Food for thought: Are these "undocumented individuals" really crossing the border, or did the border actually cross them in the creation of what we now know as The United States?
What actually is considered "America?" Isn't that actually a continent, and not the United States? Aren't there a lot of other people, other than, um, "Americans" that live on the contininent of America, and in places other than The United States?
Who is, or what is, "an American?"
People throw the "ignorance" term around in this thread and others, and I wonder in type how many people have a fucking clue about the actual history of why they are where they are right now.
Sidebar: Why does the law mention the word "papers?" when talking about proof of citizenship? How many of you have any PAPERS? How many of you have to carry PAPERS around with you IN CASE you are held for a crime? This does not mean a common stop. It means held for a crime. And the police are going to be sued for not conducting this kind of verification business, or they can be sued?
Wow... everything is cool, unless you are a person of (ONE) color or a police officer in Arizona. I mean seriously, what's the problem? All of us have to carry a drivers license when we drive, right?
Chad.Your missing the point though.The people that made this country came legally and became citizens.Your argument is weak and really am surprised your defended this way.
Many people who made this country came legally to settle down here,not running across borders in the middle of the night.Get it??
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Food for thought: Are these "undocumented individuals" really crossing the border, or did the border actually cross them in the creation of what we now know as The United States?
What actually is considered "America?" Isn't that actually a continent, and not the United States? Aren't there a lot of other people, other than, um, "Americans" that live on the contininent of America, and in places other than The United States?
Who is, or what is, "an American?"
People throw the "ignorance" term around in this thread and others, and I wonder in type how many people have a fucking clue about the actual history of why they are where they are right now.
Sidebar: Why does the law mention the word "papers?" when talking about proof of citizenship? How many of you have any PAPERS? How many of you have to carry PAPERS around with you IN CASE you are held for a crime? This does not mean a common stop. It means held for a crime. And the police are going to be sued for not conducting this kind of verification business, or they can be sued?
Wow... everything is cool, unless you are a person of (ONE) color or a police officer in Arizona. I mean seriously, what's the problem? All of us have to carry a drivers license when we drive, right?
Would love to discuss how "we" got here if you
would like. Where you want to start the crossing of
beringia, the landing of europeans, the treaty of
guadelupe-hidalgo(sp), I love discussing those things.
As far as the continent of america I am pretty sure
we live in north america, and as far as I know we
are the only soveriegn nation that uses the word
america in our title so refering to ourselves as
american as apposed to others that do not
claim that title seems understandable. Btw my drivers liscense just as yours is our papers. If you do not have that you need something stating who you are and that you are legit. My college roomate had no liscense but had to have his education visa with him since he was english. Not sure why you and others can't understand this.
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Ricknjax I must say ur mistaken
Ricknjax I must say ur mistaken
The judge is not an Obama appointee.....but an Clinton appointee (Susan Bolton)....hmmmmm Bill continues to live....wow....I am not commenting right now....I am so pissed off, and tomorrow these fucking illegals (of all races I mind you) are going to celebrate on my tax paying streets of PHX. $113 billion is spent every yr on illegals...wow I am just amazed this happened. Look @ the polls and they are all nearly 60-80% say go bk to ur country....but the pools say something catchy so u need to watch...." Over 1,000 citizens were polled HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM You mean illegals were polled YEP they were....So if the poll ran Over 1,000 registered voters were polled, then the numbers would be nearly 90% saying go bk to ur country. I have so much to say but just not right now.
Ricknjax I must say ur mistaken
The judge is not an Obama appointee.....but an Clinton appointee (Susan Bolton)....hmmmmm Bill continues to live....wow....I am not commenting right now....I am so pissed off, and tomorrow these fucking illegals (of all races I mind you) are going to celebrate on my tax paying streets of PHX. $113 billion is spent every yr on illegals...wow I am just amazed this happened. Look @ the polls and they are all nearly 60-80% say go bk to ur country....but the pools say something catchy so u need to watch...." Over 1,000 citizens were polled HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM You mean illegals were polled YEP they were....So if the poll ran Over 1,000 registered voters were polled, then the numbers would be nearly 90% saying go bk to ur country. I have so much to say but just not right now.
