Former ACLU Chapter President Arrested for Child Pornography.

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My initial opinion (after very little review of this case) is that he is probably guilty. Which has absolutely nothing to do with my question to you, which you continue to avoid. No big deal. I think you answer it with your avoidance. Carry on.

i checked back and the only 2 questions i could comprehend from you were:

""Are you saying he does not deserve a trial, because of what he is charged with? If he does deserve a trial, then who should defend him?""

and i said,"he`ll get his trial.....i hope he gets his trial...and i wish they`d put cameras in the courtroom......i hope this doesn`t just fade away......as it seems the msm isn`t the least bit interested""....

as for who should defend him?.....the aclu,of course.....they`re well versed in defending scum bags pro-bono(see nambla)......

hope that floats your boat....
 

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So he deserves a fair trial, and a defense by someone who will put forth a good faith effort, then?

The man worked for the ACLU. There are a lot of people with serious mental issues that work for a lot of companies. Do you think he actually went to the Public Library to look and download this stuff? You intimate that in your post. Sounds pretty unlikely to me, not that that matters to you, of course.

You state in there that the guy paid for this and did it. In the report you draw from, every reference contains the term, "allegedly." You don't need that, tho...doesn't help your rant. Part of your pre-conviction process, that an attorney might uncover...damn the fairness!!!

By the way, you failed to mention who uncovered this, and reported it...ABC News. I guess that blows an entire two or three paragraphs for you...when you are criticizing the leftist media conspiracy. Fair and balanced, to be sure...:rolleyes:

Was this reported on any of the leftist sites or conservative sites at the same time you were pointing out the OTHER liberal ones not posting it? Just curious...you seem to have done a lot of study on this. (e-mail Wayne...he has the links to those...along with Al-Jazira.com and Bluemedia.com) Maybe they did...looks like the liberal one broke the story, though, doesn't it. - OUCH.

You even manage to get in a Rush Limbaugh defense...amazing. There is a simple reason why the lefties bashed him...he is the complete Oxycontin-Oxymoron that has blasted anyone with a drug problem, from athletes to entertainers to democrats, and then he follows the same path - and one even more unscrupulous.

I guess you think he should be beyond reproach, too? Maybe the ACLU should have represented him, too.
 

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stevie....

you are being influenced by kosar & smurphy. i wish you would pick better role models like gw or dtb.....just sayin'[/QUOTE

Thank you for setting me straight. Oh, and I forgive for putting up the picture of the ugly lady a couple of weeks ago.
 

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Speaking of avoidence, you notice how Weasel laughs off every conspriacy theory....except his about the media? Just sayin'

Stevie it is only a conspiracy theory when they say so. Which is a lot when you get caught with lie after lie after a lie.
 
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The man worked for the ACLU. There are a lot of people with serious mental issues that work for a lot of companies. Do you think he actually went to the Public Library to look and download this stuff? You intimate that in your post. Sounds pretty unlikely to me, not that that matters to you, of course.

By the way, you failed to mention who uncovered this, and reported it...ABC News. I guess that blows an entire two or three paragraphs for you...when you are criticizing the leftist media conspiracy. Fair and balanced, to be sure...:rolleyes:

You even manage to get in a Rush Limbaugh defense...amazing. There is a simple reason why the lefties bashed him...he is the complete Oxycontin-Oxymoron that has blasted anyone with a drug problem, from athletes to entertainers to democrats, and then he follows the same path - and one even more unscrupulous.

I guess you think he should be beyond reproach, too? Maybe the ACLU should have represented him, too.


wrong...the a.p. originally reported it and abc.com picked it up off the wire service.....not sure if the network picked it up.....

the other biggies i mentioned ignored it....

i don`t know what he did at the library....and based on the evidence,i don`t think i`d care to know.......i do know that he defended the library`s having "open" internet access(and that would include kiddie porn,bomb making 101 for terrorists and many other anti-social goodies)....

and i didn`t defend limbaugh.....i don`t like limbaugh.....i used his case to illustrate the obvious double standard in the msm.....

what concerns you more?...knowing that a mo-mo like limbaugh takes vicodin?...or that the guy next door is a vicious pedophile?....and is in a position that direectly influences laws and public policy?.....

thank me very much....
 

