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Just over border into Canada:

Known as the tomato capital of Canada, Leamington became the home of the H. J. Heinz factory in 1908. The Heinz products are shipped from Leamington, with English and French labels, mostly to the United States. Ketchup and baby food are the main products.

Along with the H. J. Heinz Company factory, Leamington has also been known for its greenhouses, and now has the largest number of commercial greenhouses in all of North America. Major products of the greenhouse industry, in addition to tomatoes, are peppers, cucumbers, roses, and other flowers. Hydroponic farming has been very successfully adopted by many greenhouse operators in Leamington. Historically,
tobacco was an important crop in the area, but tobacco production declined in the 1960s and today is virtually nonexistent. Leamington's agribusiness success comes from a fortuitous combination of excellent soil, knowledgeable and energetic owners, and a favorable climate. (and NAFTA)

Migrant workers, mostly Mexican and Caribbean seasonal labourers, annually arrive in the region to work in Leamington's greenhouses and farms. Because of the influx of legal seasonal workers, Leamington has opened up several Mexican and Jamaican shops, and even has a Mexican Consulate.


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A lot of these greenhouses used to be in Ohio and Michigan.

In the 1960's, Cleveland was known as the glass capital of the world, with more acres of glass greenhouse to grow hothouse tomatoes & vegetables than anywhere else.
 

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A lot of these greenhouses used to be in Ohio and Michigan.

In the 1960's, Cleveland was known as the glass capital of the world, with more acres of glass greenhouse to grow hothouse tomatoes & vegetables than anywhere else.

Given that wage costs in Canada (citizens and legal migrants) are about the same as the USA, why do you think that greenhouse industry has moved to Canada?

Does Canada have a better legal migrant policy?
 

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Clinton and all the other politicians and business leaders who support free trade are either stupid or liars or both. Mostly the politicians are fools who have been bought by big business donors.

Free trade improves the economics of poor countries at the expense of rich countries. Period.

Free trade subsidizes China and penalizes the USA. Period.
Very true, Duff.

But IMO, the U.S. Government's primary reason for failing to impose stiff tariffs on Chinese products is the possible backlash a trade war would set off, resulting in the Bank of China turning off the credit spigot and the financial turmoil that would create, and not just in the U.S., but around the globe.
 

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Duff:
A lot of it had to do with the exchange rate as well as natural gas subsidies to the greenhouse owners.
 

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Very true, Duff.

But IMO, the U.S. Government's primary reason for failing to impose stiff tariffs on Chinese products is the possible backlash a trade war would set off, resulting in the Bank of China turning off the credit spigot and the financial turmoil that would create, and not just in the U.S., but around the globe.

Well....yes....but...a substantial portion of US dollar holdings by the Chinese and others is due to free trade. It is a monster of our own creation.

I don't see an easy answer. Perhaps we should take a leather belt in our mouth, bite down hard, and lance the boil?

If the Bank of China allows the dollar to tank, they've shot themselves in the foot, no?

The solution requires an expertise in finance and statecraft above my pay grade.:shrug:
 
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Duff:
A lot of it had to do with the exchange rate as well as natural gas subsidies to the greenhouse owners.

Ah, yes. But the Canadian dollar is now way up, and natural gas prices are way down. Will greenhousing return to the USA?

I can't remember seeing any Canadian veggies in our local stores. Maybe we're too far from Canada.

I do see lots of fruit and veggies from Mexico and Central America.

The county I live in was, 25 years ago, planted solid with apples, peaches and melons. Those business are now virtually gone and the land lies fallow.

For me, I'd rather pay another $.50 for a cantaloupe grown here by Americans, but that's not the Wal*Mart shopper way.
 

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Well....yes....but...a substantial portion of US dollar holdings by the Chinese and others is due to free trade. It is a monster of our own creation.

I don't see an easy answer. Perhaps we should take a leather belt in our mouth, bite down hard, and lance the boil?

If the Bank of China allows the dollar to tank, they've shot themselves in the foot, no?
You may be right, Duff.

Sadly, the majority of the American electorate is woefully uninformed and
unwilling to elect politicians willing to chew that leather.

We've had a man willing to do just that for the past four elections and he
can't get more than 2-3% of the electorate behind him...

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I doubt they come back in any amount of strength.

Cost to put up an acre of state of the art greenhouse now is $1 million per acre, minimum.

Most of the old ranges have been torn down and houses and condos have been grown in their place.
 
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