It certainly sounds like it. 6 winning pick 6 tickets and they all go to the same guy. Singles Domedriver but uses everyone in the last two legs. Sounds more and more like this bet got thru the computer system after the Juvenile was run. If he wasn't so greedy, he probably could've gotten away with it. Instead he starts out with 4 singles, then 2 "alls". What an idiot. No way is it legit.
Foul play??
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from the Baltimore sun
from the Baltimore sun
N.Y. Probes 6 Wagers at OTB Parlor
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By Associated Press
Originally published October 28, 2002, 6:40 PM EST
ALBANY, N.Y. -- The New York State Racing and Wagering Board has begun investigating six winning Breeders' Cup wagers worth a total of $2.5 million, all made Saturday by one person at an upstate Off-Track Betting parlor.
"We started looking into this yesterday, so we froze those tickets pending a review of the situation," Stacy Clifford, spokeswoman for the racing board, said Monday. "There could be something here or there could be nothing here. Obviously it's a very important investigation and we want to make sure it's a thorough one."
The six winning bets -- each worth $428,392 -- were apparently made through a telephone account with Catskill OTB, Clifford said. The Ultra Pick Six tickets were for Breeders' Cup World Thoroughbred Championships at Arlington Park in Illinois.
The investigation came at the request of the National Thoroughbred Racing Association and the Breeders' Cup Ltd.
"It was a lucky day for a lucky fan," Don Groth, president of Catskill OTB, told the Thoroughbred Times. "We believe that's what it was. We hope that's what it was."
Clifford said she didn't know how long the investigation would take. She declined to name the bettor.
Copyright ? 2002, The Associated Press
from the Baltimore sun
N.Y. Probes 6 Wagers at OTB Parlor
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By Associated Press
Originally published October 28, 2002, 6:40 PM EST
ALBANY, N.Y. -- The New York State Racing and Wagering Board has begun investigating six winning Breeders' Cup wagers worth a total of $2.5 million, all made Saturday by one person at an upstate Off-Track Betting parlor.
"We started looking into this yesterday, so we froze those tickets pending a review of the situation," Stacy Clifford, spokeswoman for the racing board, said Monday. "There could be something here or there could be nothing here. Obviously it's a very important investigation and we want to make sure it's a thorough one."
The six winning bets -- each worth $428,392 -- were apparently made through a telephone account with Catskill OTB, Clifford said. The Ultra Pick Six tickets were for Breeders' Cup World Thoroughbred Championships at Arlington Park in Illinois.
The investigation came at the request of the National Thoroughbred Racing Association and the Breeders' Cup Ltd.
"It was a lucky day for a lucky fan," Don Groth, president of Catskill OTB, told the Thoroughbred Times. "We believe that's what it was. We hope that's what it was."
Clifford said she didn't know how long the investigation would take. She declined to name the bettor.
Copyright ? 2002, The Associated Press
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Originally published Oct 29, 2002
Breeders' Cup bets, said to be made by Md. man, reviewed
An investigation into the Breeders' Cup pick six has been launched by the New York State Racing and Wagering Board in response to requests by both the National Thoroughbred Racing Association and the Breeders' Cup.
On a day spiced by the upset victories of Domedriver, paying $54 in the Mile, Starine, $28.40 in the Filly and Mare Turf, and Volponi, $89 in the Classic, there were half a dozen perfect tickets, worth $428,392 each - all bought by one bettor, making telephone bets through an off-track account wagering service in upstate New York, according to the New York State Racing and Wagering Board.
If this weren't unusual enough, all the tickets, reportedly bought by a 29-year-old Maryland resident, were exactly the same. Industry officials involved in the investigation, speaking on condition of anonymity, identified the bettor to The New York Times as Derrick Davis, who could not be reached for comment.
Originally published Oct 29, 2002
Breeders' Cup bets, said to be made by Md. man, reviewed
An investigation into the Breeders' Cup pick six has been launched by the New York State Racing and Wagering Board in response to requests by both the National Thoroughbred Racing Association and the Breeders' Cup.
