France, the best health care?

[Spytheweb]

Does France have the world's best health care system? take a look at what goes on there. Liability insurance for doctors is 1 10th of what US doctors pay and a doctors med school is free.

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[smurphy]

This will not go over well with the resident anti-French crowd

 

[kosar]

This will not go over well with the resident anti-French crowd

Mornin' smurph. Just rolling in?

 

[Trench]

National Healthcare... everyone's covererd... per capita costs half what ours are... out of pocket expenses a fraction of ours... they don't have to worry about insurance companies dropping their coverage...

When will them damn Europeans learn that greed is good, even if it kills you???

 

[djv]

Per Dolllar spent we are around 10th. Even Brazil, Norway & Sweaden to name a few that are rated higher then us.

 

[StevieD]

Our problem, is greed. Everyone involved is charging too much. No controls on them. Yes, the uninsured and the illegals are not helping but we are already paying for their care anyway. Again, Obama is barking up the wrong tree.

 

[smurphy]

Mornin' smurph. Just rolling in?

Yeah, no additional drama this time though.

 

[gardenweasel]

they can`t even afford f-cking air conditioning or even fans for their seniors...:lol: ...

http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=5810

it`s sooo sad when younger americans have no clue how lucky....extremely lucky they are to live in america....


you guys are insane...being led around by the nose by this diaper-ass that can`t even suppport his own family...

 

[Spytheweb]

they can`t even afford f-cking air conditioning or even fans for their seniors...:lol: ...

http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=5810

it`s sooo sad when younger americans have no clue how lucky....extremely lucky they are to live in america....


you guys are insane...being led around by the nose by this diaper-ass that can`t even suppport his own family...

They're lucky until they die.

100,000 people die in America every year because of lack of needed medial care.

The most credible estimate of the number of people In the United States who have died because of lack of medical care was provided by a study carried out by Professors David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler (New England Journal of Medicine 336, no. 11 [1997]). They concluded that almost 100,000 people died in the United States each year because of lack of needed care--three times the number of people who died of AIDs. It is important to note here that while the media express concern about AIDs, they remain almost silent on the topic of deaths due to lack of medical care. Any decent person should be outraged by this situation. How can we call the United States a civilized nation when it denies the basic human fight of access to medical care in time of need? No other major capitalist country faces such a horrendous situation.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_4_55/ai_108196812/

 

[Tcas]

 

[Spytheweb]

I'll be glad when this bill goes through. This will be one of the biggest bills in the past century. This is American history being made and i hope the republicans don't vote for it and are not a part of it. Anti-American, pro dollar republicans who don't want Americans to get the same health care they and their families enjoy now.

 

[gardenweasel]

They're lucky until they die.

100,000 people die in America every year because of lack of needed medial care.

The most credible estimate of the number of people In the United States who have died because of lack of medical care was provided by a study carried out by Professors David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler (New England Journal of Medicine 336, no. 11 [1997]). They concluded that almost 100,000 people died in the United States each year because of lack of needed care--three times the number of people who died of AIDs. It is important to note here that while the media express concern about AIDs, they remain almost silent on the topic of deaths due to lack of medical care. Any decent person should be outraged by this situation. How can we call the United States a civilized nation when it denies the basic human fight of access to medical care in time of need? No other major capitalist country faces such a horrendous situation.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_4_55/ai_108196812/

vincente navarre writing for "bnet"...

"We are just celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of the end of the Second World War, the only popular war - and the only antifascist war - that the United States has ever fought. "



spy and navarre...two peas in an america-hating pod...

as they say in your native tongue,"sim sala bim bamba sala do saladim !!!!"..

translation/"you are nothing more than a skidmark in the underwear of the well-meaning liberals on this board"...

 

[gardenweasel]

I'll be glad when this bill goes through. This will be one of the biggest bills in the past century. This is American history being made and i hope the republicans don't vote for it and are not a part of it. Anti-American, pro dollar republicans who don't want Americans to get the same health care they and their families enjoy now.

is congress getting the same "great plan" that the rest of us are getting?....no you say?...why do you think that is?....lol


take your time..

/maybe you should consider moving to venezuela instead of recreating it here...

