I think she is smarter than you and hedge put together Ronnie.
She made valid points and I thought she made him look foolish. He consistently tried to drag her off topic, put words in her mouth, and avoided the topic. I'd say she schooled him
When facts become part of the equation, many conservatives don't stand a chance.
Peace!
Pay for your own fucking college whiny bitch! :0002
You can criticize how the government spends your tax dollars, but she can't? Hypocrite.
If the government paid for my college, yes I'd be a hypocrite. I paid for my college. My kids paid for their college. Why should I pay for her education? Enough entitlements BS!
If the government paid for my college, yes I'd be a hypocrite. I paid for my college. My kids paid for their college. Why should I pay for her education? Enough entitlements BS!
x39:Does the g'mint pay for the roads you drive on, the police and fire departments that protect you, the military that keeps you safe, the FDA that keeps your drugs safe and effective, the USDA that keeps your food safe and healthful, the FAA that insures your airplanes are safe....and on and on....
Fat Daddy,See brother, I disagree. I know you and I disagree on politics, and I do dig you man, but this surprised me a bit. To me it seems that most Republicans defer to past practices and always want to do things the old way, when not all those policies worked. I think corporations paying little to no tax is an entitlement. Anti-trust exemptions are am entitlement. Subsidiaries provided to banks, and insurance companies are entitlements. Regardless of what my opinion is, what my question to you is multi- faceted.
At present republican ideology does not want to raise minimum wage. Eliminate; health care reform, freedom of choice on abortion, welfare or temporary assistance, food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, Affirmative Action, FEMA, and especially liberals or the two party system. Republicans seek to restrict immigration, same sex marriage, freedom of choice as it relates to religious ideology (i.e. saying prayers in school, keeping the word God in pledges, etc...). Cut taxes to corporations and the wealthy. Increase spending on military while reducing spending on education. Refuses any form of gun control. Restrict voter eligibility, eliminate subsidies to poorer communities, among other things.
I'm sure you may want to argue the accuracy of some of those I'm hoping to stay specific.
Our nation has become powerful in many ways, much of that with industry, technology, and open trade.
How do you expect us to continue on the path of being a global power if you eliminate the chances of the majority of our youth to provide for themselves? I'm trying to understand how you think in a way I guess. If you eliminate any path for our less fortunate or even middle class youth to education or good paying trades, while also forcing some to have unwanted children that they already can't provide for, while also not providing any avenue of support for those now born to poverty, aren't you basically magnifying a problem you complain about as a drag on our nation now? I mean how do you expect us to succeed if you're creating a system that relies on only our wealthiest to provide the brains of our future? I just don't get it. If you can't get a good enough job to pay for school, then what are your options? You can't get assistance, other than a school loan, which only makes the same banks that are already extracting money from our economy even richer. You can't get a job because you come from no money and can't afford a car so you're forced to find one in your neighborhood, at a place that won't hire you in the first place because you're from the neighborhood.
I mean, think of all the possible genius innovation you may be eliminating any chance to discover? Also, won't limiting those less fortunate create a two class system over time? I'm serious, how do you propose to solve these issues? Why would you want to always refer to doing it the way we used to when those policies have proven to be ineffective over time? Many of the programs Republicans detest, like affirmative action, have shown remarkable results, yet others that Republicans love, like trickle down economics, have failed miserably and I just don't get it.
If the funds needed to provide a free education can be realized through eliminating corporate tax loopholes or eliminating some special interest group spending why would you not see that as great thing for the nation?
I know that some think that liberals such as I, or so I'm told, just want everything to be free. I don't think that at all. Nothing is free. I just think republican ideology in of itself is hypocritical. I'll never understand how so many can cite the constitution when it serves their cause and ignore it when it doesn't. I.e. gun rights, but restrict religious or civil freedoms.
How would you propose to fix the very real problem of the rich getting richer while all else suffer?
And just so you know, I asked you specifically because I respect you and believe the feeling is mutual. I'm not looking for an argument brother. I'm pretty sure you know that and I'm looking forward to your answer.
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Right on man. Have a kick ass afternoon and evening brotherFat Daddy,
I started to try and answer each of your points, but there are too many for me to answer right now.
My original response to this post was based on several things. I busted my hump to pay for my education, nothing was given to me. My kids paid for most of theirs. When something is given or free, it usually has less value than something earned.
I will address some of your other points latter.
Peace Brutha!
If the government paid for my college, yes I'd be a hypocrite. I paid for my college. My kids paid for their college. Why should I pay for her education? Enough entitlements BS!
I paid for my college too. Doesn't have anything to do with her point. Her point is that as a tax payer, she thinks it is crazy how much money gets distributed to the military (I totally agree, BTW). A fraction of that money could be used for some GREAT causes.....like education.
A fraction of that money could be used for some GREAT causes.....like education.
I paid for my college too. Doesn't have anything to do with her point. Her point is that as a tax payer, she thinks it is crazy how much money gets distributed to the military (I totally agree, BTW). A fraction of that money could be used for some GREAT causes.....like education.
Or paying down the national debt:shrug:opcorn2
Sure, why not. The out of control military spending is one of the causes, no?
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