FLORIDA STATE by 3 or 4td's
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Are you serious,,,,,, the line off the book since couples days now..... this morning, I saw 1 site had 8 .... you knew opening line was 12 right?......
Irish may win straight up....... book my word and save some dollars and dime my friends....
Bol2U... :0008
Irish may win straight up....... book my word and save some dollars and dime my friends....
Bol2U... :0008
This game seems to be a cautionary tale about everyone agreeing on one side.:shrug: Florida state obviously has not played like they did last year. This is the first game of the year that the florida state players have been looking forward too. I find it hard to believe that how Florida State has been playing and all the Jameis Winston stuff that Vegas has put out a inflated line. This seems to be scenario here, FSU has the better team and warrants to be 12 to 10 pt. Fav., if it wasn't for Winston & how they have looked so far. The Vegas oddsmakers are way smarter than me and I look for games where I have value in the point spread. :0034 This game seems to have TOO much value if there is such a thing? Seems to me with so much uncertainty that vegas is holding the line at double digits for 1 reason, to take as much Notre Dame action as they can. Can Notre Dame win this game sure they can, they can also lose by four touchdowns. I'm not messing with this game. I'd rather sit back and watch it all unfold.
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This game seems to be a cautionary tale about everyone agreeing on one side.:shrug: Florida state obviously has not played like they did last year. This is the first game of the year that the florida state players have been looking forward too. I find it hard to believe that how Florida State has been playing and all the Jameis Winston stuff that Vegas has put out a inflated line. This seems to be scenario here, FSU has the better team and warrants to be 12 to 10 pt. Fav., if it wasn't for Winston & how they have looked so far. The Vegas oddsmakers are way smarter than me and I look for games where I have value in the point spread. :0034 This game seems to have TOO much value if there is such a thing? Seems to me with so much uncertainty that vegas is holding the line at double digits for 1 reason, to take as much Notre Dame action as they can. Can Notre Dame win this game sure they can, they can also lose by four touchdowns. I'm not messing with this game. I'd rather sit back and watch it all unfold.
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Notre Dame (6-0) at Florida State (6-0) Oct. 18, 8:00, ABC
Here's The Deal: In so many ways, both good and bad, this epic matchup of two superpowers is the epitome of college football.
The sport is loaded with hypocrisy and controversy, and sometimes, it?s hard to compartmentalize and simply enjoy the event. But beyond the academic issues at Notre Dame, and even though its starting quarterback spent last year suspended, and even though the reigning Heisman winner is embroiled in yet another controversy, and even though he?s going to be under the microscope in a school hearing that could change the entire university, and even with all of the various issues and concerns with both programs, it?s undefeated Notre Dame taking on the unbeaten defending national champion in a game that could and should play a big role in defining the national title chase.
It?s history that transcends the sport and adds another major chapter to it, one way or another.
It?s Notre Dame, the school that came up with the 0-0 tie against 1946 Army to halt a 25-game winning streak. It?s the program that stopped Oklahoma?s 47-game winning streak in 1957. It?s the school that beat unbeaten Alabama in the 1974 Sugar Bowl, and the next year beating another undefeated Bear Bryant team in the 1975 Orange. It?s Joe Montana?s team stopping Earl Campbell?s national title bid with a 38-10 win over Texas in the 1978 Cotton Bowl, and it?s Lou Holtz pulling off a classic win in 1988 top stop a juggernaut Miami program?s 16-game winning streak and 36-game regular season run. And, of course, it?s the program that halted Charlie Ward and the eventual 1993 national champion Florida State squad in one of the greatest games ever.
This isn?t nearly the same Notre Dame team as some of the others that pulled off wins for the ages, but head coach Brian Kelly has done a phenomenal job of putting together an unbeaten season so far despite missing five of his key players due to academic issues, and now, with one win, he?ll have an honest shot of putting the Irish in the national title mix for the second time in three years.
This isn?t nearly the same Florida State team as last year?s, either. This is a very good team with a very great quarterback, and despite all the problems and the inconsistencies on the field, and even though the world has turned its eyes to the SEC West and the state of Mississippi, an argument can be made that this is still the No. 1 team in America, or at least in the top three.
