We are hearing some serious rumors the SEC is just waiting and watching what Miami does in the coming weeks. We are also hearing that they will be immediately extending invitations to Virginia Tech and West Virginia if it happens. I was wondering if you could make a few calls around the coaching world to find out if there is any substance to this rumor. I would appreciate it.
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HEY WILSON, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMEDY FORUM. IS THIS POST SUPPOSED TO BE SOME SORT OF JOKE????? HAVEN'T YOU FIGURED OUT FLETCHERS DEAL YET???? OPEN YOUR EYES SON!!!!
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HEY WILSON, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMEDY FORUM. IS THIS POST SUPPOSED TO BE SOME SORT OF JOKE????? HAVEN'T YOU FIGURED OUT FLETCHERS DEAL YET???? OPEN YOUR EYES SON!!!!
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Wilson- the strengthing out the Big East has people here in Nashville saying that the SEC will dump Vandy. VT has been talked about but I haven't hear about WV.
Sorry, no facts just rumors from Nashville. :shrug:
Sorry, no facts just rumors from Nashville. :shrug:
i talked to john on the phone and broke the news on the acc vote before it even reached espn, i was calling rich to get jacks son a football camp app and rich was at a meeting in pitt a tele confrence about the vote so i headr it soon as he did (john) because rich was on other line with him 755 of the stuff i am reading i just laugh at i know what was going to go on in ponte vedra and wrote it on fri after getting in to it with pp because he says i know no one, i will email you fri or thur and give you a call i am done with it here , they can take all the nytimes and other papers and put them up their ass i am getting it right from the source and you know that, going to talk witj joe n film coach in the am talked to donnie retton tonight waiting for him to call me back he coaches with jies brother at west faimont and big ronnine was on team with thorn, hot rod ,west he is a major booster and he talks to fred s their old coach and former ad and my dad had talked to dn last week i have some things that will make youhappy,miami is over a very hot fire right now and there has been some good come out of the meetings to help cins out because they just don't make it with the gate splits when temple,bc, syracuse only bring 300 people to south fl and they don't think they should split with anyone but wvu,pitt and va.tech, which i agree. and they want bowl money only split with teams who have gone to bowls last 8 years , that is a move to get temple and a nj team out which i also agree and they want to be helped with food and lodging on the road they will hadle air fair. acc cannot match the big east tv packet and she gave a verbal agreemennt last year for miami for 10 years in the big east so the heat is on her in miami if she moves them out and it would be a big fine to pay to get out. miami had great points because they only get 30-35000 a game there paid at home things were going good this week i will call you this weekend don't need to hear pp and his bs about how i know nothing about the program
have only knowen about it sice bowden a nd nehlen with my family. i will tell you the works on the table now and what is down the road and miam along with pitt wvu and va.tech all agreed fb and hoops or neither so ndame has to make a choice and doubt that they choose to leave. peole have no clue how much the big east packet is with the tv and bowls but yes that is more then a rumor but chances are good that it all stays together because miami could be looking for 7 games in 2003 and 2004 to fill games from wvu,pitt,va,tech,ectwhen they drop them and then you will see who is screwed. it is easier for 7 teams to pick up 1 game then i team needing 7 for 2 straight years talk about losing money they will really see what it is like. But they do need help from big east because they are not a self supporting program and the are a privite school so very tuff to get fl help like slim and none. and the ncaa cannot do shit if the other schools i talked about tells miami to f off for 2 years till acc can move them in and pitt,wvu,va.tech and bc rutgers said fine the orange and bc are stepping back some this week after hearing recourse. the big east made miami, miami did not make big east. and you can tell ppp that yes i know rich and steve , that we are from the same town and played against and on same teams in fbagainst baseball summer together . that is why i quit saying anything some other smart ass said nice inside info nothing inside about any of it just friend and had family members coach there for a long time. hey i will neet you in ohama if they go i am going anyway. i will email you then call this weekend. the fishwraps are not even in the ball park on half of what they were saying last week. and it was miami and va,tech who was called first and va.tech said no thanks then bc and syracuse got brought in because they new wvu was not about to break away. wvu has very strong ties in sec and has for a long time with fl,georgia, tenn and kentucky they go way back.
