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Please post all Negative Bush/Cheney stuff in here. From confirmed sources to conspiracy theories. I'll start with Dick Cheney and Haliburton.


Connecting the Dots to Cheney and Halliburton
January 30, 2004
By Tom Fairlie

At this point, many Republicans are tired of hearing about how the war in Iraq is all about oil. Likewise, they file every new conspiracy theory about Halliburton under the heading of "leftist rant" or in the cabinet marked "anti-corporate-America hogwash". To Bush supporters, our efforts in the Middle East are all about some lofty humanitarian purpose and spreading Democracy to those sorely in need of it. After examining the facts, all I can say is that I hope we don't spread some of our corrupt capitalism as well.

When one considers where the Bush doctrine has taken us so far, one must consider Dick Cheney's impact on the doctrine in the first place. Unlike any other vice president in modern history, Cheney wields much greater power than is normally associated with the role. Foreign dignitaries understand this: they know that the best and perhaps only way to get their point across in Washington is to schedule a meeting with the vice president. At the start, Cheney was allowed to pick most of Bush's cabinet. After the transition was over, he continued to act as Bush's point man on budget and policy matters-making many issues like Iraq his own.

Also unlike other vice presidents in recent memory, Cheney wasn't tapped from a role in government. In fact, after President Clinton's inauguration, Dick Cheney left his role as secretary of defense and spent most of the next eight years as the chief executive officer (CEO) at Halliburton.

Historically, many politicians have qualities that lend themselves to executive management. They know how to talk to people, they know how to sell an idea, and they know what it takes to make things happen in large organizations of people with conflicting goals. In Cheney's case, he had an even better quality: he used his government job to bring billions of dollars in new business to his future employer.

This all started in 1992, when Secretary of State Cheney retained Halliburton to undertake a classified study on the feasibility of outsourcing some of the Defense Department's work. In perhaps the least shocking report of the decade, Halliburton found that it did indeed make sense for the government to farm out some of its work. This landmark study resulted in 2,700 new government contracts that were worth billions to Halliburton. Analysts who studied both wars in Iraq determined that 1 out of every 100 Americans in the first war was a paid civilian and that this ratio had increased to 1 in 10 by the second war.

This surge in new business didn't stop when Halliburton hired Cheney. On the contrary, Cheney was able to continue his connections in the government to help double the value of Halliburton's contracts over the five years he ran the company. Unfortunately, Halliburton's success was in part dependent on business with Iran, Iraq, and Libya (among others). According to Cheney, dealing with shady regimes under U.S. sanctions was necessary because "the good Lord didn't see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratic regimes friendly to the United States."

With Cheney running the show, Halliburton was also found by the Government Accounting Office (GAO) to be overcharging the U.S. Army and was accused of questionable accounting practices by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). To add some icing on his cake, Cheney also helped Halliburton to increase its number of offshore tax havens from 9 to 44. In just one year (1998-99), Halliburton went from paying $302 million in corporate taxes at the start to getting an $85 million refund at the end.

If Cheney did any soul-searching after dealing with authoritarian dictators and avoiding taxes, it certainly didn't affect his social circle. He continued his quest for power by helping to form the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) in 1997 along with a bunch of archconservative hawks such as Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Jeb Bush (the President's brother and governor of Florida). This organization's purpose is to ensure America's global dominance through strategic use of its military.

Ironically, this type of goal was nothing new to Cheney. In 1992, he and his Under Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz worked on what would be the country's new defense policy in a post-USSR world. Wolfowitz's staff created a plan that called for a dominant American military to "establish and protect a new order" that discouraged allies from challenging our leadership and "deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role." Only public outcry kept the plan from moving forward.

In January 1998, the PNAC issued a statement to President Clinton asking him to "undertake military action" and remove Saddam Hussein from power. This tough talk occurred more than 10 months before the UN inspectors left Iraq. Let's try and put this in perspective - the CEO of a company that does a lot of work in the oil industry and with the defense department is urging the president of the U.S. to attack a sovereign nation in the absence of a direct threat when the same company would dramatically benefit from such an action. On balance, I don't think it's possible to have a greater conflict of interest than this.