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Ok, part of my point was incorrect...A.P. uncovered it, so you say - I believe you - but this is an ABC pickup and report, so that counts for something. And I would assume the Associated Press is pretty much looked at as an association of press, which we all know what you consider to be liberal leaning, right? Or, can I quote you on saying the A.P. is centered and not left leaning? Just curious...would be nice to know. A good point to move forward on, for reference. I don't know that all the other biggies ignored it, as you put it...maybe so. I'm guessing the righty ones did too, you didn't jump on that.

I think you meant alleged evidence...but then, your position is clear that the dude is guilty, because I guess you believe what you hear from ABC now, if it serves your agenda. Wait, The A.P....sorry. You brought up the library...not me. Just making a point. I seriously doubt the guy was being self-serving in his point that the general public should have open access to the Internet at the library, which is what most people have now in their own homes. I guess government should control the Internet for the public now? More government intervention and control? Interesting...no problem with you having the position, just want it to be clear.

Bad choice of saying you were defending Limbaugh...just incredulous that he was the example you would hold up as leftys being unfair to and comparing it to this. It's simply ridiculous...comparing these two things. Limbaugh, in this instance, is so far beyond realistic when you see what he did, and what he had previously found public fault with in other public figures. Every single person who went off on Limbaugh for what he did, and what his position was prior to being found out, is correct in doing so. I wouldn't be talking about him - as fun as it is - if you had not held him up as a media example.

I only care about Limbaugh, because he is a fraud. It bothers me that so many people believe in him, and base their opinions at least in part because of the things he says. I would of course care immeasurably more about the guy next door, who is ALLEGEDLY a vicious pedophile, and attempts to influence law. As we can all see yet again, you take the leap of faith to try to make your point seem more "right," that the person is now a vicious pedophile...and not just a person who allegedly frequents those kinds of Web sites. I think my judge/jury/executioner point is even more soundly made in your case...with this. I'm not defending what is alleged in this case, which you zip right by...just his right to have a fair trial.

Keep posting...you continue to make my points for me. Cheers!
 

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It bothers me that so many people believe in him, and base their opinions at least in part because of the things he says.

chad...

if it bothers you that much then take 2 valium every few hours....i guarantee you will get over it.

i don't like rush...think he is a blow-hard & haven't listened to him in quite some time. i really don't care if people are influenced by him........ the same way it doesn't bother me that people are/were inluenced by liberal blow-hards....ie...ny times op-ed pieces or air-america when it was on the air.

it's funny that is i don't remember reading anything by you about how annoyed you are/were about people being influenced by liberal types......maybe it's because you agree with what liberals have to say & can't stomach what consevatives have to say....which is your right.

but you & some of the others here are no different then what you accuse dtb or gw of being.....& that is biased.....which again is your right.

okay guys carry on.....
 
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chad.....

btw i forgot to ask you in the previous post...

i know some people (democrats & republicans) who live here in the winter & minny in the summer that are very annoyed that al franken is running for senator....

what are his chances ?
 

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I do get annoyed (of course less so) with some liberal pundits when they are not credible and just plain bash conservatives as a mode of operation. Rush is just a real thorn for me, and he was the topic brought up by weasel - that's the only reason I was talking about him. I listen to him from time to time, just want to hear some of the viewpoints, and sometimes I agree with him...just think he is a huge hypocrit and a blowhard, and says many things just for effect (as do others, both sides).

You mention Franken...he is one of the liberals I do have a hard time listening to on the radio for the reason I mentioned...less on substance (at least on his show at times) and more about droning on about the same bunch of things that righties are rippable on. I much prefer Ed Schultz (now the #5 talk radio personality overall) and Thom Hartmann - both of which do not avoid listeners from the other side and engage in healthy debate on air. Rush, Hannity, screen their calls to establish a solid wall of conservatism, and avoid such debate. I'm sure some liberals do, too.

As for his chances, I think they are decent, as I think he could be a galvanizing person, and has immediate recognition. He is pretty well versed on policy, and the issues. As for response to him here, or in AZ, I really have not seen or heard anything on that. Ciresi will be a formidable opponent on the DFL side, before he even would get to face Coleman.
 