have only knowen about it sice bowden a nd nehlen with my family. i will tell you the works on the table now and what is down the road and miam along with pitt wvu and va.tech all agreed fb and hoops or neither so ndame has to make a choice and doubt that they choose to leave. peole have no clue how much the big east packet is with the tv and bowls but yes that is more then a rumor but chances are good that it all stays together because miami could be looking for 7 games in 2003 and 2004 to fill games from wvu,pitt,va,tech,ectwhen they drop them and then you will see who is screwed. it is easier for 7 teams to pick up 1 game then i team needing 7 for 2 straight years talk about losing money they will really see what it is like. But they do need help from big east because they are not a self supporting program and the are a privite school so very tuff to get fl help like slim and none. and the ncaa cannot do shit if the other schools i talked about tells miami to f off for 2 years till acc can move them in and pitt,wvu,va.tech and bc rutgers said fine the orange and bc are stepping back some this week after hearing recourse. the big east made miami, miami did not make big east. and you can tell ppp that yes i know rich and steve , that we are from the same town and played against and on same teams in fbagainst baseball summer together . that is why i quit saying anything some other smart ass said nice inside info nothing inside about any of it just friend and had family members coach there for a long time. hey i will neet you in ohama if they go i am going anyway. i will email you then call this weekend. the fishwraps are not even in the ball park on half of what they were saying last week. and it was miami and va,tech who was called first and va.tech said no thanks then bc and syracuse got brought in because they new wvu was not about to break away. wvu has very strong ties in sec and has for a long time with fl,georgia, tenn and kentucky they go way back.
I'm curious as to your opinion on something Fletch. What would you think about Miami being in the SEC?
Maybe I'm nuts but I like to see conferences lined up right via geography & feel Miami doesn't belong in the big east.
Maybe I'm nuts but I like to see conferences lined up right via geography & feel Miami doesn't belong in the big east.
..and another thing Little Petey...
For your comments about Fletcher..its easy to sit behind a computer and shoot insults and attack his character. What is your f'ing problem?
I have talked to Eric about my alma mater on numerous occasions pertaining to intricates of dealings with the big east and WVU. He knows his shit. Plain and simple. I think it is ridiculous that you are allowed to bash and attempt to defame him over something that you no idea about...and never will. Fletcher has some great contacts through his involvement with athletics in his lifetime. What is your beef? Are you an angered closet homo that envies people who have accomplished things in life or has the contacts that you wish you had? Get a grip and vent your anger towards somebody else. :thefinger :shrug:
For your comments about Fletcher..its easy to sit behind a computer and shoot insults and attack his character. What is your f'ing problem?
I have talked to Eric about my alma mater on numerous occasions pertaining to intricates of dealings with the big east and WVU. He knows his shit. Plain and simple. I think it is ridiculous that you are allowed to bash and attempt to defame him over something that you no idea about...and never will. Fletcher has some great contacts through his involvement with athletics in his lifetime. What is your beef? Are you an angered closet homo that envies people who have accomplished things in life or has the contacts that you wish you had? Get a grip and vent your anger towards somebody else. :thefinger :shrug:
Just to clear a few things up:
The SEC will not take any more teams because they do not want to split the money more than 12 ways. Unless they kick ourt Vandy, which I do not see happening.
VA Tech was never considered by the ACC because there is no TV market. The closet market is Roanoake. The ACC wants BC and Syracuse to tap into NY and Boston TV Market.
It is also my understanding that there are no fines for Miami leaving the Big East. I know in the Big 12, there are huge fines to leave the conference, that is not true in the Big East. The only deal broken was a verbal promise from Miami that they were staying, so there can be no lawsuit or penalty levied against Miami
The SEC will not take any more teams because they do not want to split the money more than 12 ways. Unless they kick ourt Vandy, which I do not see happening.
VA Tech was never considered by the ACC because there is no TV market. The closet market is Roanoake. The ACC wants BC and Syracuse to tap into NY and Boston TV Market.
