Freebies harder to come at many casinos

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With casinos across the country taking in less money because of the recession, many are also handing out less freebies to gamblers.

In Atlantic City, the nation's second-largest gambling market, casinos made a 12.4 percent cut in March on the free hotel rooms, meals and show tickets they handed out to keep gamblers coming back.

The situation is much the same in other casino markets, including Las Vegas and the Midwest, where declining revenues forced casinos to look even more closely at how they dole out precious cash.

"We're much more cautious with our money," said Rob Stillwell, a spokesman for Boyd Gaming, which owns casinos in Las Vegas and Atlantic City and in Midwestern and Southern states. "You've got to be more strategic in targeting your customers."


Shelton Brown and his wife Alberta have been coming to Atlantic City from Baltimore since the first casino opened here 31 years ago.

"We can see a drastic change," he said. "It used to be your bus would pull in, they'd hand you $25 and a coupon for a free meal. They're cutting that out now."

Alberta Brown said it's also harder to get a free drink inside the casinos.

"It used to be you couldn't turn around without someone being right there offering you something," she said. "They came looking for you. Now you have to go looking for them."

For the first quarter of the year, Atlantic City's 11 casinos had $339.6 million in complimentary expenses, down 9.2 percent from the first quarter a year ago. Revenues at Atlantic City's casinos fell 7.6 percent last year, and so far this year, are down 16.2 percent.

Revenues at Nevada casinos were down 18.1 percent in February, and 14.6 in January.

Interviews with casino executives and analysts show that most major gambling markets are reducing their comp spending.

"You're seeing comps coming down because the market is just not allowing (casinos) to be as generous as they once were," said Steve Norton, a gambling industry veteran who runs a Missouri casino management company. "It's just not as viable to do that now.

"A lot of people are out of work," he said. "They have more time to spend in the casinos; they just don't have money to spend in them."

Resorts Atlantic City, where Norton was once vice president, is fighting off a foreclosure threat by its lender. Its co-owner, Nicholas Ribis, told New Jersey casino regulators earlier this year that Resorts had been giving away "too much food, too much drink, too much everything."

In March, Resorts gave away $6.3 million worth of comps, mostly in rooms and gambling credits to players. In March 2008, the total was over $9 million.

George Maloof, owner of the Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas, said his casino's comp expenses have remained relatively flat as it deals with the downturn in Sin City. He said costs can go up as casinos try to gain new players through promotions, but operators can quickly tell if their offers work in luring guests to gamble.

When costs go down, Maloof said, it means casinos are focusing on giving away comps to gamblers whose play make the freebies worthwhile to the casino.

"It's usually because you have somebody who gave a comp who didn't deserve it," Maloof said. "It's probably a segment of your business that isn't playing to those comps."

David Schwartz, director of the Center for Gaming Research at the University of Nevada, said freebies typically go in cycles as casinos try to one-up each other to attract players, then pull back when their giveaways no longer become worthwhile. He said anecdotal evidence suggests comps have gone down in Las Vegas.

Some casinos made a conscious choice to cut back on comps when business worsened. The three Atlantic City casinos owned by Trump Entertainment Resorts have been telling investors for years that they are cutting back comps to try to whittle down massive debt that was holding the company back. Earlier this year, the company filed for bankruptcy.
 

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I don't like the huge casino comapnies. They are stingy with their games and cheap with their freebies.

The Palms keeps sending me great free room offers because they are smart enough to know that it's better to have someone there than leave the room empty. I think they have a lot more flexibility because they are smaller than the MGM/Wynn/Station/Circus mega-operators.

I think it would be good if one of these companies breaks up and more independent operators take over. Competition would improve and Vegas could become good for gamblers again.
 

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I don't blame them for cutting back. These casinos would start looking even more like bus stations than they do now.

Every person in the city who has been laid off would be lining up for a free lunch voucher.

Who needs to be tripping over these bums?
 

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I don't blame them for cutting back. These casinos would start looking even more like bus stations than they do now.

Every person in the city who has been laid off would be lining up for a free lunch voucher.

Who needs to be tripping over these bums?
you must produce proof of residence that's more than 100 miles away or some shit.

run it like the old days like smurph said. those guys knew how to run a casino. these corps damn near ruined the place.
 

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Actually, Jack, they DID ruin the place. Las Vegas is not about gambling any more. Gambling accounts for less than 50% of the revenue of the casinos now.

They make their money on the fancy shows....restaurants.....shops.....clubs....etc.


I think they need to realize that they need to get back to square one, just like you are implying:

Make the gamblers the main focus again, and the business will be booming in no time.
 

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NO NEED TO GIVE AWAY THE HOUSE GAMBLERS ARE GOING TO GAMBLE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHERE.
 

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it used to be more personal. and for the people who did gamble, they took care of you. and the ones that gambled and didn't get taken care of, just didn't know how.

in the 80's up to the mid 90's they even reimbursed me for the air. i had a casino host that everything ran through and he approved or didn't approve.

now they have those stupid comp cards and they don't budge off what the fukin card says.

all they want now are super high rollers on the tables or the slot crowd.

they ruined it.
 

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btw, i don't really care :SIB
 

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it used to be more personal. and for the people who did gamble, they took care of you. and the ones that gambled and didn't get taken care of, just didn't know how.

in the 80's up to the mid 90's they even reimbursed me for the air. i had a casino host that everything ran through and he approved or didn't approve.

now they have those stupid comp cards and they don't budge off what the fukin card says.

all they want now are super high rollers on the tables or the slot crowd.

they ruined it.


Yep when we were at the Nugget they made me sign up for one of those stupid cards for a comp at the Grotto.

Back in the day my host even sent my wife & I christmas presents. :shrug:
& yea everything was comped back then.

For me I like it downtown the strip sucks anymore :sadwave:
 

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Yep when we were at the Nugget they made me sign up for one of those stupid cards for a comp at the Grotto.

Back in the day my host even sent my wife & I christmas presents. :shrug:
& yea everything was comped back then.

For me I like it downtown the strip sucks anymore :sadwave:

the crap started with the mirage and even before bellagio was built.

one night i won 5 figures at the old aladdin and took my money over to mirage to try and really run it up and played about 8 hours of at least $300 per hand. they wouldn't even comp siegfried and roy. wtf?

aladdin gave me suites, gourmet all drinks in the house, everything. :shrug:

i'll never forget i went to the bar and ordered a sambuca. he poured a shot into a big old brandy snifter. prob 20 ounces. i said "what's this? fill it up" :shrug:

he did :142smilie

all comped.
 
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