From Tariff Policy Failure to the 50 Year Mortgage

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What's wrong with reeling them back in? It's an admission of how it completely backfired....just like all the economists said it would. The man is a fuck up. Inflation spiked up to 9% in the US because of the government handouts made while the world stopped making stuff, but people had more money to buy up the supply. It was down to 3% in January 2025. Current inflation rate = 3%.

Did you get forced to use Obamacare? I didn't Nobody I know of was. Trump has promised to do something about healthcare for 10 years.....he's done NOTHING. Complete failure.

Correct, no jobs under Trump. Worst jobs record since the Great Depression.

Farmers in crisis: https://www.agweb.com/news/business...cultural-economic-crisis-steps-reverse-course

The Ballroom will have to get tax payer dollars to complete it. You're more gullible than I thought.

Trump is giving money to Ukraine, too. But at least that is helping to fight our Russian enemy. Argentina gets $40B because Trump wants to help get his buddy elected.

Electric prices are spiking around the country: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/30/climate/electricity-prices.html
Gas is the same price it was when Trump took office (actually, it's more expensive here).

He's in the Epstein files. The little bit that has been released proves it.

Grocery prices are up. It's a fact. The retard is taking his tariffs off because of it. Trump said he'd get prices down, but here we are....with HIGHER prices. That's why the Dems won easily in the off year election. The liar lied and his party paid.



You got your opinion i got mine. 'just glad we got a Republican in office and a damn good one at that.

Let me guess you think Obama or Biden could do a better job.
 
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What are you the fukin Moderator police of the Political Forum? Its a free world right. He can stop by every day or once a year right?
Of course he can. And I can call him a self-absorbed bullshit artist.

What are you, the fukin Moderator police of the Political Forum?
 

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Answer my question damnit.
Your response didn't include a question mark, but yes, I think anyone from the Democratic Party could have done a better job.

They wouldn't have instituted tariffs that have raised prices on Americans.
They wouldn't have military personnel deployed to harass Americans on our own home soil.
They wouldn't be shipping billions to Argentina to help someone else get elected.
They wouldn't be using the DOJ to sue and harass journalists and news outlets.
They wouldn't be forcing government workers out of jobs.
They wouldn't have cut the very jobs in government (Inspector Generals) that protect us from fraud, waste, and abuse.
They wouldn't be murdering people in boats off the coast of Venezuela.
They wouldn't be removing alternate energy options during times when energy consumption is spiking (AI infrastructure demand).

Get the picture?
 

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Your response didn't include a question mark, but yes, I think anyone from the Democratic Party could have done a better job.

They wouldn't have instituted tariffs that have raised prices on Americans.
They wouldn't have military personnel deployed to harass Americans on our own home soil.
They wouldn't be shipping billions to Argentina to help someone else get elected.
They wouldn't be using the DOJ to sue and harass journalists and news outlets.
They wouldn't be forcing government workers out of jobs.
They wouldn't have cut the very jobs in government (Inspector Generals) that protect us from fraud, waste, and abuse.
They wouldn't be murdering people in boats off the coast of Venezuela.
They wouldn't be removing alternate energy options during times when energy consumption is spiking (AI infrastructure demand).

Get the picture?

The Dem party would have done a better job? Did you not just go thru 4 years of Biden where inflation hit 9% and grocery prices went up and gas prices went up and he sold all the oil in our oil reserves and he sent trillions to Ukraine and he left the borders open for illegals to cross and he let all the drugs and fentanyl come across the border and he fuked up the Afghanistan withdrawal of our troops. That Democratic Party?

lmao......

Spoken like a true leftist looney tune
 

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The Dem party would have done a better job? Did you not just go thru 4 years of Biden where inflation hit 9% and grocery prices went up and gas prices went up and he sold all the oil in our oil reserves and he sent trillions to Ukraine and he left the borders open for illegals to cross and he let all the drugs and fentanyl come across the border and he fuked up the Afghanistan withdrawal of our troops. That Democratic Party?

lmao......

Spoken like a true leftist looney tune

And somehow......you survived! God bless you!

