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[IntenseOperator]

Heard last night they have a new law in the books which states (I think) all cars must have installed RF ID, radio frequency identification, that would enable law enforcement to automatically know if a vehicle has insurance or not.

If that becomes more of a trend, I could see our own fearless leader, Mayor Daley, getting a real hard on for such technology. It would be expanded for all types of revenue generating activities such as speeding etc.

I'm all for people driving with insurance and that being mandatory, but this could be expanded to possibly frightening scenarios.

 

[theGibber1]

but this could be expanded to possibly frightening scenarios.

like what?

 

[IntenseOperator]

When was your last emissions test?

How many hours has this vehicle been operating?

When was your last tune up? oil change? purchase of tires?

At various times of the day, what was the speed of the vehicle?

Roll any stop signs?

Run any yellow/red lights?

In what parts of the city were the readings taken?

Is the city sticker/plate sticker updated?

How many accidents has this vehicle been in?

Were the proper vehicle taxes paid, for the City of Chicago, upon purchase? These must be paid by residents of the city regardless of were a vehicle is purchased.

Is this an employee of the city that commutes often from outside the city borders? This is illegal for most city employees.

How often does this vehicle visit a gas station? And were is that station located? Outside the city borders, gas is cheaper. This of course cannot be allowed.

Use for taxing or surcharges for various parts of the city.
Ball game- additional tax
O'Hare Airport- additional tax
Lakefront- additional tax
Shopping malls- additional tax
of course Non-toll Highways- additional tax
downtown Chicago-additional tax

Weight of vehicle at differing times-additional tax

If you drive (take a shortcut) through a residential area (not of your origin) without stopping-additional tax

 

[theGibber1]

lol

dont you think you might be going a bit overboard with this?


i live in Dallas.. 4 weeks ago an idiot crashed into me and he had no insurance..

i am S.O.L because of this..


im not bashing you or anything.. but if this technology was in place. maybe this moron would have not been on the road...

Why so paranoid? This is America.. are you really worried the government will tell people where they can buy gas???

a bit far fetched i think

 

[IntenseOperator]

You don't know this Mayor. What I speak of is by no means far fetched.

I don't have the finger strength to explain the state of things in my fair city. I will say that a year ago, this mayor publicly stated that all property taxes should be instantly increased a minimum of 50% simply do to the demand of many that want to live and work here. This was in all seriousness.

Much of what I explained above is already implemented in other forms. There are special taxes involved in the use of the airport, cellphones, restaurants, purchase of vehicles, all manufacturing, grocery purchases, gas, and a million other things I can't think of.

There are currently cameras of an expanding number all over the city at various intersections. They will soon be equiped to measure speeding. Now they currently take pictures of those running lights etc. Fines are sent to vehicle owners weeks later, not whoever is driving.

There are currently white and blue survailance boxes in various parts of the inner city that are suppose to keep crime down. They sit atop poles with flashing blue lights 24/7.

If you own commercial property of any sort, the city will not only tax the crap out of you, charge you for "inspections", make up fines of various sorts as a source of revenue, but they will tell you how your landscape is to look. Right down to the kind of plants you have and the number of lines in your parking lot. While charging you for the blueprint of these things that the contractor/engineer draws up for their acceptance.

I guarantee you Mayor Daley would definitely charge citizens of the City of Chicago for any loss of revenue when gas is purchased outside the city limits.

 

[ocelot]

IO, I agree with you that this is not a good thing. Will lead to just further erosion of personal freedom.

 

[dawgball]

I would volunteer for this service because it would show my insurance company just how little my car moves. I work from home and put about 10 miles a week on my car running simple errands. I, personally, think this should be reflected in my insurance price.

Where do I sign?

 

[Sun Tzu]

Got no problem with it at all. They should also have the mandatory breathalyzers that prevent you from starting your car if you are drunk. Dont even cost $1000 and insurance would probably pay for it. Frankly, when I drive around with my 11 month old son I would feel a whole leot better and couldnt care less about those whining about government intrusuion. Isdn the safety of our loved ones worth the trade off?

 

[theGibber1]

Agreed..

I read 1985 in high school, it was entertaining but i dont buy into the whole big brother thing...

Just b/c there might be a plan to keep uninsured motorists off the road doesnt mean its actually an evil plot to keep tabs on American citizens.

Conspiracy theories are fun. But the idea that this is a hidden agenda to spy on people or charge them extra taxes on how much their car weighs throughout the day is ridiculous..

My cousin was killed by an idiot who ran a red light. Maybe if that idiot knew there was a camera at the light that would bust him if he tried to run it, my cousin would still be here..

im with dawgball where do i sign..

 

[IntenseOperator]

I never went into any kind of evil plot theory.

Our fearless leader here would definitely use the technology for increasing the city's revenue. That was all I was saying. Only a Chicagoan would understand how the "City that Works" operates.

On another note.....

I really think getting into a conversation about the ways the government can keep us "safer" is really drawn out.

Cigs, booze, driving, fat, GAMBLING

Your stories are all touching, but the fact of the matter is idiots will continue to exist and breed around us. As in penguin's thread. You can't legislate them away. Unless of course, unless idiots are castrated BY LAW when they become teenagers, which I'm all for . MadJacks would be a much quieter place and we would have fewer lawyers.

