, the government finally managed to convict the men despite there being ?little concrete evidence of an evolving plot,? as in one that was not wholly provocateured by the FBI informant.

While you watch today?s incessant government fearmongering and celebration of their latest ?terror bust,? recall how last time they pulled this stunt, and the reality of the ?dipshits in a warehouse? farce unfolded, it blew up in their faces and only exposed the entire ?war on terror? for what it really is - a manufactured hoax designed purely around enlisting support for bombing brown people in broken-backed third world countries while convincing Americans to accept their own enslavement at home.
 

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Exactly As We Predicted; Deadly NY Terror Cell Are Semi-Retarded Potheads

Exactly As We Predicted; Deadly NY Terror Cell Are Semi-Retarded Potheads

Exactly As We Predicted; Deadly NY Terror Cell Are Semi-Retarded Potheads



Exactly as we predicted in our headline story yesterday, two of the ringleaders in the ?deadly? New York terror plot salaciously hyped by the media and government officials have turned out to be semi-retarded potheads.

?The men will likely turn out to be semi-retarded dropouts,? we stated in our article yesterday, basing our forecast on the fact that in every other major terror sting in the west given so much prominence by officials and the corporate media, the poor suckers rounded up by the feds always turn out to be low IQ petty criminals down on their luck, provocateured and armed by federal agents.

We already knew that the men were provided with an inert rocket launcher and fake C4 explosives by an FBI informant, and now as more details emerge, our original summation of the case is proving accurate.


?A d v e r t i s e m e n t
?According to an Associated Press report, the four men charged with planning to blow up synagogues and military planes, ?Were amateurs every step of the way. They had trouble finding guns and bought cameras at Wal-Mart to photograph their targets. One was a convicted purse snatcher, another smoked marijuana the day the plot was to be carried out.?

The report continues,?Relatives said the defendants were down-on-their-luck men who worked at places like Wal-Mart, a landscaping company and a warehouse when they weren?t behind bars. Payen?s lawyer said he was ?intellectually challenged? and on medication for schizophrenia. Marilyn Reader said he has ?a very low borderline? IQ.?

Of course, it was only after an FBI informant radicalized these bums and provided them with weapons that they became any kind of threat, providing the feds the opportunity to swoop in, declare a victory in the war on terror and use the case as a poster child for Americans to accept police state measures and believe the hype surrounding ?domestic terrorists? in the wake of controversy surrounding the MIAC report.

As the AP article concedes, ?Some have criticized informants? roles in such cases, saying they egged on and ensnared suspects who weren?t dangerous.?

As we reiterated yesterday, this same scam is played out every single time, but the media very rarely makes a big deal out of it when the suspects turn out to be retarded bums who couldn?t even have achieved whatever the provocateur prodded them into advocating without direct help from the feds. The original hyped story about the foiled deadly terror plot remains in the memory while the truth surrounding the case is buried near the back of the newspaper.

Nowhere was this more evident than in the case of the ?Liberty City 7′, a group out of Miami that supposedly planned to ?wage a full ground war against the United States? and bomb the Sears Tower, but who actually turned out to be ?a bunch of dipshits living in a warehouse,? as The Daily Show?s Jon Stewart described them.
 

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"it was an obvious fbi setup and they would have never planted those bombs unless they knew they were fake".


/it pains me to post this sarcasm,ill......i saw your memorial day post and appreciated the sentiment....

this conspiracy crap,though,i take issue with...
 
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Anybody who fails in a terrorist plot will be labeled an idiot. I can imagine if the 19 highjackers from 9-11 where caught before they carried out their act - certain media sources would have mocked the government and point out it was absurd to think these morons would be able to pull anything off with just box cutters and a few flying lessons. They would have had a field day mocking the gov't and the ineptitude of the plotters. Hindsight is 20/20. It does not take a genius to kill alot of people. Just the will to do so. Dont you think? In fact, its much harder to convice a person with a brain to martyr themselves. You won't see the leaders of Hamas, AQ, etc straping explosives on themselves, but they will gladly use idiots like this to do their work. Praying on the weak minded and desperate is their business.
 

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Anybody who fails in a terrorist plot will be labeled an idiot. I can imagine if the 19 highjackers from 9-11 where caught before they carried out their act - certain media sources would have mocked the government and point out it was absurd to think these morons would be able to pull anything off with just box cutters and a few flying lessons. They would have had a field day mocking the gov't and the ineptitude of the plotters. Hindsight is 20/20. It does not take a genius to kill alot of people. Just the will to do so. Dont you think? In fact, its much harder to convice a person with a brain to martyr themselves. You won't see the leaders of Hamas, AQ, etc straping explosives on themselves, but they will gladly use idiots like this to do their work. Praying on the weak minded and desperate is their business.

well said...not very difficult in a free and open society.....
 

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"it was an obvious fbi setup and they would have never planted those bombs unless they knew they were fake".

Yeah, I agree. That's ridiculous.

I mean, how does that go? 'We know they're fake and likely are the work of the government so why not just set these inert bombs near our targets and risk a life sentence because...well, not sure.'

I suppose it should be assumed that that will be their horribly weak defense, but wtf?
 
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