On a day spiced by the upset victories of Domedriver, paying $54 in the Mile, Starine, $28.40 in the Filly and Mare Turf, and Volponi, $89 in the Classic, there were half a dozen perfect tickets, worth $428,392 each - all bought by one bettor, making telephone bets through an off-track account wagering service in upstate New York, according to the New York State Racing and Wagering Board.
If this weren't unusual enough, all the tickets, reportedly bought by a 29-year-old Maryland resident, were exactly the same. Industry officials involved in the investigation, speaking on condition of anonymity, identified the bettor to The New York Times as Derrick Davis, who could not be reached for comment.
5 days after the fact and there is absolutely no evidence to believe this was legit. The winner opened the account one week before the Breeders Cup, and his Pick 6 was the first wager he made. A naive view would be that he "really liked Domedriver and Starine"; but if that was the case he could've crushed the Pic 3 for a big score without worrying about the other races. Anyone who truly had the foresight to believe Domedriver and Starine were singles, as well as Vindication and Azeri, (who weren't longshots but were in contentious races) would've been able to realize there was only a small number of contenders in the Turf, yet he uses a no-chance horse like Perfect Soul? The real question is who many times has he, or someone else like him, done this before??
The question is "is there any evidence to show it is NOT legit?"Valuist said:5 days after the fact and there is absolutely no evidence to believe this was legit. The winner opened the account one week before the Breeders Cup, and his Pick 6 was the first wager he made. A naive view would be that he "really liked Domedriver and Starine"; but if that was the case he could've crushed the Pic 3 for a big score without worrying about the other races. Anyone who truly had the foresight to believe Domedriver and Starine were singles, as well as Vindication and Azeri, (who weren't longshots but were in contentious races) would've been able to realize there was only a small number of contenders in the Turf, yet he uses a no-chance horse like Perfect Soul? The real question is who many times has he, or someone else like him, done this before??
As to opening the account one week before the BC. Well, its a big race. I opened my sportsbook accounts right before the Superbowl because I wanted to be in on it.
Do you suspect he fixed the races or he fixed the betting somehow? He says he's no hacker. Of course he'd say that if he was a hacker.
They say he got his bets in before the first post time. He picked a single horse in the first four and "all" in the last two.
They say he also played "all" in the first two, and single horses in each of the last 4. None of those tickets (like $400 worth) cashed in, however.
Now, I won't be surprised if it turns out something was crooked, but I think the burden of proof is on the track.
I read he's from Baltimore. I'll start looking for the guy with the new mercedes.
So, it does smell funny, but so far they haven't found anything amiss.
Seems the accused is a Self Employed comp. programmer,no surprize. Seems he only wanted a 2$ ticket and tried to cancel his12$ one ,a 1M+ differance ,funny all my phone bets that size are always confirmed and verifided at time of bet. hope ya all had as well of a b.c. day as this lucky man !:shrug: off to oak tree for today,anyone else today ?
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This has nothing to do with fixed races; its all about a hacker. And there is evidence. This is from today's Chicago Sun Times:
"Citing information provided by 'mutuel managers at prominent tracks', the Daily Racing Form reported "the information regarding the amounts of Pick 6 wagers is transmitted the instant a wager is placed, but the actual structure of the bet, including the specific horses that are being used, is not transmitted until AFTER the 4th race is run in the Pick 6 sequence."
"That relevation is of greatest significance because the winning bettor, Derrick Davis, 29, of Baltimore, singled the first four winners while combining all the runners in the final 2 legs."
After hitting such a big score, you'd think the winning bettor would like to tell the story of how he hit the big score. Not Davis, who has gone in hiding and has refused to talk to anyone. Also, anyone who could truly ferret out a longshot like Domedriver couldn't narrow the Turf to 2, 3 or at most 4 horses?? Also, anybody who plays the Pick 6 knows you don't play the same combinations multiple times; If you're the only winner with a $2 ticket, you get the same out if you're the only winner w/a $12 ticket.
I heard on one other board he bought one single solitary losing ticket, apparently thinking this would "throw off" anyone who suspected foul play. If he really wanted to throw anyone off, he should've bought far more tickets. Supposedly there is a report he may have snagged two separate Pick 6s at Saratoga which many felt were unhittable. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck.....