:smilies3
 

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EXACTLY!

But according to you, we were in the second coming of the Great Depression under Biden, and the best economy ever under Trump.

Wake the fuck up, you toadie.

If you can’t see that under the Biden administration that this country was headed in the shitter then I can’t help you. You are beyond help. Good luck in everyday life faggit you going to need it
 

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Tariffs
After telling us it was the answer to our inflation problem, he's having to reel them back in. WHOOPS. He's still telling us it wasn't the reason grocery prices spiked, but he's just going to peel them back because......who knows. They were the answer to our economic challenges but he's repealing them.....so, I guess you have to be Ageecee to understand the genius behind this. I'm still laughing about "groceries, that old-fashioned word". The guy that never once thought about groceries had to be introduced to the concept, lol. So in touch with you red staters.

50 Year Mortgages
LOL. Trump thinks going from 40 year mortgages (not a thing) to 50 year mortgages will help with the housing affordability crisis. What a fucking idiot. That's not an opinion, it's counting. Do the math. The bankers will make out like bandits, home buyers.....not so much.

ACA Price Increases and Medicaid Cuts
Ageecee said I was exaggerating when I said premiums were about to explode for ACA participants. One of us was right. Feel free to "do your own research".

Rural Hospitals
I just heard the governor of Kentucky talking about the possibility of 35 rural hospitals having to close their doors over the Big Beautiful Bill. In most cases, those will also be the biggest employer in that rural area. So much WINNING! For those that can take their healthcare needs to other open hospitals, I wonder how that will impact the wait times and level of care for the current patients? Then again, if nobody can afford healthcare, it might just take care of itself.

(No) Jobs, (No) Jobs, (No) Jobs!
Trump has been slashing jobs inside the government and his chaotic tariff policies have led to businesses to halt hiring and/or start laying people off. Trump has the worst jobs numbers of any president since Herbert Hoover.....you know, the Great Depression president. So much WINNING!

Farmers Hoping for Welfare Payments to Keep Their Farms
Once again, they voted for the guy that forces them to rely on government handouts to survive. You get what you voted for.

The Ballroom Debacle
He said he wasn't going to touch the main structure, then razed an entire wing. He said it would be privately funded and cost $200M, now it's $350M....if you believe it. I'm sure it's all coming from private money.

$40B to Argentina to Help Their President
He supposedly couldn't help people who depended on funding of government programs, like SNAP, but handing a foreign government $40B, no problem.

Energy Prices
Trump has been talking about how great he's been for gas prices, claiming they are down to $1.99/gallon but they are mostly flat since taking office. Meanwhile, the price of electricity is spiking around the country and the AI infrastructure boom is only going to make it worse. Good thing Capn Dipshit is ending programs for alternative energy that could help ease the pressure. GENIUS!

Epstein File Release Promise
I'm glad the Democrats have helped to make good (partially) on Trump's promise. It's so strange how he no longer seems enthused about releasing them, even though he said he's not in them. I wonder why? Maybe he will just keep (illegally) attacking our own cities/citizens with the military to keep the stupid people distracted.

Grocery Prices and the Off Year Elections
Trump won a narrow election by promising he'd reduce grocery prices. Well, they've gone up. In many polls from the recent elections, 7% of people said they voted for Dems this year that voted for Trump 1 year earlier. That probably doesn't sound like a lot until you realize it's a 14% swing.

That's all I could think of off hand.

YTB. TIA. Have a good one!
Bwahahahahaha.

Tariffs.
The rollback was part of the design. Apply economic pressure then ease after concessions. Tariffs raised costs in some sectors but did not cause the bulk of inflation. Your take intentionally ignores that strategic tariffs are leverage not permanent taxes.


50yr mortgages.
Agree with you that Trump bringing up 50-year mortgages as if they meaningfully solve affordability was dumb. The math does not justify the pitch. A 300 dollar a month savings on a 400k loan at 6 percent is not worth the massive additional 90 percent interest burden. It also does not address structural issues.