It is also my understanding that there are no fines for Miami leaving the Big East. I know in the Big 12, there are huge fines to leave the conference, that is not true in the Big East. The only deal broken was a verbal promise from Miami that they were staying, so there can be no lawsuit or penalty levied against Miami
the only reason miami is in the big east is because they are the only conf. that would give miami a chance back in mid to early 80's.
back them miami has a few sports in d1 baseball and a strugling fb team they had dropped hoops a long time ago, the had a very good swimming an d diving team but was not a sports school very good medicial school and other acd. areas. but after miami started to win they aslo acted like a bunch of fools in fb. baseball under ron frasier was always respected and ron did a lot for college baseball at one time when i was playing they had the best college baseball staff around ron as head coach skpi bertman as his ass. head coach and brad kelly as a grad asst and a great young recruiter in turtle thomas.
football hd won and started to make a name for themself and then came the penn state game at thfisita bowl and that was it no boby wanted miam in thier conf. they were trash talkers getting into trouble off the field and program was almost dropped because of it and howard was told more or less to hit the road or be fired. They sent out letter and the big east already doing good in hoops they were the power house conf and held their own in football sat down with the iniversity and said the would give them a chance because as a independent no one was going to play them not becuause of them getting beat but did not like how the ream carried itself. So big est laid out some rules and told miami they had to bring back hoops and clean up their act , well they did brink back hoops and hired hamelton but football became more out rages and at one point after the tx game they were called befor the big east and givining one more chance to clean up program or be out, erickson went away he would of stayed if he could of but went to nfl because was not going to be in miami much longer and he knew that they brought in butch davis from ga tech who did a great job in turning them into the program they ar etoday not only good players but for the most part a clean program so that is how they got into the big east. last year at big east meeting it was knowen that acc and it's sub par football tv contract need a boost sho they spoke with miami and va.tech last year. and in spring meeting can't think of her name now miamis president but she gave verbal agreement that miami owed the big east for all it did to help miami and they would stay in big east for next 10 years and va.tech told acc they were not intrested in hearing them out. Well with the way miami loses money even with a great tv packet for big east acc thought they could do better and tried again now over hot water miami went against their verbal agreement and this is how the talks started fsu, and clemson did not want miami and virginia was on the fence and for and they also bought up bc and syracuse because they are ok in football but would not hurt acc in hoops at all.
this has a lot of conf comm. and officers very upset ecause this is not about 1-3 teams and 2 confs. it will make a vary large wave and could effect up to 7-8 other confs. this is far from over miamia stated in meeting in fl this weekend they want to saty apart of big east and needs some help though which big east understood and is willing to help some. but they way acc came in the back door was and miami not being upfront after all big east has done for them hit some nerves last thur they most big east teams and officers wanted to just say your out and good luck finding games the next 2 years 8 in football and 18 in hoops miami would of really been in debet then, but heads colled off and this will go on for awhile and no pitt is not going to big 10 they do not fit what big ten looks for in a university i like pitt but they are not a big 10 school. sec does not want miaami never did and never will wvu and va.tech have been sent feelers from sec they both play sec schools in almost every sport but football so that is how that was set up and sec will always go one stp futher to out do acc. the whole thing is a mess and just will have to see what happens but miami is not in the drivers seat like many sports writers and some of you think. the big east office is and they have a lot of clout in the sports world. with the efeect this would have on quite a number of different confs. this will be worked out and nothing will be done in haste if that was the case on thur when acc was out of line with thier little vote that means nothing it almost cost miami being put out on curb like trash for 2 years with their thumb up their ass and then they would of been way more the 1.5 million in the whole.
no -one knows much of anything just different ideas being looked out to see what can be done to ease some of the cost to miami in running a d1 sports program. one thing is for sure sec will not be out done by acc, those 2 are like the hattfields and macoys, your real story line is going to come from them if miami does leave or get the boot which could still happen. and if it does accc will not help miami for 2 years acc does not care 1 bit about miami don't be fooled by the invite and vote acc is looking out for acc, miami,bc and syracuse would be the whore that was for sale to help the acc not the acc coming to rescue bc,miami and syracuse from some sort of disater.
back them miami has a few sports in d1 baseball and a strugling fb team they had dropped hoops a long time ago, the had a very good swimming an d diving team but was not a sports school very good medicial school and other acd. areas. but after miami started to win they aslo acted like a bunch of fools in fb. baseball under ron frasier was always respected and ron did a lot for college baseball at one time when i was playing they had the best college baseball staff around ron as head coach skpi bertman as his ass. head coach and brad kelly as a grad asst and a great young recruiter in turtle thomas.