This has nothing to do with fixed races; its all about a hacker. And there is evidence. This is from today's Chicago Sun Times:
"Citing information provided by 'mutuel managers at prominent tracks', the Daily Racing Form reported "the information regarding the amounts of Pick 6 wagers is transmitted the instant a wager is placed, but the actual structure of the bet, including the specific horses that are being used, is not transmitted until AFTER the 4th race is run in the Pick 6 sequence."
"That relevation is of greatest significance because the winning bettor, Derrick Davis, 29, of Baltimore, singled the first four winners while combining all the runners in the final 2 legs."
After hitting such a big score, you'd think the winning bettor would like to tell the story of how he hit the big score. Not Davis, who has gone in hiding and has refused to talk to anyone. Also, anyone who could truly ferret out a longshot like Domedriver couldn't narrow the Turf to 2, 3 or at most 4 horses?? Also, anybody who plays the Pick 6 knows you don't play the same combinations multiple times; If you're the only winner with a $2 ticket, you get the same out if you're the only winner w/a $12 ticket.
I heard on one other board he bought one single solitary losing ticket, apparently thinking this would "throw off" anyone who suspected foul play. If he really wanted to throw anyone off, he should've bought far more tickets. Supposedly there is a report he may have snagged two separate Pick 6s at Saratoga which many felt were unhittable. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck.....
Wonder if this catskill o.t.b is that same one that had that late 300,000 win bet at S.A. last year,dont recall maybe ferdville can help me out with this?Kind of reminds me of those stories i've read about the eary 1900's with the delay over the wire.Maybe there is to much technology,this game is tough enough without having to deal with this!
Dogfish - same thought went through my mind, but can't remember, but will check it out. Biggest red flag to me is that the guy claims he only wanted to bet $12.00 When the tab came up $1152.00, he just let it go at that. Can't imagine that ever happening. Nobody that goes in expecting to bet $12 ponies up another $1140 instead of canceling. Sounds exremely fishy to me. I would assume that the guy got paid a nice sum in consolations also, since he had alot of losers in the wheeled races.
Great stuff. And now this Davis guy is denying any involvement with the programmer. Like we're supposed to believe that the programmer rigged the software out of the goodness of his own heart to help to unknown soul make a major score? I think its only a matter of time until they tie a link between Davis and the programmer.
How could anyone who has even a hint of knowing the horse racing game even think that this pick six wasnt rigged by this guy.It would be impossible for any logical person to place that kind of wager.its embaarrassing that anyone here would post saying that this was a legit wager or miracle wager.there was only one immaculate conception.this is a dark day for bettors and raises many future concerns for serious bettors.who knows if this happenned in the past other times. it probably did i would guess.what a bunch of crap.bet your money and then not even get a fair chance to win.id rather bet the old crooked harness races at monticello and yonkers at least you know when youre getting screwed.
Just heard that the two guys had attended the same college. This is going to create some real hard feelings. They claim that after this bet is officially denied, payoffs will be made to those who had 5 winners. I wonder how in the hell are they going to determine who had 5 winners unless the person still has the ticket in his hand? How many were tossed? If they paid consolation for winners of 5/6, tickets have already been cashed - no way to determine who had what unless bet was placed with phne account or on-line account. This is a big mess!
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They can and should pay those who had five of six for the winning purse after they put back the money from this scam.The 5 of 6 winners had to file an irs report with their winning tickets so they can be contacted fairly easy.if you had 4 out of 6 it looks like your otta luck.:shrug:
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They can and should pay those who had five of six for the winning purse after they put back the money from this scam.The 5 of 6 winners had to file an irs report with their winning tickets so they can be contacted fairly easy.if you had 4 out of 6 it looks like your otta luck.:shrug:
Thanks for the info. I am glad to hear that the 5's had to fill out IRS form. Otherwise, they would be sol. And, as another poster mentioned, how many times has this happened before? I have never heard the conclusions from the Hollywood Park race where somebody in Massachutsetts or Maine, a some lttle outlet, bet a couple hundred thousand on a maiden race. There were many that thought this was a past post job as the off track money figures arrived very late and that play was really the only significant big action on the horse. Now that we see this unfold, same type of past posting action could have happened there.
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How about the guys who sign for other people at the track. They have all the paperwork and will pocket the difference. This is fairly common so you know somebody is going to get screwed.