ACA subsidies.
ACA subsidies exploded because of the 2021 to 2022 Democratic policy changes not because of Trump. Biden and Congress expanded subsidy eligibility raised the income caps boosted the dollar amounts and removed the subsidy cliff. This massively increased how many people qualify and how much the government pays per enrollee.


Rural hospitals.
Rural hospitals have been collapsing for over 15 years due to low Medicaid reimbursement rates aging populations staffing shortages and shrinking local tax bases. These are long term structural problems that existed well before Trump. Your attempt to pin a nationwide rural hospital crisis on Trump is dishonest. His policies may have added pressure in a few states but they did not create or meaningfully drive the overall trend.

Jobs Jobs Jobs.
Trump did cut some federal positions and his tariff uncertainty caused hesitation in a few industries, but across both of his terms the broader job market never resembled anything close to a collapse. Unemployment remained historically low, wages continued rising, and overall hiring stayed steady, with the modest soft spots driven more by demographic shortages, AI restructuring, and sector-specific issues than by Trump’s policies. Your comparison to Herbert Hoover is pure exaggeration because Trump created small pockets of disruption, not anything remotely close to a Great Depression style employment crash.

The ballroom debacle.
Demolishing an entire wing does not prove deception. Large renovations routinely uncover structural issues or require redesigns that force more extensive work than originally planned. This is especially true with hundred year old buildings with outdated wiring and aging structural elements. There is no evidence Trump used public money or lied about private financing. Construction overruns do not turn a privately funded project into a scandal. Beyond that Washington DC is the only global capital without a state room. Holding 8 to 12 state functions a year in tents on the South Lawn costs a fortune in logistics and security. A state room has been discussed since Eisenhower. Your take on this is laughable.


40B to Argentina.
There is zero evidence Trump is handing Argentina 40 billion dollars in cash. The figure refers to potential financing tools like export credits investment guarantees and private sector capital flows, not taxpayer checks. These arrangements are standard US economic policy used with dozens of countries and are designed to support American companies and maintain US influence especially as Argentina moves away from China. Your comparison to domestic programs like SNAP is intentionally misleading. Those are Congressional budget items. This is international economic strategy not welfare redistribution.


Energy prices.
Gas prices have stayed mostly flat since Trump took office even though they’ve dipped nicely in my area, They most certainly have not fallen to 1.99 everywhere but they also have not surged as your claim implies. The actual pressure is electricity prices which have been rising because of grid strain deferred infrastructure investment surging AI and data center demand and the long transition costs of moving toward renewables. These factors predate Trump. Ending a few green pilot programs does not cause nationwide spikes. The grid was already a decade behind. Your argument treats normal energy market dynamics as Trump created problems which is not supported by data.


Epstein file release promise.
Trump never campaigned on releasing the Epstein files. That claim is a retrofitted media narrative. When asked in October 2023 about releasing them he essentially shrugged and said “Yeah I’ll look into it… but a lot of innocent people would be hurt.” That shows hesitation not enthusiasm. His current support only came after Congress passed the transparency bill with veto-proof numbers meaning the release was happening with or without him. And if you truly cared about transparency why did you not demand the files be released after the Maxwell hearing was completed and before Biden left office. Your claim that he promised this or backed out is false. He was always cautious and reluctant. Personally, I already know the facts here. If Trump were involved, information would’ve been leaked or released during the Biden administration. The Biden administration, DOJ clearly scrubbed these files of whatever they felt necessary. Trump’s department of justice has done the same thing over the last nine months.

Grocery prices and the narrow election.
Grocery prices have not gone down under Trump. I wouldn’t know this because I don’t scrutinize prices at the grocery even when I go. Sounds like have continued rising but at a slower rate compared to the 2021 to 2023 spike meaning they stabilized but remain elevated. They did not surge because of Trump but they also did not return to pre inflation levels. Your attempt to blame him ignores the true drivers. Global supply chain resets fuel and transportation costs labor shortages drought impacts and grocery sector consolidation. And your claim that Trump barely won is false. The 2024 election was not narrow by any meaningful measure. He flipped states Democrats assumed they controlled, won every swing state, and his Electoral College margin was clear.