 

[EXTRAPOLATER]

Australia

 

[Spytheweb]

is congress getting the same "great plan" that the rest of us are getting?....no you say?...why do you think that is?....lol


take your time..

/maybe you should consider moving to venezuela instead of recreating it here...

Any plan is better than the one America has now. You got to start somewhere, and build on it.

Harry S. Truman tried 64 years ago. Look at the reasons against it, sounds like today.

Harry S. Truman's health proposals finally came to Congress in the form of a Social Security expansion bill, co-sponsored in Congress by Democratic senators Robert Wagner (N.Y.) and James Murray (Mont.), along with Representative John Dingell (D.-Mich). For this reason, the bill was known popularly as the W-M-D bill. The American Medical Association (AMA) launched a spirited attack against the bill, capitalizing on fears of Communism in the public mind. The AMA characterized the bill as "socalized medicine", and in a forerunner to the rhetoric of the McCarthy era, called Truman White House staffers "followers of the Moscow party line".* Organized labor, the main public advocate of the bill, had lost much of it's goodwill from the American people in a series of unpopular strikes. Following the outbreak of the Korean War, President Truman was finally forced to abandon the W-M-D Bill. Although Harry S. Truman was not able to create the health program he desired, he was sucessful in publicizing the issue of health care in America. During his Presidency, the not-for-profit health insurance fund Blue Shield-Blue Cross grew from 28 million policies to over 61 million.** When on July 30, 1965, President Lyndon B.Johnson signed Medicare into law at the Harry S. Truman library, he said that it "all started really with the man from Independence".
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/anniversaries/healthprogram.htm

 

[ferdville]

What programs has the federal government produced that have panned out? How's Social Security doing? How about the Veteran's Administration? Education - particulary GW's worst contribution (hard to believe) No Child Left Behind? How'd they do with Katrina? What about the homeless and the hungry? Controlling welfare fraud? The SEC? Transportation? The "War" on drugs? I could go on and on and on. Why in the world would anybody think that the government could in any possible way improve health care? It is preposterous. It goes far beyond wishful thinking.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Might add the post office too--

Maybe Spy and others could give us an example how our health care has failed them--it appears to me all the same people are wanting something at someones else expense--must be pre requisite for Da Base.

Been self employed for past 25 years and with exception of last few (covered under wifes group) paid premium myself.

Case history--Had 2,500 dedeuctible plan with $3,500 stop loss --cost prob averaged about $150 a month over entire span. A fair price I figured to serve my purpose--transfer risk of any huge claim over 3,500 to ins co.

Been on wifes group plan past 3 years--Plan cost ) for her and bout $80 a month for me.

Under either plan I can go to my doc any time I choose.

Sure this is common for most average working class people--

Exactly what is it you and Da Base hate about above scenerio -Spy?

 

[marine]

Per Dolllar spent we are around 10th. Even Brazil, Norway & Sweaden to name a few that are rated higher then us.

Sweden and Norway also have federal income tax that go into the 50% bracket.

 

[UGA12]

What programs has the federal government produced that have panned out? How's Social Security doing? How about the Veteran's Administration? Education - particulary GW's worst contribution (hard to believe) No Child Left Behind? How'd they do with Katrina? What about the homeless and the hungry? Controlling welfare fraud? The SEC? Transportation? The "War" on drugs? I could go on and on and on. Why in the world would anybody think that the government could in any possible way improve health care? It is preposterous. It goes far beyond wishful thinking.

Bingo

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[Trench]

What programs has the federal government produced that have panned out? How's Social Security doing? How about the Veteran's Administration? Education - particulary GW's worst contribution (hard to believe) No Child Left Behind? How'd they do with Katrina? What about the homeless and the hungry? Controlling welfare fraud? The SEC? Transportation? The "War" on drugs? I could go on and on and on. Why in the world would anybody think that the government could in any possible way improve health care? It is preposterous. It goes far beyond wishful thinking.

OK, I'll take Obama's position:

So the answer is to continue to do nothing while 14,000 Americans loose their health insurance every day? And insurance companies continue to raise premiums while making record profits, during a recession?

You guys don't offer any alternatives to the cost (to our economy) of doing nothing. :shrug: