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--The "responsible" need not apply :)

Gov. Deval Patrick?s free wheels for welfare recipients program is revving up despite the stalled economy, as the keys to donated cars loaded with state-funded insurance, repairs and even AAA membership are handed out to get them to work.
But the program - fueled by a funding boost despite the state?s fiscal crash - allows those who end up back on welfare to keep the cars anyway.
?It?s mind-boggling. You?ve got people out there saying, ?I just lost my job. Hey, can I get a free car, too?? ? said House Minority Leader Brad Jones (R-North Reading).
 

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same rules do not apply to LIBERALS that the rest of have to follow
 

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If you posted a bit more of that article you would have seen that Mass. gives away a whopping 65 cars per year through this program and the amount not paid on welfare from the 80% that don't go back on it basically pays for the program. And of course the cars themselves are donated through charities.

But for some reason a Kentuckian and Texan are outraged by this overall succesful program in Massachusetts.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people?
 

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- I just hate buying Da Bases food--paying their mortgage--welfare payments-insurance and now appears their vehicles.

--can't share your :00hour "hope/change has arrived attitude--sorry :)
 

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same rules do not apply to LIBERALS that the rest of have to follow

Hedgey, you really are a buffoon.

If you'd payed attention to the "Al Franken" thread that YOU started, you'd have learned from Ryson that the 5% of the population that listens to right-wing radio "pay all the fucking bills in this country". So if you'd just stop listening to that crap, you wouldn't have to pay any bills either!!!
 

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- I just hate buying Da Bases food--paying their mortgage--welfare payments-insurance and now appears their vehicles.

--can't share your :00hour "hope/change has arrived attitude--sorry :)

They have to show proof that the vehicle will give them access to their work. 80% of them never go back on welfare. The program is payed for through charities and the savings of decreasing the number of people on welfare.

Seems to me that this is a pretty good example of the "hand up" instead of "hand out" policy that you would like to see.

You are so blinded by your blanket disapproval of EVERYTHING that you can't even recognize something that actually fits into the way you claim to think. This is a great example of your unyielding and illogical political partisanship.
 

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They have to show proof that the vehicle will give them access to their work. 80% of them never go back on welfare. The program is payed for through charities and the savings of decreasing the number of people on welfare.
DTB exposed again.
 

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DTB exposed again.

Exposed for exposing how you and your base live off backs of responsible people.

You believe 80% return to work because Smurph tells you that???

--as you believed Gumby when he told you Washington wouldn't be politics as usual?

No more earmarks-- see below
no lobbyist in cabinet (6)
Drain the swamp--
Out of Iraq in 6 months
Close Gitmo immediately
Do away with phone taps
Do away with rendition

Maybe you give us a list of things he followed through on--other than transferring the wealth?

Lets see we got Geithner running show in cabinet--Rangel (Ways and Means) in congress-
Both exposed as tax cheats.

--and what about Gumby's latest addition to HUD--must have met him in his ACORN connections--another steller member of Da Base

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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 110%; TEXT-ALIGN: center" colSpan=2><HR>President Obama's nominee for the No. 2 position at the Department of Housing and Urban Development was found to have violated open records laws during his time as a Washington state county executive.
The Washington Times reports the Washington State Supreme Court said actions by Ronald Sims and his office were so "egregious" that it scrapped a lower court's $123,000 fine ? the largest ever in a public records case ? and recommended an increase to as much as $825,000 dollars.
Sims' office withheld documents detailing cheaper alternatives for Seattle's professional football stadium, which was built in 2002.
But the president nominated Sims anyway, just three weeks after the ruling. A Senate committee sent Sims' nomination to the full Senate last week without asking him a single question.
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--on earmarks--instead of listing them all lets just take Obies chief member from Illinois

WASHINGTON--Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.), the number three Democrat in the House, released his fiscal year 2009 earmark requests on Monday.


