final play for me until the conference tournaments ....

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not gonna have the necessary time to post or do enough capping to make posting worthwhile until the beginning of march. this will be the last play from me until conference tourney time.

this is a very big play for me. aside from detroit screwing me vs. csu this year, really feel like ive capped csu very well both 'for' and 'against'. actually i think detroit is the only team ive lost a csu bet with. but enough digression.

cleveland state (-1.5) over loyola-chicago

play it or fade it. but im hitting it hard and then laying low for two weeks.

will post some reasoning when i get a chance.
 

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alright G...since its your last play till tourny count me in...haven't tailed you in a while...
 

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good luck buddy, but did you realize that conference tourneys begin in less than a week??????

why take any time off???????????
 

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ok, some reasoning on csu.

first, this game has significant implications for the upcoming conference tournament. csu finishes the season with 2 games at home. loyola on wednesday night and milwaukee on saturday evening. if the vikings win both, they will secure themselves a home game for the first round of the tourney. if the vikings stumble this week, not only will they have played themselves out of hosting a 1st round game, but (and perhaps more importantly) they will have played themselves onto milwaukee's side of the bracket for the tourney. this game is very important to them because they cant afford to be going into the season finale needing to not only beat milwaukee but hope for some help elsewhere in the league. if that doesnt make any sense, it breaks down to this: csu cant afford to lose to loyola if they want any shot of making a run in the league tourney.

now for some more fundamental reasoning.

* loyola is playing well as of late, but this game is the final leg of a 3-game road trip all in the span of a week. ramblers played illinois-chicago in a big rivalry game, then to evansville for the bracket buster, and now travel to cleveland to close out the road trip. not a particularly ideal spot for them.

* the first meeting in chicago went to loyola, but raheem moss didnt play because of a bad ankle. vikings had a tough time replacing his overall scoring (12ppg) as well as his ability to knock down 3s (40% on the year)

* csu will be back to full strength after being shorthanded the last few games. westley sat out the entire 1st half of the detroit game, and moss only played 10 minutes against central michigan and took two shots before leaving the game due to illness (and the double digit lead csu had built evaportated)

* take this entirely for what its worth, but after listening to garland after the central michigan game, he 'sold me' on the likelihood of cleveland state bringing a solid effort this week against loyola. he felt that even wthout moss for the majority of the central michigan game that they still should have been able to pull it out. when he talked about the upcoming week, i was pretty impressed with how he wasnt saying 'we're gonna try to play better and win these games' but instead he emphatically said 'we will play better and we won't accept anything less and we expect to win'. again, this is purely subjective on my part. but i just liked how it wasnt the normal 'coachspeak' or the typical 'we're gonna try and regroup and give it our best shot'. it was 'we WILL play better this week. obviously garland isnt the one tossing up the shots, but at the same time, i liked what i heard.

if cleveland state stumbles here, they deserve what they get in the conference tourney. i just dont see loyola winning this game. i hope csu realizes that winning the next two (even with a saturday home date vs. milwaukee) isnt out of the question because they catch loyola on the final leg of a 3-gm road trip, and then milwaukee will be coming in not only having the conference long wrapped up, but with the panthers off a trip to hawaii a game ago. under normal circumstances, id say csu would get their ass handed to them by uwm, but these two games are there for the taking due to scheduling. and it obviously helps that the vikes will be back at full strength will moss and westley starting.

win or lose, im out for a week and a half or so after this one. but ill be damned if im going out with a loss.
 

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Gman i cap this game at chic -3, but of course with the injury the last 5 games would count about 2 points. One hot one not, made me lean towards chic at first. I don't want to jinx ya so i'm staying away. Nice info thou and good luck with the play.
 

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Thanks Gman, you are a true genius. Unreal how you smack the mac( im a poet and i didnt even know it)!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Oddly I am considering a short hiatus as well. I am getting a bit crispy from a long season of number crunching. It would be a good idea to go into the MAC tourney, where I have really flourished the past two seasons, refreshed and eager once again .

Leaning Miiami O +3' tonight as the Zips have had their troubles against the better Ds that they have faced this season. Any thoughts on this one?
 

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gman i really like this play so do the sharps along with furman,akron and wilm gl
 

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rcx:

thats a tough game. marshall has had a miserable season but theyre not a terrible team. but they just cant seal the deal in a lot of their games. id venture to say theyve been within 5 points late in about 5 or 6 games this year and pulled out none of them. someone (forget who) made a good point in another thread -- buffalo is laying road chalk after traveling cross-country to california to playing fresno (in what was a real grinder, 52-49 i believe). never know what youre gonna get from buffalo. if i had a gun to my head, id say marshall. but line is too short for my liking.

spang:

as you saw firsthand, its a matter of which akron team shows up. the one that got smacked around for 30:00 in miami...or the one who dominanted the final 10:00 and almost came all the way back from 18 down. i dont trust miami's offense on the road this season but dont trust akron to close out the game at the line or in crunch time if it comes to that. if youre gonna be in attendance, enjoy the game. would have to say its miami or nothin, but nothin for me.
 
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gman, seeing UNCONFIRMED reports that westley is not playing tonite due to confrontation w/ coach, supposedly some bs during a practice...i offer this so that you might be able to check your sources & determine if this is bogus or not...gl, caper
 

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caper:

thanks for the heads up. garland is no pushover, but if he suspends westley for this one, he's doing the team a disservice, not to mention the fact that westley is a senior on his final homestand. for those reasons, im skeptical of the report. but will look into it. i know he was benched for the 1st half of the detroit game last week but then played a great 2h and then started as usual vs cmichigan. he'd have to be a real knucklehead to get into shit again. that said, he is a knucklehead but dont think hed jeopardize his final few gms of his career though. regardless, very much appreciate your post.
 
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here is how it reads, from another site:

Cleveland State's best player, Omari Westley (17 PPG, 3rd in conference, 8+ RPG, 1st in conference) is NOT playing tonight. This was just told to the players about 45 minutes ago and has NOT hit the mainstream press or Vegas. I don't even know if it will get out until game time, but his 31 minutes a game will not be possible for that team to replace.

Well, even go to csuvikings.com and read their game notes. It talks about Westley trying to over take the top two scorers in the league to win both points and rebounds. And it says he needs a big game tonight. He walked into practice Monday, coach said he was late, he said he wasn't. Coach told him to run, he wouldn't. Coach said to run or get out, and he left. He didn't go to practice yesterday and he wasn't at shootaround today from 2-3 PM. Those are the facts of the situation. COach said at the end of practice "We will be going with 10 guys tonight" meaning w/o Westley and another injured player.

as mentioned, unconfirmed & i'm not personally vouching for it...caper
 

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gman just called http://www.sportstalkcleveland.com/ one of the sports guys said did not hear that but I can find out. He said "I can find out let me call my team source hold a minute". Gibbs who does the coaches show said that he would have been notified if he was out. He will be starting tonight.

if anyone needs to verify : 216-578-0850
 

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nice work cooler. yeah sportstalkcleveland is the one who broadcasts the csu games over the internet feed. its basically the AM flagship station of csu, just on the net. i know sometimes SIDs can be evasive but it looks like you got the legit scoop not from an SID but from someone who does the coaches show. props. if anything changes on my way to the game, ill try to find a way to let you guys know. pregame show starts at 6:30 on that internet feed.
 
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