fla. vs. bama....

[AR182]

i just saw at another forum that pinnacle opened with fla-4.5 & is now fla.-3.5....wonder what the total would be....

meanwhile i think tcu should also be in the national title discussiion....

the 4 best teams that i have seen this year are in so specific order....

fla., bama, texas, & tcu....with tcu maybe being the best team in the country....

i would like to see these 4 play for the title....

 

[UGA12]

Virginia WON 30-14
TEXAS STATE WON 56-21
Clemson WON 14-10
SMU WON 39-14
Air Force WON 20-17
COLORADO STATE WON 44-6
Brigham Young WON 38-7
UNLV WON 41-0
San Diego State WON 55-12
UTAH WON 55-28
Wyoming
NEW MEXICO

Can you really believe that TCU is better than the other three with this schedule. I am by no means a hater and think TCU in a one game situation could stick with or even beat one of the big boys, but do you think they are undefeated at this point if they played in the sec or big 12? I know it is all speculation since we have the shit system we do, but I just cant buy that they would be undefeated in either other conference. Would make to much sense for the final 4 to play it out and settle it on the field wouldnt it

BTW I think the total in fla/ala will be around 40 and I will be on ala and the under

 

[joefrog91]

Virginia WON 30-14
TEXAS STATE WON 56-21
Clemson WON 14-10
SMU WON 39-14
Air Force WON 20-17
COLORADO STATE WON 44-6
Brigham Young WON 38-7
UNLV WON 41-0
San Diego State WON 55-12
UTAH WON 55-28
Wyoming
NEW MEXICO

Can you really believe that TCU is better than the other three with this schedule. I am by no means a hater and think TCU in a one game situation could stick with or even beat one of the big boys, but do you think they are undefeated at this point if they played in the sec or big 12? I know it is all speculation since we have the shit system we do, but I just cant buy that they would be undefeated in either other conference. Would make to much sense for the final 4 to play it out and settle it on the field wouldnt it

BTW I think the total in fla/ala will be around 40 and I will be on ala and the under

Yes, I do. None of these other schedules strike fear into anyone.
Charleston Southern W 62-3
Troy W 56-6
Tennessee W 23-13
@ Kentucky W 41-7
@ LSU W 13-3
Arkansas W 23-20
@ Mississippi State W 29-19
vs. Georgia W 41-17
Vanderbilt W 27-3
@ South Carolina W 24-14
Florida International
Florida State

Virginia Tech W, 34-24
Florida International W, 40-14
North Texas W, 53-7
Arkansas W, 35-7
at Kentucky W, 38-20
at Mississippi W, 22-3
South Carolina W, 20-6
Tennessee W, 12-10
LSU W, 24-15
at Mississippi State W, 31-3
Tennessee-Chattanooga
at Auburn

Louisiana-Monroe W 59-20
at Wyoming W 41-10
Texas Tech W 34-24
UTEP W 64-7
Colorado W 38-14
Oklahoma* W 16-13
at Missouri W 41-7
at Oklahoma State W 41-14
UCF W 35-3
at Baylor W 47-14
Kansas s
at Texas A&M

Just because the SEC and Big XII are AQ conferences doesn't make them automatically better. I don't want to get into "traditionally better" or "historically better". I'm talking about 2009. There's an article in the Orlando Sentinel that shows the top 4 teams' opponents have similar win-loss records.

If you want to talk about hypotheticals, if TCU was in one of the big six conferences they would have access to BCS money, big time recruits and be even more dominating than they are now. Don't think that's possible, look at Cincy. They were in the same conference as TCU a few years ago and look at them now. They are dominating the Big East because they have access now.

Sorry for the rant, but I get so tired of all the "who have they played" and "couldn't compete in a big conference" arguments.

 

[pistol495]

Virginia WON 30-14
TEXAS STATE WON 56-21
Clemson WON 14-10
SMU WON 39-14
Air Force WON 20-17
COLORADO STATE WON 44-6
Brigham Young WON 38-7
UNLV WON 41-0
San Diego State WON 55-12
UTAH WON 55-28
Wyoming
NEW MEXICO

Can you really believe that TCU is better than the other three with this schedule. I am by no means a hater and think TCU in a one game situation could stick with or even beat one of the big boys, but do you think they are undefeated at this point if they played in the sec or big 12? I know it is all speculation since we have the shit system we do, but I just cant buy that they would be undefeated in either other conference. Would make to much sense for the final 4 to play it out and settle it on the field wouldnt it

BTW I think the total in fla/ala will be around 40 and I will be on ala and the under

Hogwash, you beat two teams (UVA, CLEM) on the road in one of the Big 6 conferences, one who will play for the title and absolutely demolish teams that played tough against perennial stalwarts from two other conferences (UT at ORE, BYU and OU). You deserve to be in the conversation for sure.

 

[UGA12]

Yes, I do. None of these other schedules strike fear into anyone.
Charleston Southern W 62-3
Troy W 56-6
Tennessee W 23-13
@ Kentucky W 41-7
@ LSU W 13-3
Arkansas W 23-20
@ Mississippi State W 29-19
vs. Georgia W 41-17
Vanderbilt W 27-3
@ South Carolina W 24-14
Florida International
Florida State

Virginia Tech W, 34-24
Florida International W, 40-14
North Texas W, 53-7
Arkansas W, 35-7
at Kentucky W, 38-20
at Mississippi W, 22-3
South Carolina W, 20-6
Tennessee W, 12-10
LSU W, 24-15
at Mississippi State W, 31-3
Tennessee-Chattanooga
at Auburn

Louisiana-Monroe W 59-20
at Wyoming W 41-10
Texas Tech W 34-24
UTEP W 64-7
Colorado W 38-14
Oklahoma* W 16-13
at Missouri W 41-7
at Oklahoma State W 41-14
UCF W 35-3
at Baylor W 47-14
Kansas s
at Texas A&M

Just because the SEC and Big XII are AQ conferences doesn't make them automatically better. I don't want to get into "traditionally better" or "historically better". I'm talking about 2009. There's an article in the Orlando Sentinel that shows the top 4 teams' opponents have similar win-loss records.

If you want to talk about hypotheticals, if TCU was in one of the big six conferences they would have access to BCS money, big time recruits and be even more dominating than they are now. Don't think that's possible, look at Cincy. They were in the same conference as TCU a few years ago and look at them now. They are dominating the Big East because they have access now.

Sorry for the rant, but I get so tired of all the "who have they played" and "couldn't compete in a big conference" arguments.

To each his own, if you feel they play equal competition on a weekly basis then we will agree to disagree. As I said I am not a hater, and I hope TCU does well. Nothing would tickle me more than to see them jump one of the other two unbeatens and get to the NC game. Not going to happen but man would that be a fine mess for this shity system.

 

[UGA12]

Hogwash, you beat two teams (UVA, CLEM) on the road in one of the Big 6 conferences, one who will play for the title and absolutely demolish teams that played tough against perennial stalwarts from two other conferences (UT at ORE, BYU and OU). You deserve to be in the conversation for sure.

Never said they shouldnt be in the conversation:shrug: Matter of fact I said I thought they could hang with or even beat the other three in a one game situation.:shrug: As I told the other guy, if you think they play equal competition on a weekly basis compared to the before mentioned conferences then we will just agree to disagree:shrug:

 

[pistol495]

Never said they shouldnt be in the conversation:shrug: Matter of fact I said I thought they could hang with or even beat the other three in a one game situation.:shrug: As I told the other guy, if you think they play equal competition on a weekly basis compared to the before mentioned conferences then we will just agree to disagree:shrug:

The problem with that argument is that this is a one game situation. They make it practically irrelevant by making these guys play 40 days after the season ends and therefore their previous schedule means nothing. I am sure we're on the same side here but its has nothing to do with the schedule because you can pick holes in every one. The system blows

 

[AR182]

i didn't say tcu is the best team in the country....i said they MAY BE the best team in the country....

and i think tcu, based on the last 2 years deserves a shot at the top spot & i don't think it is right that they are not being allowed to get that opportunity....

 

[LDB]

ya i seen the line last night... florida -2.5 on 5 dimes..

 

[Roger Baltrey]

i didn't say tcu is the best team in the country....i said they MAY BE the best team in the country....

and i think tcu, based on the last 2 years deserves a shot at the top spot & i don't think it is right that they are not being allowed to get that opportunity....

And its interesting that you heard the same crap last year until Utah thumped Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. TCU is legit and can play with anyone. Hopefully they get a chance.

 

[bleedingpurple]

And its interesting that you heard the same crap last year until Utah thumped Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. TCU is legit and can play with anyone. Hopefully they get a chance.

I was thinking the very same thing as I was reading through the thread.. The SEC is probably the best conference in football top to bottom, year in and year out but this year its not all that. Good but not great by any means.

 

[BOBBYW]

I KNOW ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN AND THATS WHY THEY PLAY THE GAME.....LY UTAH PLAYED ALA-10/-11 AND NOT ONLY DID UTAH WIN THEY SMASHED THEM IN THE MOUTH.....I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING.....SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE BCS BUT I DON'T AND THE MORE CONFLICT YOU HAVE THE BETTER FOR SOME KIND OF PLAYOFF.
ITS A LITTLE EASIER TO PREDICT THIS YEAR SO I DON'T SEE ALOT OF CONTROVERSIES.....

AND FOR WK 12 "LET'S GET DA MAN'S CASH"

 

[Skipper]

I was thinking the very same thing as I was reading through the thread.. The SEC is probably the best conference in football top to bottom, year in and year out but this year its not all that. Good but not great by any means.

I am as pro SEC as anyone on this board, but the SEC is down this year - FACT. There is Bama, FLA, and a bunch of good solid football teams, and of course - there is Vandy. From 3-11 you could throw them in a hat and draw names and anyone could beat anyone on a given day. I cannot believe I am about to say this, but IMO the PAC-10 might be the best conference this year or at the very least in the conversation with the SEC and/or B12. The Big 10 is awful and perhaps even behind the Big East.

I have seen Bama and FLA play close games this year with my Vols and I am telling you all right now that they are not as good and have holes that both Texas AND TCU could expose. I said the other day on the air that TCU could win in a 4 game playoff system with those three teams. TCU is always good defensively, but they can score this year to boot. Bama has McElroy who has NEVER won a big game and Tebow has very little options on offense other than himself.

I have no idea who will win in the AL-FLA game, but I think it will not be half the game it was last year and both better realize that if they win, they are not locks by any means to win it all.
If Bama beats FLA - I think Bama beats Texas
If FLA beats Bama - I think Texas beats FLA
If Texas happens to shit the bed, and TCU sneaks in, I think TCU would beat Bama, but lose to FLA.

It all comes down to matchups at that point. One thing that I will point out is when people bring up the Bama loss to Utah last year. That was the biggest game in the history of Utah football, and that could have been the most disappointing game in the history of Bama football. Sometimes certain bowl games just are not a measuring stick of how good teams are, and I think most would agree with that.

And for the first time in a long time, I hope whoever is playing Bama or FLA kicks the shit out of them because it will be the first time this year that SEC refs cannot help win the game for them. FLA got bailed out of the Arky game by the refs and Bama got bailed out of the LSU game by refs. I usually root for the SEC but I am so sick of the bias towards those two teams that I will either root for Colt McCoy if he is there, or TCU, Cincy, or whoever else plays them.

 

[DrRays]

FLA vs BAMA

FLA vs BAMA

How easy is this ? McElroy vs Tebow :mj07:
McElroy has blown all year. The kid has never won a big game. It is so great to see all of the Bama backers too putting faith in the DEVIL SABAN and McElroy. Just as others have stated Utah smacked them in the Sugar Bowl last year. Fla will have a decisive lead at the Half allowing Bama backers to chase the 2H. Ask yourself why would Pinnacle open this game -4.5 if they believed it was going to be a close one. Tebow hate him or not has been a bright star for college football on and off the field. People love to hate on winners.
I myself will go large on FLORIDA ML after the DEVILS followers drink the Red Kool Aid.

 

[zacharyj53]

Regardless of a a bunch of BS in this thread back to the topic. The real value on this bet will most likely be the Bama ML. These teams are pretty even and that would be the best bang for your buck IMO.

 

[hedgehog]

TCU may be a good team, but they could not beat Texas, Florida or Alabama in the title game, no way. I know last year Utah beat the stuffing out of Alabama, but Ala was not motivated and Utah was on top of the world for making it to the BCS. I think Texas wins the National Championship over Ala or Fla.

we need a playoff, top 8 teams bracket and kickoff. I still think the only way this happens is if the Big 12 or Big 10 get screwed. Otherwise we are stuck with this format we have, which is better than the one we used to have.

 

[hedgehog]

what happens if Auburn beats Alabama and Fla St beats Fla? stranger things have happened, not likely but could happen, then who plays for the nat'l championship?

What happens if Nebraska beats Texas in the big 12 championship or atm or Kansas beats Texas?

Does Boise play TCU for the national championship? :shrug:

:0corn

 

[Hailing Victor]

what happens if Auburn beats Alabama and Fla St beats Fla? stranger things have happened, not likely but could happen, then who plays for the nat'l championship?

What happens if Nebraska beats Texas in the big 12 championship or atm or Kansas beats Texas?

Does Boise play TCU for the national championship? :shrug:

:0corn

I'm sure there would be someway that USC would end up in the championship game. Maybe they Blow out UCLA and the argument would be they are playing the best ball right now.

 

[cbrown334]

MY 2 CENTS

MY 2 CENTS

HAS FLA LOOKED LIGHTS OUT ON OFFENSE ?.....NO! DO THEY MISS HARVIN, AND MURPHY?.....YES ARE THEY TAKING ANY UNNECESSARY RISKS......NO
URBAN MEYER HAS ALWAYS PLAYED TO HIS TEAMS STRENGTH, LAST YEAR IT WAS AN AWESOME OFFENSE, GOOD DEFENSE, THIS YEAR IT'S AN AWESOME DEFENSE, GOOD OFFENSE.
HE WILL HAVE FLA. READY, AND WILL HAVE A GOOD PLAN TO BEAT BAMA. MACALROY HAS NOT SEEN ANYONE LIKE DUNLAP, SPIKES OR CUNNINGHAM COMING AFTER HIS ASS ALL YEAR LONG. FIRST YEAR QB IN THE SEC CHAMPIONSHIP.....GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

 

[hedgehog]

I sure there would be someway that USC would end up in the championship game. Maybe they Blow out UCLA and the argument would be they are playing the best ball right now.

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