□ Academy for Urban School Leadership - Chicago Academy and Chicago Academy High School, $1,075,200
□ Academy for Urban School Leadership - Chicago Academy and Chicago Academy High School - Campus Enhancement Project, $300,000
□ Adler Planetarium Sky Theater, $1,000,000
□ Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center, $750,000
□ Center on Halsted, $475,000
□ Chicago Architecture Foundation, $1,000,000
□ Chicago Department of Environment Calumet Environmental Center, $1,700,000
□ Children?s Memorial Hospital Critical Injury Sciences Initiative, $4,800,000
□ Chicago Park District Theater on the Lake, $1,000,000
□ Chicago Public Schools? Transitions Project, $5,000,000
□ Chicago Transit Authority Brown Line, $30,474,404
□ Columbia College Chicago Construct Project, $2,000,000
□ The Field Museum Roof Conservation Project, $1,500,000
□ Great Lakes States Invasive Species Project, $2,000,000
□ Illinois Institute for Technology (IIT) Energy and Sustainability Institute, $1,000,000
□ Illinois Community College Sustainability Institute Network, $1,850,000
□ Illinois River Nutrient Farming Pilot Project, $2,800,000
□ John G. Shedd Aquarium Center for Great Lakes, $1,000,000
□ Kohl Children's Museum's Early Childhood Connections Prevention Program, $500,000
□ Kohl Children's Museum of Greater Chicago Early Childhood Residents Program, $500,000
□ METRA Station in Bellwood/Melrose Park, $3,000,000
□ METRA UP-NW Line, $25,000,000
□ Milwaukee Avenue Rehabilitation, $8,000,000
□ Navistar International Corporation Next Generation Diesel Engine for Ground Vehicles, $5,000,000
□ North Lake Shore Drive Rehabilitation, $5,000,000
□ Northwestern Memorial Hospital, $1,500,000
□ Northwestern University Great Lakes Restoration, $2,000,000
□ Old Town School of Folk Music, $500,000
□ Our Lady of the Resurrection Medical Center, $135,000
□ Shedd Aquarium Great Lakes Conservation Program, $1,000,000
□ Uhlich Children?s Advantage Network?s (UCAN) Alumni Services Department, $350,000
□ Uhlich Children's Advantage Network (UCAN), $300,000
□ Uhlich Children's Advantage Network (UCAN) Violence Prevention Program, $300,000
□ Village of Franklin Park Franklin Avenue Rehabilitation, $1,000,000
□ Women in Need Growing Stronger (WINGS), $250,000
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So heres a few "exposures" for you to digest--should keep you busy for a while. :)
 

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You believe 80% return to work because Smurph tells you that???

. :)

No, I believe 80% return to work because that is what the article says. It also says they reduce the amount of aid the family gets by $6,000.


Gov. Deval Patrick?s free wheels for welfare recipients program is revving up despite the stalled economy, as the keys to donated cars loaded with state-funded insurance, repairs and even AAA membership are handed out to get them to work.

But the program - fueled by a funding boost despite the state?s fiscal crash - allows those who end up back on welfare to keep the cars anyway.

?It?s mind-boggling. You?ve got people out there saying, ?I just lost my job. Hey, can I get a free car, too?? ? said House Minority Leader Brad Jones (R-North Reading).

The Patrick administration decided last month to funnel an additional $30,000 to the nearly $400,000 annual car ownership program.

The program, which is provided by the State Department of Transitional Assistance, gives out about 65 cars a year, said DTA Commissioner Julia Kehoe.

The state pays for the car?s insurance, inspection, excise tax, title, registration, repairs and a AAA membership for one year at a total cost of roughly $6,000 per car.

The program, which started in 2006, distributes cars donated by non-profit charities such as Good News Garage, a Lutheran charity, which also does the repair work on the car and bills the state.

Kehoe defended the program, saying the state breaks even by cutting welfare payments to the family - about $6,000 a year
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?If you look at the overall picture, this helps make sure people aren?t staying on cash assistance. It?s a relatively short payment for a long-term benefit,? Kehoe said.

But Kehoe admitted about 20 percent of those who received a car ended up back on welfare, and while they lose the insurance and other benefits, they don?t have to return the car.

?Given the state?s fiscal condition, paying for AAA and auto inspection costs is outrageous,? said Senate Minority Leader Richard Tisei (R-Wakefield). ?There are so many families out there trying to deal with layoffs and pay cuts. You have to wonder what the state?s priorities are at this point.?

Applicants for cars must have a job or prove they could get one if they had the car in order to qualify. Once they have the wheels, they must send DTA their pay stubs to prove they are employed.

To get the cars, they must be unable to reach work by public transportation and have a clean driving record. The program is only available to families on welfare with children.

Kehoe said the bulk of cars go to places with less public transportation, such as Fitchburg, New Bedford and Lowell.

?I can?t believe there are no restrictions on how they use the car,? Jones said. ?I just don?t see this as a core function of government.?

Not your father?s welfare handouts:
+ PDF: Wheels for welfare application process
+ Ex-pol pleads not guilty to 23 corruption charges
+ Everett politician accused of groping stylist
+ Gov aims to ease jail time for drug offenders
+ Howie Carr: This is not your father?s welfare state
hchabot@bostonherald.com
 

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Exposed for exposing how you and your base live off backs of responsible people.
mr.%20burns.jpg

"So... Da Base thinks they've exposed me, do they? Well then,
I'll just keep making stuff up and make them prove I'm a pedantic,
pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, and a
worthless steaming pile of cow dung... figuratively speaking."
 

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:mj07: :mj07: :142smilie :142smilie Typical pathetic deflection from you. Your "free car" ire was proven to be about as valid as that scam link you thought you were exposing, so you shift to completely different unrelated crap. ....You stay golden, Pony Boy.
 

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Ok Stevie since Kehoe defended the plan and others did not you say he was correct.

Lets skip who said yes and who said no and get to simple issue of fact.

The welfare people (Da Base) are getting free cars at the tax payors expense--any rebuttal?
 