You routinely ignore timelines, basic policy , and long-term structural forces that existed well before Trump arrived which blows up your cause and effect claims. Your post will get the MJ progressive’s rocks off, but is sloppy factually, based on selective memory, and narrative over reality.
 
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Bwahahahahaha.

Tariffs.
The rollback was part of the design. Apply economic pressure then ease after concessions. Tariffs raised costs in some sectors but did not cause the bulk of inflation. Your take intentionally ignores that strategic tariffs are leverage not permanent taxes.


50yr mortgages.
Agree with you that Trump bringing up 50-year mortgages as if they meaningfully solve affordability was dumb. The math does not justify the pitch. A 300 dollar a month savings on a 400k loan at 6 percent is not worth the massive additional 90 percent interest burden. It also does not address structural issues.


ACA subsidies.
ACA subsidies exploded because of the 2021 to 2022 Democratic policy changes not because of Trump. Biden and Congress expanded subsidy eligibility raised the income caps boosted the dollar amounts and removed the subsidy cliff. This massively increased how many people qualify and how much the government pays per enrollee.


Rural hospitals.
Rural hospitals have been collapsing for over 15 years due to low Medicaid reimbursement rates aging populations staffing shortages and shrinking local tax bases. These are long term structural problems that existed well before Trump. Your attempt to pin a nationwide rural hospital crisis on Trump is dishonest. His policies may have added pressure in a few states but they did not create or meaningfully drive the overall trend.

Jobs Jobs Jobs.
Trump did cut some federal positions and his tariff uncertainty caused hesitation in a few industries, but across both of his terms the broader job market never resembled anything close to a collapse. Unemployment remained historically low, wages continued rising, and overall hiring stayed steady, with the modest soft spots driven more by demographic shortages, AI restructuring, and sector-specific issues than by Trump’s policies. Your comparison to Herbert Hoover is pure exaggeration because Trump created small pockets of disruption, not anything remotely close to a Great Depression style employment crash.

The ballroom debacle.
Demolishing an entire wing does not prove deception. Large renovations routinely uncover structural issues or require redesigns that force more extensive work than originally planned. This is especially true with hundred year old buildings with outdated wiring and aging structural elements. There is no evidence Trump used public money or lied about private financing. Construction overruns do not turn a privately funded project into a scandal. Beyond that Washington DC is the only global capital without a state room. Holding 8 to 12 state functions a year in tents on the South Lawn costs a fortune in logistics and security. A state room has been discussed since Eisenhower. Your take on this is laughable.


40B to Argentina.
There is zero evidence Trump is handing Argentina 40 billion dollars in cash. The figure refers to potential financing tools like export credits investment guarantees and private sector capital flows, not taxpayer checks. These arrangements are standard US economic policy used with dozens of countries and are designed to support American companies and maintain US influence especially as Argentina moves away from China. Your comparison to domestic programs like SNAP is intentionally misleading. Those are Congressional budget items. This is international economic strategy not welfare redistribution.


Energy prices.
Gas prices have stayed mostly flat since Trump took office even though they’ve dipped nicely in my area, They most certainly have not fallen to 1.99 everywhere but they also have not surged as your claim implies. The actual pressure is electricity prices which have been rising because of grid strain deferred infrastructure investment surging AI and data center demand and the long transition costs of moving toward renewables. These factors predate Trump. Ending a few green pilot programs does not cause nationwide spikes. The grid was already a decade behind. Your argument treats normal energy market dynamics as Trump created problems which is not supported by data.


Epstein file release promise.
Trump never campaigned on releasing the Epstein files. That claim is a retrofitted media narrative. When asked in October 2023 about releasing them he essentially shrugged and said “Yeah I’ll look into it… but a lot of innocent people would be hurt.” That shows hesitation not enthusiasm. His current support only came after Congress passed the transparency bill with veto-proof numbers meaning the release was happening with or without him. And if you truly cared about transparency why did you not demand the files be released after the Maxwell hearing was completed and before Biden left office. Your claim that he promised this or backed out is false. He was always cautious and reluctant. Personally, I already know the facts here. If Trump were involved, information would’ve been leaked or released during the Biden administration. The Biden administration, DOJ clearly scrubbed these files of whatever they felt necessary. Trump’s department of justice has done the same thing over the last nine months.