Winners of 17 in a row and 27 of its last 28, Florida State is finding ways to win. If last year?s run to a national title was a dominant march to greatness, this year is more of a grind through adversity. If the Seminoles can win this, then they really will once again prove they can rise to just about any occasion, but this won?t be the end of the journey with a quirky Thursday night game against Louisville up next, tough home games against Virginia, Florida and Boston College to deal with, and a road date with Miami to fight through, not to mention, most likely, the ACC championship.
The Seminoles are 5-2 all-time in the series, with the last win coming in the 2011 Champs Sports Bowl. This time around might not be as big or as good as 1993, but there?s a chance it could be up there ? and there?s a chance this might be the first of two meetings.
There are still plenty of landmines for Notre Dame, but this is the big one. If the Irish can win this, they can win at Arizona State and USC, and they should be able to handle Northwestern and Louisville, but even a close loss could be okay. In the eyes of the College Football Playoff world, an 11-1 Notre Dame might just have enough in the schedule bank to slip into the top four if that one loss is an extremely acceptable tight defeat in Tallahassee. A blowout, though, would probably kill the dream. Meanwhile, FSU can probably lose this, too, and get into the playoff at 12-1 with an ACC title, but then it would be up for debate.
So have fun with it. Suspend your belief system for a few hours on Saturday night and enjoy the theater. It should be worth it.
Why Notre Dame Might Win: If you didn?t know this was Florida State, you?d swear this was a team fighting just to be around the top ten. To put it bluntly, Clemson fumbled/choked in the Doak, and even though there was a key part of the Seminole puzzle missing, backup quarterback Sean Maquire did just fine throwing for 304 yards. Against the FSU defense, NC State QB Jacoby Brissett looked like the next Russell Wilson, bombing away for 359 yards, and the next week he completed 4-of-18 passes against Clemson. Even the blowouts over Wake Forest and Syracuse were underwhelming ? the Noles just haven?t been sharp, even if they?ve been effective.
What?s the problem? The running game isn?t there. Last season, FSU ripped up 5.6 yards per carry with 42 touchdowns on the year with six 200-yard games on the year. This season, the ground game has yet to hit the 200-yard mark against any FBS team, and while it averaged over five yards per pop against NC State and Wake Forest, it hasn?t been able to establish much of anything on a consistent basis. The rebuilt Irish defensive front has been outstanding, allowing just 663 yards on the year and doing a great job of holding up against anyone who wants to get physical. Jameis Winston might be a proven winner, but he might have to carry the team on his back all by himself.
Why Florida State Might Win: Winston has yet to be stopped cold, but he can be slowed down with steady pressure ? that?s not really Notre Dame. The line did a great job of giving Stanford?s Kevin Hogan a few problems, and the D has come up with three sacks or more in three of the six games, but this isn?t necessarily a defense that manufactures enough of a pass rush to slow down the FSU passing attack. The Irish might come up with a sack on one play, and then Winston will get time and connect on a 3rd-and-17 the next ? teams have been able to hit him, and it hasn?t made much of a difference.
The real concern for the Irish revolves around the mistakes. They were able to overcome a five turnover day against Syracuse without much of a problem, but after being a +6 in turnover margin in the first two games, they?ve turned it over ten times in the last four with Everett Golson doing everything possible to give it away last week against North Carolina. Notre Dame has to be flawless, and it won?t be.
Who To Watch Out For: Jameis Winston might be the best player in college football by a ten-mile margin, and he still won?t have a shot at the Heisman because of all of the off-field stuff. Even so, this is the type of game that could cement his already legendary status. 19-0 as a starter, for all of his issues and problems, he?s able to focus on what he has to do between the lines. The overall stats aren?t there like they were last season, but he?s been doing just as much to make the machine go, completing 70% of his passes with 11 touchdowns, throwing for over 300 yards in three of his five games, and it would?ve been five-for-five but he wasn?t needed for the whole game against the Citadel and he threw for 297 against Wake Forest.
Despite the problems and errors last week against North Carolina, Golson has been Heisman-worthy, throwing for over 220 yards in every game with 16 touchdowns, four picks, and a game-winner on fourth down to beat Stanford. He hasn?t needed to be a dangerous runner, but he?s effective when he has to be, taking off for a season-high 71 yards last week. 15-1 as a starter ? and the one loss to Alabama wasn?t his fault ? he?s been dangerous at times, ultra-accurate at others ? hitting 25 straight throws against Syracuse ? and the ultimate leader now that he?s more mature than he was in 2012. This is his team now, and he?s taking to the role.