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thanks for you repsonse chad....

i try to stay clear of talk radio.....i don't even like to listen to people talking sports (unless it's football season)......give me some rock or jazz on the radio...

i didn't know franken is planning on running against coleman...i hope coleman wins since i like him.
 

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Feb. 23, 2007? ""Federal agents arrested Charles Rust-Tierney, the former president of the Virginia chapter of the ACLU, Friday in Arlington for allegedly possessing child pornography.

According to a criminal complaint obtained by ABC News, Rust-Tierney allegedly used his e-mail address and credit card to subscribe to and access a child pornography website.

The complaint states that federal investigations into child pornography websites revealed that ?Charles Rust-Tierney has subscribed to multiple child pornography website over a period of years."

As recently as last October, the complaint alleges, ?Rust-Tierney purchased access to a group of hardcore commercial child pornography websites.""

disclaimer...he`s been charged.....not convicted...but,he accessed this material...i believe bought and paid for....

what they weren`t honest enough to mention was that the material this reprobate had accessed showed very young female children bound,gagged and raped while screaming and crying.......

here`s my guess on the excuse..."i was just doing research on pedophiles"....

this guy,if convicted,will be removed from general population.....which is more than our border patrol agent got....lol


the aclu has defended these kinds of people in the past.... this time it should be even easier since they all work nearby....

Your thinking is way off. You are not concerned about a person who is a threat to children but you are happy that a group like the aclu witch has a faction as far left as you are far right has a problem with a former member. You say that the aclu has defended these kinds before. In our system, all of us have that right. I don't see why this news excites you. You seem to get some type of perverted glee from this story. This is no more damaging to the aclu than president Bush sitting down with a far right evangelist homophobe, who had a hand in setting policy for this administration, that turns out to be a crack addict who smokes men.
 

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Your thinking is way off. You are not concerned about a person who is a threat to children but you are happy that a group like the aclu witch has a faction as far left as you are far right has a problem with a former member. You say that the aclu has defended these kinds before. In our system, all of us have that right. I don't see why this news excites you. You seem to get some type of perverted glee from this story. This is no more damaging to the aclu than president Bush sitting down with a far right evangelist homophobe, who had a hand in setting policy for this administration, that turns out to be a crack addict who smokes men.

Did I hit the nail on the head on this one, or what ?
 

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Did I hit the nail on the head on this one, or what ?

Dam i was gonna say the exact same thing to you. That is the problem with guys like Weasal. they are breaded to see one side and one side only. Not sure I saw him write one word about Haggart. Now Lefties want all corruption thrown in jail not just half of it.
 

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Pretty sure Coleman will be well funded by the national party, as he carried the water for Bush early and often on many issues with the Iraq war, intelligence, etc. He is a very slick dude, and I don't like a lot of what he stands for, of course. He used to be a democrat, and was losing at that, before he became a republican at a time when that was popular. They placed him in places of importance committee-wise, right out of the gate, so he will be protected as best they can - and this Franken thing will draw even more attention from them, I'm sure.
 

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Coleman was a godsend patsie for Bush. He never would have been there at all if not for the unfortunate death of Wellstone. The timing of that worked out so well fo Bush and his Iraq plan it's scary. Out with the beloved and respected thorn in Bush's shoe, in with a Bush pushover. ...What was the feeling in those parts surrounding that turn of events, Chadman?
 

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coleman should go the way of all the other Iraq supporters. He should be happy he will only be shown the door.
 

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coleman should go the way of all the other Iraq supporters. He should be happy he will only be shown the door.


Franken should wax this piece of shit. Sitting on his hands rubber stamping everything not once going after war profiteers. But hey we got guys here that like him. I guess they like this type of conduct. Franken is the worst type of nightmare for these neocons. A very educated guy who will not take any of their bullshit. He won't sit there like most of these pantsy democrats and take a beating. Fox will go big time after him so that will get this creep Coleman a lot of votes since most people can't figure out that that station is not a news station but an entertainment station for mental midgets.
 
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