Five months later, when Clinton still hadn't taken direct action, they sent a similar letter to Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott. This time, they upped the rhetoric and cited even more information about how dangerous Hussein was. Ironically, they suggested that "we should establish and maintain a strong U.S. military presence in the region, and be prepared to use that force to protect our vital interests in the Gulf - and, if necessary, to help remove Saddam from power." Suddenly, the plot thickens. Why on earth would this group petition the President of the U.S. to declare war on another country and then list regime change third in the list "if necessary"?

Once in the White House, Dick Cheney declared that "I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years." Funny thing that, as public records show that Cheney still receives deferred compensation from Halliburton and still owns 433,000 stock options. The Congressional Research Service believes that stock options and deferred salary "are among those benefits described [.] as 'retained ties' or 'linkages' to one's former employer."

My first question is this: if Dick Cheney is so sure that there's no conflict of interest here, then why does his White House biography fail to make any mention whatsoever of what he was doing between 1993 and 2000? If I were the CEO of a billion-dollar business, I would sure as heck put that on my resume.

My other question would be: after reading this, are Republicans still positive that this is just "anti-corporate-America hogwash"?
 

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Senator Frank Lautenberg Releases CRS Report
Confirming Cheney's Deferred Salary and Stock Options
Constitute a "Financial Interest" in Halliburton
PRESS RELEASE / Senator Frank R. Lautenberg 25sep03
Nonpartisan Agency Analysis Conflicts with Cheney's Denials of "Financial Interest"
in Company Reaping Billions From Administration Contracts

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Senator Frank R. Lautenberg released a CRS Report today that confirms that receiving deferred salary and holding stock options in a corporation does constitute a "financial interest" under Federal ethics standards. This finding directly conflicts with statements released by the Vice President's office after it was revealed that the Vice President continues to receive deferred salary from Halliburton and holds 433,333 Halliburton stock options. The controversy arose when Vice President Cheney made the following statement on the September 14th edition of Meet the Press:

"And since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years."

After the Vice President was confronted with information to the contrary, his office continued to deny any financial tie, arguing that by taking out an insurance policy on the deferred salary and assigning his after-tax proceeds from the sale of unexercised options to charity, a financial interest no longer existed. The CRS Report explicitly rejects this dubious line of reasoning, finding that financial ties continue despite those steps.

Another important issue explained in the CRS report is that the President and Vice President are both exempt from the enforcement of the ethics laws. The reason they are exempt is because forcing the President or Vice President to disqualify themselves from certain duties or recusing themselves from certain issues could interfere with the President and Vice President's Constitutionally required duties. The Constitution provides its own remedies against the President and Vice President for ethical breaches.

"This report makes clear that Vice President Cheney does indeed have financial interests in Halliburton under Federal ethics standards," said Senator Lautenberg. "I ask the Vice President to stop dodging the issue with legalese, and acknowledge his continued financial ties with Halliburton to the American people." DEFERRED SALARY

* Deferred salary paid by Halliburton to Vice President Cheney in 2001: $205,298 * Deferred salary paid by Halliburton to Vice President Cheney in 2002: $162,392

Halliburton paid "deferred salary" to Vice President Cheney in his first two years in office and is scheduled to make similar payments to him in 2003, 2004 and 2005. Deferred salary is not a retirement benefit or a payment from a third party escrow account, but rather an ongoing corporate obligation paid from company funds. If a company were to go under, the beneficiary could lose the deferred salary. The Vice President's disclosure forms also describe the deferred salary payments as "elective" without defining this term.