What?s Going To Happen: Both teams have been able to avoid disaster, and each has been battle tested enough to be ready to handle a game like this on the big stage. Notre Dame?s defensive front will shut down the FSU running game cold, and it?ll stiffen in the red zone. Winston and FSU will move the ball, but there will be way too many Roberto Aguayo field goals, keeping the door open for the Irish. Unlike the last few weeks, Notre Dame will be mistake-free on both sides of the ball, and Golson will overcome a rocky start by picking apart a Seminole secondary that can be beaten deep. The Irish will control the clock and the tempo in the second half, and even though Winston will connect on a few huge plays, everyone will be talking about Golson after the game as he pulls neck-and-neck with Dak Prescott as the Heisman front-runner.
cfnscouts take.
I was ready to jump all over the noles, this has me second guessing.
Here's The Deal: In so many ways, both good and bad, this epic matchup of two superpowers is the epitome of college football.
The sport is loaded with hypocrisy and controversy, and sometimes, it?s hard to compartmentalize and simply enjoy the event. But beyond the academic issues at Notre Dame, and even though its starting quarterback spent last year suspended, and even though the reigning Heisman winner is embroiled in yet another controversy, and even though he?s going to be under the microscope in a school hearing that could change the entire university, and even with all of the various issues and concerns with both programs, it?s undefeated Notre Dame taking on the unbeaten defending national champion in a game that could and should play a big role in defining the national title chase.
It?s history that transcends the sport and adds another major chapter to it, one way or another.
It?s Notre Dame, the school that came up with the 0-0 tie against 1946 Army to halt a 25-game winning streak. It?s the program that stopped Oklahoma?s 47-game winning streak in 1957. It?s the school that beat unbeaten Alabama in the 1974 Sugar Bowl, and the next year beating another undefeated Bear Bryant team in the 1975 Orange. It?s Joe Montana?s team stopping Earl Campbell?s national title bid with a 38-10 win over Texas in the 1978 Cotton Bowl, and it?s Lou Holtz pulling off a classic win in 1988 top stop a juggernaut Miami program?s 16-game winning streak and 36-game regular season run. And, of course, it?s the program that halted Charlie Ward and the eventual 1993 national champion Florida State squad in one of the greatest games ever.
This isn?t nearly the same Notre Dame team as some of the others that pulled off wins for the ages, but head coach Brian Kelly has done a phenomenal job of putting together an unbeaten season so far despite missing five of his key players due to academic issues, and now, with one win, he?ll have an honest shot of putting the Irish in the national title mix for the second time in three years.
This isn?t nearly the same Florida State team as last year?s, either. This is a very good team with a very great quarterback, and despite all the problems and the inconsistencies on the field, and even though the world has turned its eyes to the SEC West and the state of Mississippi, an argument can be made that this is still the No. 1 team in America, or at least in the top three.
Winners of 17 in a row and 27 of its last 28, Florida State is finding ways to win. If last year?s run to a national title was a dominant march to greatness, this year is more of a grind through adversity. If the Seminoles can win this, then they really will once again prove they can rise to just about any occasion, but this won?t be the end of the journey with a quirky Thursday night game against Louisville up next, tough home games against Virginia, Florida and Boston College to deal with, and a road date with Miami to fight through, not to mention, most likely, the ACC championship.
The Seminoles are 5-2 all-time in the series, with the last win coming in the 2011 Champs Sports Bowl. This time around might not be as big or as good as 1993, but there?s a chance it could be up there ? and there?s a chance this might be the first of two meetings.
There are still plenty of landmines for Notre Dame, but this is the big one. If the Irish can win this, they can win at Arizona State and USC, and they should be able to handle Northwestern and Louisville, but even a close loss could be okay. In the eyes of the College Football Playoff world, an 11-1 Notre Dame might just have enough in the schedule bank to slip into the top four if that one loss is an extremely acceptable tight defeat in Tallahassee. A blowout, though, would probably kill the dream. Meanwhile, FSU can probably lose this, too, and get into the playoff at 12-1 with an ACC title, but then it would be up for debate.
So have fun with it. Suspend your belief system for a few hours on Saturday night and enjoy the theater. It should be worth it.
Why Notre Dame Might Win: If you didn?t know this was Florida State, you?d swear this was a team fighting just to be around the top ten. To put it bluntly, Clemson fumbled/choked in the Doak, and even though there was a key part of the Seminole puzzle missing, backup quarterback Sean Maquire did just fine throwing for 304 yards. Against the FSU defense, NC State QB Jacoby Brissett looked like the next Russell Wilson, bombing away for 359 yards, and the next week he completed 4-of-18 passes against Clemson. Even the blowouts over Wake Forest and Syracuse were underwhelming ? the Noles just haven?t been sharp, even if they?ve been effective.
What?s the problem? The running game isn?t there. Last season, FSU ripped up 5.6 yards per carry with 42 touchdowns on the year with six 200-yard games on the year. This season, the ground game has yet to hit the 200-yard mark against any FBS team, and while it averaged over five yards per pop against NC State and Wake Forest, it hasn?t been able to establish much of anything on a consistent basis. The rebuilt Irish defensive front has been outstanding, allowing just 663 yards on the year and doing a great job of holding up against anyone who wants to get physical. Jameis Winston might be a proven winner, but he might have to carry the team on his back all by himself.
Why Florida State Might Win: Winston has yet to be stopped cold, but he can be slowed down with steady pressure ? that?s not really Notre Dame. The line did a great job of giving Stanford?s Kevin Hogan a few problems, and the D has come up with three sacks or more in three of the six games, but this isn?t necessarily a defense that manufactures enough of a pass rush to slow down the FSU passing attack. The Irish might come up with a sack on one play, and then Winston will get time and connect on a 3rd-and-17 the next ? teams have been able to hit him, and it hasn?t made much of a difference.
The real concern for the Irish revolves around the mistakes. They were able to overcome a five turnover day against Syracuse without much of a problem, but after being a +6 in turnover margin in the first two games, they?ve turned it over ten times in the last four with Everett Golson doing everything possible to give it away last week against North Carolina. Notre Dame has to be flawless, and it won?t be.
Who To Watch Out For: Jameis Winston might be the best player in college football by a ten-mile margin, and he still won?t have a shot at the Heisman because of all of the off-field stuff. Even so, this is the type of game that could cement his already legendary status. 19-0 as a starter, for all of his issues and problems, he?s able to focus on what he has to do between the lines. The overall stats aren?t there like they were last season, but he?s been doing just as much to make the machine go, completing 70% of his passes with 11 touchdowns, throwing for over 300 yards in three of his five games, and it would?ve been five-for-five but he wasn?t needed for the whole game against the Citadel and he threw for 297 against Wake Forest.
Despite the problems and errors last week against North Carolina, Golson has been Heisman-worthy, throwing for over 220 yards in every game with 16 touchdowns, four picks, and a game-winner on fourth down to beat Stanford. He hasn?t needed to be a dangerous runner, but he?s effective when he has to be, taking off for a season-high 71 yards last week. 15-1 as a starter ? and the one loss to Alabama wasn?t his fault ? he?s been dangerous at times, ultra-accurate at others ? hitting 25 straight throws against Syracuse ? and the ultimate leader now that he?s more mature than he was in 2012. This is his team now, and he?s taking to the role.
What?s Going To Happen: Both teams have been able to avoid disaster, and each has been battle tested enough to be ready to handle a game like this on the big stage. Notre Dame?s defensive front will shut down the FSU running game cold, and it?ll stiffen in the red zone. Winston and FSU will move the ball, but there will be way too many Roberto Aguayo field goals, keeping the door open for the Irish. Unlike the last few weeks, Notre Dame will be mistake-free on both sides of the ball, and Golson will overcome a rocky start by picking apart a Seminole secondary that can be beaten deep. The Irish will control the clock and the tempo in the second half, and even though Winston will connect on a few huge plays, everyone will be talking about Golson after the game as he pulls neck-and-neck with Dak Prescott as the Heisman front-runner.
cfnscouts take.
I was ready to jump all over the noles, this has me second guessing.
Ugaecu if thus is your write up, wish you would post more often! I see only 42 of them great work!:0055