Grocery prices and the narrow election.
Grocery prices have not gone down under Trump. I wouldn’t know this because I don’t scrutinize prices at the grocery even when I go. Sounds like have continued rising but at a slower rate compared to the 2021 to 2023 spike meaning they stabilized but remain elevated. They did not surge because of Trump but they also did not return to pre inflation levels. Your attempt to blame him ignores the true drivers. Global supply chain resets fuel and transportation costs labor shortages drought impacts and grocery sector consolidation. And your claim that Trump barely won is false. The 2024 election was not narrow by any meaningful measure. He flipped states Democrats assumed they controlled, won every swing state, and his Electoral College margin was clear.



You routinely ignore timelines, basic policy , and long-term structural forces that existed well before Trump arrived which blows up your cause and effect claims. Your post will get the MJ progressive’s rocks off, but is sloppy factually, based on selective memory, and narrative over reality.



He exaggerates more than a Karen. That's what nutsack does. That's his ammo. Finally someone else see it besides me.

Next thing you know WhatshisNuts will say the world is coming to an end
 

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If you can’t see that under the Biden administration that this country was headed in the shitter then I can’t help you. You are beyond help. Good luck in everyday life faggit you going to need it
Biden Derangement Syndrome is tough on you, Sally. Go cry in your truck
 

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The Dem party would have done a better job? Did you not just go thru 4 years of Biden where inflation hit 9% and grocery prices went up and gas prices went up and he sold all the oil in our oil reserves and he sent trillions to Ukraine and he left the borders open for illegals to cross and he let all the drugs and fentanyl come across the border and he fuked up the Afghanistan withdrawal of our troops. That Democratic Party?

lmao......

Spoken like a true leftist looney tune
Yes, without a doubt. Go through that list again.

Inflation did hit 9%, after the government giveaways (started under Trump) increased demand while supply remained stagnant (businesses were shutdown). It came down to 3% before Trump took office. Trump's made no progress.

Biden didn't give trillions to Ukraine. Nowhere near 1 trillion, let alone trillions.
 

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Bwahahahahaha.

Tariffs.
The rollback was part of the design. Apply economic pressure then ease after concessions. Tariffs raised costs in some sectors but did not cause the bulk of inflation. Your take intentionally ignores that strategic tariffs are leverage not permanent taxes.


50yr mortgages.
Agree with you that Trump bringing up 50-year mortgages as if they meaningfully solve affordability was dumb. The math does not justify the pitch. A 300 dollar a month savings on a 400k loan at 6 percent is not worth the massive additional 90 percent interest burden. It also does not address structural issues.


ACA subsidies.
ACA subsidies exploded because of the 2021 to 2022 Democratic policy changes not because of Trump. Biden and Congress expanded subsidy eligibility raised the income caps boosted the dollar amounts and removed the subsidy cliff. This massively increased how many people qualify and how much the government pays per enrollee.


Rural hospitals.
Rural hospitals have been collapsing for over 15 years due to low Medicaid reimbursement rates aging populations staffing shortages and shrinking local tax bases. These are long term structural problems that existed well before Trump. Your attempt to pin a nationwide rural hospital crisis on Trump is dishonest. His policies may have added pressure in a few states but they did not create or meaningfully drive the overall trend.

Jobs Jobs Jobs.
Trump did cut some federal positions and his tariff uncertainty caused hesitation in a few industries, but across both of his terms the broader job market never resembled anything close to a collapse. Unemployment remained historically low, wages continued rising, and overall hiring stayed steady, with the modest soft spots driven more by demographic shortages, AI restructuring, and sector-specific issues than by Trump’s policies. Your comparison to Herbert Hoover is pure exaggeration because Trump created small pockets of disruption, not anything remotely close to a Great Depression style employment crash.

The ballroom debacle.
Demolishing an entire wing does not prove deception. Large renovations routinely uncover structural issues or require redesigns that force more extensive work than originally planned. This is especially true with hundred year old buildings with outdated wiring and aging structural elements. There is no evidence Trump used public money or lied about private financing. Construction overruns do not turn a privately funded project into a scandal. Beyond that Washington DC is the only global capital without a state room. Holding 8 to 12 state functions a year in tents on the South Lawn costs a fortune in logistics and security. A state room has been discussed since Eisenhower. Your take on this is laughable.


40B to Argentina.
There is zero evidence Trump is handing Argentina 40 billion dollars in cash. The figure refers to potential financing tools like export credits investment guarantees and private sector capital flows, not taxpayer checks. These arrangements are standard US economic policy used with dozens of countries and are designed to support American companies and maintain US influence especially as Argentina moves away from China. Your comparison to domestic programs like SNAP is intentionally misleading. Those are Congressional budget items. This is international economic strategy not welfare redistribution.


Energy prices.
Gas prices have stayed mostly flat since Trump took office even though they’ve dipped nicely in my area, They most certainly have not fallen to 1.99 everywhere but they also have not surged as your claim implies. The actual pressure is electricity prices which have been rising because of grid strain deferred infrastructure investment surging AI and data center demand and the long transition costs of moving toward renewables. These factors predate Trump. Ending a few green pilot programs does not cause nationwide spikes. The grid was already a decade behind. Your argument treats normal energy market dynamics as Trump created problems which is not supported by data.


Epstein file release promise.
Trump never campaigned on releasing the Epstein files. That claim is a retrofitted media narrative. When asked in October 2023 about releasing them he essentially shrugged and said “Yeah I’ll look into it… but a lot of innocent people would be hurt.” That shows hesitation not enthusiasm. His current support only came after Congress passed the transparency bill with veto-proof numbers meaning the release was happening with or without him. And if you truly cared about transparency why did you not demand the files be released after the Maxwell hearing was completed and before Biden left office. Your claim that he promised this or backed out is false. He was always cautious and reluctant. Personally, I already know the facts here. If Trump were involved, information would’ve been leaked or released during the Biden administration. The Biden administration, DOJ clearly scrubbed these files of whatever they felt necessary. Trump’s department of justice has done the same thing over the last nine months.

Grocery prices and the narrow election.
Grocery prices have not gone down under Trump. I wouldn’t know this because I don’t scrutinize prices at the grocery even when I go. Sounds like have continued rising but at a slower rate compared to the 2021 to 2023 spike meaning they stabilized but remain elevated. They did not surge because of Trump but they also did not return to pre inflation levels. Your attempt to blame him ignores the true drivers. Global supply chain resets fuel and transportation costs labor shortages drought impacts and grocery sector consolidation. And your claim that Trump barely won is false. The 2024 election was not narrow by any meaningful measure. He flipped states Democrats assumed they controlled, won every swing state, and his Electoral College margin was clear.



You routinely ignore timelines, basic policy , and long-term structural forces that existed well before Trump arrived which blows up your cause and effect claims. Your post will get the MJ progressive’s rocks off, but is sloppy factually, based on selective memory, and narrative over reality.
The tariff roll back was part of the design? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Looks like everything else I said was accurate except for your excuses as to why.
-Rural hospitals were already going to close (who cares that Trump's bill will expedite the process)
-ACA subsidies are Dems fault (who cares that the Republicans have a chance to do something but refuse to)
-The fact that Trump's jobs performance ISN'T AS BAD AS THE GREAT DEPRESSION is good enough for you
-Just because Trump said he wouldn't touch the actual WH structure, then demolished the entire wing definitely wasn't misleading in your eyes.
-Trump just wants to give Argentina $40B, he hasn't done it yet, so who cares.
-The energy prices were bound to go up with all the AI infrastructure. Why would we expect him to do anything but get rid of alternative sources?
-Trump did campaign on releasing the Epstein Files so I don't have anything more here.
-Just because Trump campaigned relentlessly on lowering the cost of groceries and it got him elected doesn't mean he was actually going to do anything about it? It was just Trump being Trump! You can't believe everything he says!

What a joke.
 
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