In an attempt to mitigate the Vice President's continuing financial interest in Halliburton with respect to the payment of this deferred compensation, the Vice President's financial disclosure form states that that the Vice President "acquired" an insurance policy "to ensure that he will receive the equivalents of his remaining deferred compensation account with Halliburton." The terms of this insurance policy, its cost, and who paid for it are unclear.

STOCK OPTIONS

At the end of 2002, Vice President Cheney's financial disclosure form stated that he continued to hold 433,333 unexercised Halliburton stock options, with exercise prices above the company's current stock market price. The Vice President has signed an agreement to donate any profits from these stock options to charity, and has pledged not to take any tax deduction for the donations. Should Halliburton's stock price increase over the next few years, the Vice President could exercise his stock options for a substantial profit, benefiting not only his designated charities, but also providing Halliburton with a substantial tax deduction.

Halliburton Stock Options Held by Vice President Cheney (current to end of 2002):

* 100,000 shares at $54.5000 (vested), expire 12-03-07 * 33,333 shares at $28.1250 (vested), expire 12-02-08 * 300,000 shares at $39.5000 (vested), expire 12-02-09

The Vice President's deferred compensation and stock option benefits are in addition to a $20 million retirement package paid to him by Halliburton after only five years of employment; a $1.4 million cash bonus paid to him by Halliburton in 2001; and additional millions of dollars in compensation paid to him while he was employed by the company.

HALLIBURTON'S CONTRACTS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION

WHILE OFFICIAL WASHINGTON SHUT DOWN PREPARING TO RIDE OUT HURRICANE ISABEL HALLIBURTON ENLARGED ITS NO-BID CONTRACT WITH THE BUSH-CHENEY ADMINISTRATION BY AN ADDITIONAL $300 MILLION LAST WEEK. THIS SPIKE BRINGS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS PAID TO HALLIBURTON TO $2.25 BILLION ? OF WHICH $1.25 BILLION IS FROM THE NO-BID, EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT.

Negotiated in secret, this no-bid contract was originally intended for the sole purpose of extinguishing potential oil fires that could result from the war, but Halliburton's sole-source contract extended with the Army last March and April to include the reconstruction and repair of Iraq's oil infrastructure. Lautenberg has called on the Government Affairs Committee to hold hearings on Halliburton's no-bid contract.

"While the lights were out, Halliburton billed the American people $300 million over the hurricane weekend," said Lautenberg. "Congress has the responsibility to look into this immediately before more taxpayer money is placed in Halliburton's bank accounts."
 

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I especially like the part where they say that they need a NEW Pearl Harbor to get what they need.
 

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Bush Denies Warnings About 9/11

G.W. Bush continues to deny that he or his administration had any warning about the attacks of 9/11. Yet ABC News and Dateline NBC both reported that White House officials acknowledged that U.S. intelligence agencies delivered a one-and-a-half page document to President Bush on August 6th that warned about a possible attempt by terrorists to hijack American airplanes.

This was at the same time that top administration officials were told to change their flight plans because of "threats." Attorney General John Ashcroft started traveling by leased jet aircraft because of what the Justice Department called a "threat assessment." This threat assessment has never been made public.

Finally, there is the curious coincidence that a group of top Pentagon bigwigs suddenly, on 9/10, cancelled travel plans for the next morning because of security concerns.
 

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41% approval on the war in Iraq. That means the country is not nearly as dumb as I thought.
 

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LMAO!!

TS, I have no problem with your or anyone's particular political views. They are all like A-holes, we all have them and they all are different.

But it did strike me as funny as you were the only one posting in here, and I didn't want you to feel lonely!! LOL!

TSI :wall:
 

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Thank you dogface!!! I posted all three messages in here rapid fire. My fellow liberals must all be out living. I just had minor surgery so Im stuck on the couch with my laptop.
 

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The key is in your 1st statement:

"Please post all Negative Bush/Cheney stuff in here. From confirmed sources to "conspiracy theories".

Would you do us a favor and note from start on each one which are confirmed (or fact) so we can skip over the BS --which all appear to be so far.