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Do you really believe this? So only liberals signed up for these cars? :142smilie

Believe what I said was --
"I just hate buying Da Bases food--paying their mortgage--welfare payments-insurance and now appears their vehicles."

if you inferred it was liberals--I assume you can't distinqiush between the 2.

For future reference "Da Base" is your voting block you either are part of or intentify with--those that voting overwhemingly for his hope/change- redistribution of wealth.

per cnn election results-again

Blacks-95%
hispanics-65%
income under $15,000-75%
no high school-63%
liberals-89%

--youv'e always been a very good handicapper TU--so don't think you'll have hard time with the #'s --your only other option is to believe O when he tells you--

"Mainstream" America made their decision--"I Won-I'm Gumby damit" :)

on added note he fully intends to make his "mainstream" America larger with his sancuary cities (one of his spending cuts is cuting off funding to states to incarcerate illegals) in case you didn't know--
--and fully expect them in next 2 years (while they have overwhelming majority) to get their felon voting rights passed this time.

--any thoughts my friend
 

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THIS IS WELFARE ALSO... no ???

THIS IS WELFARE ALSO... no ???

--The "responsible" need not apply :)

Gov. Deval Patrick?s free wheels for welfare recipients program is revving up despite the stalled economy, as the keys to donated cars loaded with state-funded insurance, repairs and even AAA membership are handed out to get them to work.
But the program - fueled by a funding boost despite the state?s fiscal crash - allows those who end up back on welfare to keep the cars anyway.
?It?s mind-boggling. You?ve got people out there saying, ?I just lost my job. Hey, can I get a free car, too?? ? said House Minority Leader Brad Jones (R-North Reading).

HOW COME THE TEAR SHEDDERS DON'T CRY ABOUT THIS : http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/6407981.html... same thing.. some people have a problem with giveaways and crime that goes unpunished, accept if it's for the very wealthy... Everyone has a hand in the cookie jar.... Why just look at one aspect of it ???? Someone should tell Bradley Jones to put a stop to all the welfare he provides for his base/ the people that have bought and paid for his existence in washington.... I love the fake outrage !!!!`~`PLEASE........ This guy should be bitch slapped.... HINT TO THIS WANNABE LEADER : go after the billions, not some stupid program that will never see the light of day.... WHERE DO THEY FIND THESE PEOPLE ? & THEIR BUTT BOYS ..... this article is just food for idiots .........
 
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--The "responsible" need not apply :)

Gov. Deval Patrick?s free wheels for welfare recipients program is revving up despite the stalled economy, as the keys to donated cars loaded with state-funded insurance, repairs and even AAA membership are handed out to get them to work.
But the program - fueled by a funding boost despite the state?s fiscal crash - allows those who end up back on welfare to keep the cars anyway.
?It?s mind-boggling. You?ve got people out there saying, ?I just lost my job. Hey, can I get a free car, too?? ? said House Minority Leader Brad Jones (R-North Reading).

I just helped blow a 12 trillion dollar hole in the American economy... I don't have to worry, my company is part of the welfare/bailout... I still get my bonus/handout...:shrug: ... There are welfare programs, & then, there are welfare programs... What base has the funds to lobby for their programs ? We don't want to get into lobby groups, do we ?
 
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Ok Stevie since Kehoe defended the plan and others did not you say he was correct.

Lets skip who said yes and who said no and get to simple issue of fact.

The welfare people (Da Base) are getting free cars at the tax payors expense--any rebuttal?

Grabbed from the article. "Applicants for cars must have a job or prove they could get one if they had the car in order to qualify. Once they have the wheels, they must send DTA their pay stubs to prove they are employed"

Plus it costs the State $6.000 per car and they reduce the welfare payments by $6,000 so it's a wash. I don't see what your problem is. The program has an 80% success rate and it doesnt cost the state anything. Please explain your problem with this program.:shrug:
 

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- I just hate buying Da Bases food--paying their mortgage--welfare payments-insurance and now appears their vehicles.

--can't share your :00hour "hope/change has arrived attitude--sorry :)

YOU DON'T PAY FOR SHIT... WIPE YOUR NOSE & DO WHAT MOST OF MIDDLE HARD WORKING AMERICA DOES. WHAT DID YOU PAY FOR THE LAST 8 YRS ? NOTHINGS CHANGED . YOU SMART GUYS CRY ABOUT WHAT MAY HAPPEN. YOU SHOULD CRY ABOUT WHAT JUST HAPPENED ! DO YOU KNOW WHAT JUST HAPPENED ? HARD WORKING MIDDLE AMERICA WAS ROBBED... WE JUST EXPERIENCED THE BIGGEST TRANSFER OF WEALTH IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA ! THIS ALL HAPPENED ON THE WATCH OF (r) bush/cheney... THIS IS FACT AND CANNOT BE DISPUTED.... CAN IT ?????????????????????????
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?????????????????????????????????? GUYS LIKE YOU, WERE BELIEVING THE #'S IN NOVEMBER .... YOU PEOPLE HAVE Z E R O C R E D I B I L I T Y !
 
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