football hd won and started to make a name for themself and then came the penn state game at thfisita bowl and that was it no boby wanted miam in thier conf. they were trash talkers getting into trouble off the field and program was almost dropped because of it and howard was told more or less to hit the road or be fired. They sent out letter and the big east already doing good in hoops they were the power house conf and held their own in football sat down with the iniversity and said the would give them a chance because as a independent no one was going to play them not becuause of them getting beat but did not like how the ream carried itself. So big est laid out some rules and told miami they had to bring back hoops and clean up their act , well they did brink back hoops and hired hamelton but football became more out rages and at one point after the tx game they were called befor the big east and givining one more chance to clean up program or be out, erickson went away he would of stayed if he could of but went to nfl because was not going to be in miami much longer and he knew that they brought in butch davis from ga tech who did a great job in turning them into the program they ar etoday not only good players but for the most part a clean program so that is how they got into the big east. last year at big east meeting it was knowen that acc and it's sub par football tv contract need a boost sho they spoke with miami and va.tech last year. and in spring meeting can't think of her name now miamis president but she gave verbal agreement that miami owed the big east for all it did to help miami and they would stay in big east for next 10 years and va.tech told acc they were not intrested in hearing them out. Well with the way miami loses money even with a great tv packet for big east acc thought they could do better and tried again now over hot water miami went against their verbal agreement and this is how the talks started fsu, and clemson did not want miami and virginia was on the fence and for and they also bought up bc and syracuse because they are ok in football but would not hurt acc in hoops at all.
this has a lot of conf comm. and officers very upset ecause this is not about 1-3 teams and 2 confs. it will make a vary large wave and could effect up to 7-8 other confs. this is far from over miamia stated in meeting in fl this weekend they want to saty apart of big east and needs some help though which big east understood and is willing to help some. but they way acc came in the back door was and miami not being upfront after all big east has done for them hit some nerves last thur they most big east teams and officers wanted to just say your out and good luck finding games the next 2 years 8 in football and 18 in hoops miami would of really been in debet then, but heads colled off and this will go on for awhile and no pitt is not going to big 10 they do not fit what big ten looks for in a university i like pitt but they are not a big 10 school. sec does not want miaami never did and never will wvu and va.tech have been sent feelers from sec they both play sec schools in almost every sport but football so that is how that was set up and sec will always go one stp futher to out do acc. the whole thing is a mess and just will have to see what happens but miami is not in the drivers seat like many sports writers and some of you think. the big east office is and they have a lot of clout in the sports world. with the efeect this would have on quite a number of different confs. this will be worked out and nothing will be done in haste if that was the case on thur when acc was out of line with thier little vote that means nothing it almost cost miami being put out on curb like trash for 2 years with their thumb up their ass and then they would of been way more the 1.5 million in the whole.
no -one knows much of anything just different ideas being looked out to see what can be done to ease some of the cost to miami in running a d1 sports program. one thing is for sure sec will not be out done by acc, those 2 are like the hattfields and macoys, your real story line is going to come from them if miami does leave or get the boot which could still happen. and if it does accc will not help miami for 2 years acc does not care 1 bit about miami don't be fooled by the invite and vote acc is looking out for acc, miami,bc and syracuse would be the whore that was for sale to help the acc not the acc coming to rescue bc,miami and syracuse from some sort of disater.
been on the phone with a friend of mine who is a sports director for a fl abc affilite good size station and he also helps out with espn with their college fb gameplan that you can buy from most local cable compinies and dtv,he had some very intresting things that he knew and has been working on for the future, will go into it fri because i need some rest, but acc has their act together and has been working this super conf for fb and hoops for almost 4 years and abc/espn would be a majir player in this with them dealing with big 10/pac10 fb for most part, with what they are doing with acc would be a huge blow to big east,and big12 and put sec behind 8 ball and their personal fb network cbs. will explain fri, but this would be a huge packet combo fb/hoops from those 2 networks which are relly the same almost when it comes to college sports , This is a major power play for acc sports and the coverage they would have in both sports with a major payout to acc. This was very well plammeda nd timing was perfect and not a mistake as most confrences are on the back ends of their network program agreement. the acc has put a lot of time with these 2 networks under the raidar of everyones site. this would be a super conf and have a power house hoops and fb packet. This has been very well thought out by acc people and would bring in a good amount of cash for all accc schools will explain later but would boost all accc schools and hurt others in the pocket and in recruitement of players.
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Just wanted to thank you for posting what you know about WVU. I hope that you keep posting about it. Don't be concerned with the people that don't believe you have any info. I have read your posts and am hearing some of what you post but you seem to have more info than I get in WV.
fletcher
Just wanted to thank you for posting what you know about WVU. I hope that you keep posting about it. Don't be concerned with the people that don't believe you have any info. I have read your posts and am hearing some of what you post but you seem to have more info than I get in WV.
here is what is more then likely the ace that the acc holds and it is a damn strong one. Not really into tv contacts and how rateings and shit work but most of the network contracts are up in 2004 and 2005, sec has one with i think he said nbc and then abc/espn do pac 10 and big 10.
Well the reason for miami,bc and sryacuse is because abc/espn is going to put a mega sports deal together with the acc for hoops and fb and the draft was giving to the acc to show those 3 big east schools, so with that if those 3 come they will get more money then the big east can give because the big east is not going to have a major contract the will be on like espn+ and a few game to game deals on espn if big east has a big upcoming game and 2 teams are playing for something that has meaning then espn will pick it up, also your smaller confrences are going to be cut back on tv coverage also in terms of contracts because rateings have not been good and economey is off, i am not into all that but understood most of it. If the acc can pull those 3 big east teams they will get a 5 year mega hoops/fb contract with abc/espn and control the market from miami all they way uo to up state ny so it would be the whole east coast as there market like i said really do not understand the business part of it all with the ratings and market shares so maybe someone could explain it. but he said it would be huge for acc in terms of national coverage where now they are more mid atlantic in fb hoops was alittle diferent because of espn acc gets more coverage. but this would be a huge boost in recruiting of players saying we have the whole east coast for national tv coverage and it would pay the acc schools way more then anything big east could come up with. so a little more to the story line to go over, with that type of tv deal and miami in big trouble with money , i don't know how bc and sryacuse are setting but sure orange are doing good with that ncaa hoops title maybe some locals can let me know. but this would be a great deal for the acc he said and also for abc/espn market share would be off the charts, like i said i do not understand market shares and stuff like that but he said bottom line would mean major money for both sides.
i told you what i know and was told now some one who really understands the tv business explain it all to me in terms i can understand.
Well the reason for miami,bc and sryacuse is because abc/espn is going to put a mega sports deal together with the acc for hoops and fb and the draft was giving to the acc to show those 3 big east schools, so with that if those 3 come they will get more money then the big east can give because the big east is not going to have a major contract the will be on like espn+ and a few game to game deals on espn if big east has a big upcoming game and 2 teams are playing for something that has meaning then espn will pick it up, also your smaller confrences are going to be cut back on tv coverage also in terms of contracts because rateings have not been good and economey is off, i am not into all that but understood most of it. If the acc can pull those 3 big east teams they will get a 5 year mega hoops/fb contract with abc/espn and control the market from miami all they way uo to up state ny so it would be the whole east coast as there market like i said really do not understand the business part of it all with the ratings and market shares so maybe someone could explain it. but he said it would be huge for acc in terms of national coverage where now they are more mid atlantic in fb hoops was alittle diferent because of espn acc gets more coverage. but this would be a huge boost in recruiting of players saying we have the whole east coast for national tv coverage and it would pay the acc schools way more then anything big east could come up with. so a little more to the story line to go over, with that type of tv deal and miami in big trouble with money , i don't know how bc and sryacuse are setting but sure orange are doing good with that ncaa hoops title maybe some locals can let me know. but this would be a great deal for the acc he said and also for abc/espn market share would be off the charts, like i said i do not understand market shares and stuff like that but he said bottom line would mean major money for both sides.
i told you what i know and was told now some one who really understands the tv business explain it all to me in terms i can understand.