When your done I'll list "facts" on past administration (if Jack has enough webspace--I remember fronm months back the pardon of felon list alone took 3 pages;)

P.S. If you would have changed your statement to
"Facts Only" it sure would save you a lot of typing--but then again your topic is "For liberal eyes only" and pertaining to facts only would leave little discussion:lol:
 
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DTB, once again you jump on the typical Bush defense. You chose not to argue one single point put up by TS instead you say you will once again tell us how bad Clinton was. Why don't you defend your own boy Bush on the charges posted by TS. I have seen three posts in this thread mocking TS and yours attacking Clinton but not one defending Bush. Why is it that you guys can never keep on the subject.
 

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TS only thing I will say. Bush or it was his gang of crooks that told him to do this. Either lied or Bs'd the hell out of us. And it's cost over 800 lives. Thats when my backing of him stopped. Afgan Yes we should have ripped that chit hole apart. Iraq what a miss managed effort.
 

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Stevie and DJV:

You guys are great. Keep it up. As far as posting the negative things about the vice-criminal in DC, God has not made enough bandwith to even scratch the surface of such an endeavour.

What I have learned about many of the defenders of this criminal administration on this board is that they appear to have the same values, belief systems, and ethical standards as Bush, Cheney and those that purchase their favors.

Many of our right wing bretheren here believe that greed is good, only the strong should survive, and that somehow, someway, those that are born American and to some degree, those that become American citizens are better than the other human beings that currently rent space on this planet.

I find such arrogance to be both amusing and frightening at the same time. In other words, its like playing f*** your buddy in pool. The only difference is that many of those playing life billiards are not equally able to play the game.

Accordingly, you have Republicans. So much for compassionate conservatism. I love how our right wing friends argue for less government until it suits there needs. I love how they blame Clinton for everything.

The reality is that it goes back to the core principles stated above. That is, if government legislation somehow benefits me, then I am for it. However, if I derive no benefit from the governments actions, then its governmental interference in business.

I think the words arrogance, greed, take care of number 1 apply to these unethical, despicable beings. Oh yeah, one other term............stupid.

Eddie
 

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interesting

interesting

"The reality is that it goes back to the core principles stated above. That is, if government legislation somehow benefits me, then I am for it. However, if I derive no benefit from the governments actions, then its governmental interference in business".......


yes business is one part of it...

isn`t that what politics is?.....isn`t it all about special interests in this country.....on both sides of the aisle.....from big business to welfare issues?...from border control.....to big government....to taxation.....

TO TORT REFORM!!!!!!!

isn`t everyone trying to grease their own wheel?....it`s not a one sided issue....

you have to be ideologically blind to see it it as one sided issue....

c`mon...get real...
 

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You are dead wrong. What your friend have successfully done is take away the right to a jury trial guaranteed by the Constitution. In its place they have substituted their view as to what appropriate damages are.

No, no weasel. It is much more than simply taking care of whoever puts you there. This is not about merely gerrymandering or throwing some federal funds at a district that helped get you elected. It's much more fundamentally an attack on the basis upon which this country was founded.

Your buddies are messing with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Watering down the constitution with a proposed amendment defining marriage? Thats not only an agenda by those in power. It is a signal that these horrible people are trying to alter the fundamental structure of this country. Since they now control all branches of federal and state government they are changing all the rules not merely taking care of friends.

Very dangerous time for freedom. Very dangerous time for democracy. When you think about it, your republican friends are quite anti-American.

Eddie
 

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as i see it

as i see it

maybe it`s time to change the jury system...it`s become a joke to everyone except lawyers...again...