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I can tell this is going to be a very exciting issue. They are all coming out for this one. :shrug:
What I can't figure from this admin is their whole idea is federal law trumps state law yet Gumby's clan were the very ones thumbing their noses at federal law in providing sanctuary cities for illegals and refusing to enforce laws.
Its a simple ploy to expand Da Base--add the illegals--implement the no id to vote--give the felons right to vote and you got 35% spot in every election--with the redistribution pledge.
Won't float though--we will see big push for states rights--and this current issue is the beginning.
Its a simple ploy to expand Da Base--add the illegals--implement the no id to vote--give the felons right to vote and you got 35% spot in every election--with the redistribution pledge.
Won't float though--we will see big push for states rights--and this current issue is the beginning.
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If that is the case then would it have not made sense for the Republicans to enforce these same laws when they had complete control for 6 long years?
No because republicans only used the issue as strictly a political issue. They used it as a platform and did NOTHING about the issue.
It will absolutely be appealed--however damage is done for liberals.
They could not have given a greater gift-- :0074
Jan Brewer lost and will lose again. Pissing away Arizona taxpayer's money.
Typical Republican.
The DOJ lawsuit and Judge Bolton's decision were based on solid legal ground for two reasons:
1. The Courts cannot allow States or municipalities to effectively set their own foreign policy by usurping Federal authority on immigration and naturalization. Pending the appeals process, this should provide the DOJ with legal precedent to sue sanctuary cities on the same grounds.
2. The phrase "where reasonable suspicion exists" is too broad and allows law enforcement to consider race and/or color when deciding whether to ask someone for proof of citizenship. That's racial profiling and it's unConstitutional in that it subjects all "legal" Hispanics to the same profiling as "illegals".
WRONG. (Not that facts or accuracy are important, right?)
That's what Clinton gets for listening to the suggestion of a right wing Senate promoter of the judge he nominated:
Ironically, on the recommendation of Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) ? an ardent proponent of SB-1070 ? Bolton was nominated to the United States District Court for the District of Arizona by President Bill Clinton back in 2000. During her confirmation hearing, Kyl stated:
Well, there is one person in our state who?s a real expert on this in the judiciary, and that?s Judge Bolton. And because of her expertise and fairness, all of the contending interests from Arizona have been willing to place their concerns before her to be resolved, and she is right in the middle of this important litigation right now. They will be very sorry to see her leave in Maricopa County Superior Court bench. So, I have some mixed emotions in helping to nominate or to confirm Judge Bolton, but that?s how highly thought of she is.
Seriously, guys, take a step back from the bone for a minute... Any other democrats you'd like to incorrectly rip for this? Truth can be a real bitch sometimes, can't it?
The people that made this country left their home country because they felt like they could make more money by coming to this country. When they realized it was inhabited, they decided to take all the land, bring over slaves to work that land for them, displace, murder and drive out the indigenous people who were here before them. They took over land wherever they could, to the west, and then to the south. How you can call what they did legal is very much arguable.
The people who MADE this country - who exactly do you mean? The 3/5 actual person slaves who worked the land and made the land barons prosperous? The Chinese they brought over the build the railroads, and then sent them back home when they were built? The Mexicans, Chinese and filipinos they had working the gold mines to keep the wealth coming, until that ran it's course and they expelled them, too?
Or do you mean the rich white Anglo Saxon Protestant slave owners that made sure women and anyone not a WASP could not vote, after establishing this country to benefit themselves, and ONLY themselves?
Where was the border originally - that you are talking about the new Mexicans running across? Didn't our soldiers run across the border of their land to take over their land? Didn't we promise autonomy and to allow them to keep their land, until that became inconvenient? Didn't we establish The Forest Service to maintain countless acres of land we could not use and had no real use for, instead of allowing people to use it like we agreed to?
That's enough for now. Yes, many immigrants came here "legally" to "settle down." If that makes you sleep better at night, great for you. Ignorance is bliss, right?