Getting back to the point of the thread, I still would like someone from Texas to just say if it's true or not.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Actually in the early 1900s the US Supreme Court upheld an Oklahoma law requiring sterilization of the mentally retarded. Infamous Justice Holmes wrote, in upholding the law, "three generations of morons is enough." A return to that thinking wouldnt be all bad.

 

[theGibber1]

ah yes.. your question

i just moved to Dallas about 5 months ago..

i just bought a new car here 3 weeks ago and no mention of this was ever made.. your post was the first ive heard on the subject...

kind of got off track there didnt we

gl

gib

 

[dawgball]

Gibber-- was 1985 the lesser known sequel to 1984?

 

[IntenseOperator]

dddddaaammmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnn :mj07:

 

[theGibber1]

Gibber-- was 1985 the lesser known sequel to 1984?

hhahhaahahhahaha


doh!!!! :clap:

 

[Another Steve]

I haven't anything about this nor would I support anything like this. I agree, to many expantion opprtunities.

 

[dr. freeze]

Those who favor security over liberty deserve neither

I am totally against this if it is true

Put Justice back in the courts and most of these problems will go away as best they can

 

[Superbear]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/04/28/top_city_officials_aid_family_in_zoning_bind/

45.26 feet from curb instead of 50 feet and because of this they might have to tear down a brand new $400,000 house

 

[ryson]

Seems to be true

Seems to be true

the link



79R7420 DWS-D

By: Staples S.B. No. 1670


A BILL TO BE ENTITLED


AN ACT


relating to a motor vehicle financial responsibility verification
program; providing a penalty.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Chapter 601, Transportation Code, is amended by
adding Subchapter N to read as follows:
SUBCHAPTER N. FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY VERIFICATION PROGRAM

Sec. 601.451. DEFINITION. In this subchapter,
"implementing agencies" means:
(1) the department;
(2) the Texas Department of Transportation;
(3) the Texas Department of Insurance; and
(4) the Department of Information Resources.
Sec. 601.452. IMPLEMENTATION OF PROGRAM; RULES. (a) The
department in consultation with the other implementing agencies
shall establish a program for verification of whether owners of
motor vehicles have established financial responsibility. The
program established must be:
(1) the program most likely to:
(A) reduce the number of uninsured motorists in
this state;
(B) operate reliably;
(C) be cost-effective;
(D) sufficiently protect the privacy of the motor
vehicle owners; and
(E) sufficiently ensure the security and
integrity of each database to which it is applied; and
(2) capable of being audited by an independent
auditor.
(b) The implementing agencies shall jointly adopt rules to
administer this subchapter.
Sec. 601.453. AGENT. (a) The department in consultation
with the other implementing agencies, under a competitive bidding
procedure, shall select an agent to develop, implement, operate,
and maintain the program.
(b) The implementing agencies shall jointly enter into a
contract with the selected agent.
(c) A contract under this section may not have a term of more
than 10 years.
Sec. 601.454. INFORMATION PROVIDED BY INSURANCE COMPANY;
PRIVACY. (a) Each insurance company providing motor vehicle
liability insurance policies in this state shall provide necessary
information or allow a chosen agent sufficient access to its
databases to allow the agent to carry out this subchapter, subject
to the agent's contract with the implementing agencies and rules
adopted under this subchapter.
(b) The agent is entitled only to information determined by
the implementing agencies to be necessary to carry out this
subchapter.
(c) Information obtained under this subchapter is
confidential. The agent may use the information only for a purpose
authorized under this subchapter and may not use the information
for a commercial purpose.
(d) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly uses
information obtained under this subchapter for any purpose not
authorized under this subchapter. An offense under this subsection
is a Class B misdemeanor.
SECTION 2. Sections 502.1715(c) and (d), Transportation
Code, are amended to read as follows:
(c) Fees [On or after August 31, 2005, fees] collected under
this section shall be deposited to the credit of the state highway
fund. Subject to appropriation, the money may be used by the
Department of Public Safety, the Texas Department of Insurance, the
Department of Information Resources, and the department to carry
out Subchapter N, Chapter 601.
(d) The Department of Public Safety, [and] the Texas
Department of Insurance, the Department of Information Resources,
and the department shall jointly adopt rules and develop forms
necessary to administer this section.
SECTION 3. Section 502.1715(b), Transportation Code, is
repealed.
SECTION 4. The Department of Public Safety shall select an
agent required by Section 601.453, Transportation Code, as added by
this Act, before December 31, 2005, and the agencies responsible
for implementing Subchapter N, Chapter 601, Transportation Code, as
added by this Act, shall require full implementation of the
financial responsibility verification program under that
subchapter before September 1, 2006.
SECTION 5. This Act takes effect September 1, 2005.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Thanks Ryson

(B) operate reliably;
(C) be cost-effective;
(D) sufficiently protect the privacy of the motor
vehicle owners; and
(E) sufficiently ensure the security and
integrity of each database to which it is applied;

:mj07:

I would hate to be the 1st cat to pay their insurance bill at the office the 27th, then get locked up and have the car impounded the 28th on their way to pick up the kids from school.

Be cost effective :142smilie