"The reality is that it goes back to the core principles stated above. That is, if government legislation somehow benefits me, then I am for it. ......"""""However, if I derive no benefit from the governments actions, then its governmental interference in business.""""""""

after seeing celebrities that can afford high powered attorneys and jury consultants basically walk away from obvious situations in which the average guy does hard time,i think your average joe on the street is fed up with the jury system...set up by lawyers for lawyers...

it`s about time they capped some of these ludicrous awards....a little tiresome hearing lawyers defending the placing of limits on ridiculous awards given by moronic or biased juries with no frame of reference as to what an appropriate award is.....only to see 80% of it go to some shyster,anyway......when lawyers complain about award limits,is it because of altruistic reasons?...or just plain greed?....lmao.......a joke...

it`s nice to be able to hide behind the constitution....even if your motives are as black as coal......

..this is not what the founding fathers intended..for attorneys to gouge people that need it the most....

i was on an auto injury jury...and nobody had a clue...no frame of reference as to what would be appropriate...it was ridiculous...

you guys are no different than the big business monsters.....only,you guys make the laws....you protect yourselves....the fox is in the henhouse...


again....."The reality is that it goes back to the core principles stated above. That is, if government legislation somehow benefits me, then I am for it. ......"""""However, if I derive no benefit from the governments actions, then its governmental interference in business.""""""""

hypocrisy....to put it mildly....you don`t see the immense irony here?...

ed,i like you and enjoy your posts(as incendiary as they are)...but you are no different than we peons.....just as idelogically biased and disingenuous as the republicans you skewer...
 
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Eddie Haskell said:
Stevie and DJV:

You guys are great. Keep it up. As far as posting the negative things about the vice-criminal in DC, God has not made enough bandwith to even scratch the surface of such an endeavour.

What I have learned about many of the defenders of this criminal administration on this board is that they appear to have the same values, belief systems, and ethical standards as Bush, Cheney and those that purchase their favors.

Many of our right wing bretheren here believe that greed is good, only the strong should survive, and that somehow, someway, those that are born American and to some degree, those that become American citizens are better than the other human beings that currently rent space on this planet.

I find such arrogance to be both amusing and frightening at the same time. In other words, its like playing f*** your buddy in pool. The only difference is that many of those playing life billiards are not equally able to play the game.

Accordingly, you have Republicans. So much for compassionate conservatism. I love how our right wing friends argue for less government until it suits there needs. I love how they blame Clinton for everything.

The reality is that it goes back to the core principles stated above. That is, if government legislation somehow benefits me, then I am for it. However, if I derive no benefit from the governments actions, then its governmental interference in business.

I think the words arrogance, greed, take care of number 1 apply to these unethical, despicable beings. Oh yeah, one other term............stupid.

Eddie

Most people judge others based on their own selves. If you are a greedy bastard, you will think all others are the same. I think you're a pretty greedy guy, Eddie, probably frustrated and obsessive about it. Most people with money that I know are greedy and consider themselves liberals. WTF!

That just proves my longtime theory that most liberals all they want is to control others and be the elite ruling and governing group, able to order others to do as they seem fit disguising this power -handle as being for the "good of all" and based on "compassion" for all mankind while they stick it to you in the worse way. That's the way you are, Eddie, isn't that right? You want to return to the days of the feudal Lords, as long as you're one of them, and have the power to decide what is right for those whom you deem intellectually lesser than you. Or you would probably say "misguided".

Let me tell you something, Greed, is good and bad. You see, it all depends on how you go about it. Many liberals are very greedy and power-hungry. This also appiles to conservatives, but much more in the case of liberals because that is the bottom line: amass power, create authority and control others as you wish. This may be the extreme, but it would apply to you.
 

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Eddie Im very serious. I was pissed at Clinton with his BS and lies in the end. Even tho by luck or what ever. My wealth and many more went way up with him. And when your at 4% unemloyment you have all those that want to work working. The last
4% will live off all of us for ever. I also did not like how the USS Cole was handled. So I said self no Gore. Were going with Bush. I stayed with him for about 13 months. Then I said what the hell is this guy doing. As time has passed he's become no better then Clinton with the lies. So I will vote for anyone but him. Even if the person loses.
 
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