Gas = $ 10.00 a Gallon

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Here are some likely effects:

Consumer spending on eating out, clothing, electronics, vacations and other little luxuries would fall sharply. A Nielsen study found that even at recent gas prices, 41% of consumers were eating out less. In total, 18% of those surveyed were cutting spending to a "great degree." That would bruise companies such as Applebee's, Macy's, Gap, Best Buy and others. But discount retailers, particularly those selling food and gas, could do relatively well. Think Costco, Wal-Mart and McDonald's.

We'd see "a lot of parked planes," says Bill Swelbar, an air transport engineer for the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The U.S. airline industry pays out $465 million in fuel costs for every $1 rise in oil. At $350-a-barrel oil, the industry would pay more than $100 billion extra, almost as much as last year's total airfare sales. Even if airlines ratcheted up fares 50%, half of their airplanes would be grounded because they'd be too expensive to fly, Swelbar reckons.

Many independent truckers, who pay for their own fuel, would go bankrupt as their costs soared and shippers switched to barges and trains. Taxis and FedEx would be strictly for the well-heeled. And home pizza deliveries would cease. Pizza delivery drivers also pay for their own gas. "It'd be brutal," says Joseph Miller, an assistant manager at a Domino's Pizza in Seattle. "I would think we wouldn't have any drivers."

Food prices could jump by a third or more, experts estimate. About 80 cents of the $4.50 retail cost of a box of cornflakes goes to transport it, says Dan Basse, the president of AgResource, a Chicago research company. On top of that, there's the cost of fertilizers to grow the corn and diesel for farm equipment. In 2005, transportation and energy made up 8.5% of all retail food costs, but energy was far cheaper then. As $10 gas pushed up food prices, pinched consumers would give up pricey fresh meat and vegetables for cheap pastas and oils. Ranchers and dairies with energy-hungry milking barns would struggle. And cities might sprout to life as people planted vegetable gardens on their roofs and balconies and in vacant lots.

Plastics for appliances, packaging, pacemakers and myriad other products would jump in price as the natural gas that plastic is made with rose in value alongside oil. Bill Wood, the president of Mountaintop Economics and Research in Massachusetts, says shoppers would have a choice: "Paper or paper?" Small plastic bottles of water would disappear. Glass and metal containers would make a comeback. And recycling would explode. Families might even have nine bins in the hall to separate their trash, as they do in Japan, where consumer recycling tops 90%.

$200 oil, $5 gas

Economists say oil prices could continue to surge in the next two years, with prices as high as $5.60 a gallon at the gas pump possible.

As drivers began to switch to 100-mile-per-gallon plug-in hybrid cars (already expected to launch by 2010), the electricity grid could come under strain. Theoretically, if everyone had one and plugged it in at night, the grid could handle 84% of the nation's car fleet. But to avoid the risk of city brownouts, the grid capacity would have to rise. Solar, wave and wind power would ramp up. Giant solar thermal power plants, which use mirrors to concentrate the sun's energy, would be built. But in the rush to get power, we'd probably also step up the use of cheap, dirty coal (50% of our electricity generation now). Even nuclear power (21%) could be considered anew.

Resistance to drilling for oil in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and off California would shrink. Environmentalists might stand their ground. But as James Williams, an energy economist for WTRG Economics in Arkansas, says, "Let's put it this way: Y'all wanna drive?" Oil reserves in both areas are thought to be more than 10 billion barrels, double the proven reserves in Texas. That would help feed America's 21-million-barrel-a-day appetite.
 

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With the trickle down effect starting it is already evident that a lot of people will be affected.

$10 a gallon would cripple the economy.
 

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I like hypotheticals as much as the next guy, but what is the significance of $10/gallon? Wouldn't $8/gallon have the same effect? The article says that gas could get as high as $5.60 in 2 years.....2 years. I don't get it. With the rate at which he is using, we wouldn't hit $10 until 2015. For one, I don't think this is a situation where you can take recent trends and simply multiply it outward. That doesn't make economical sense because you completely discount the past as meaningless. That's poor science. Second, at the rate mentioned, I find it hard to believe that we'll still be left in the same vulnerable position after living through this rising price condition without any innovation. If we did begin moving toward electric plug-in cars, and everyone started buying them, I'd find it really hard to believe that the grid wouldn't be improved to handle the extra capacity. Third, it is taken for granted that electric plug-ins are the only alternative. Once again, I think that is poor science. My wife's electric hybrid doesn't ever have to be plugged in. Fourth, if everyone in the US started using electric cars, what do you think would happen to the price of oil?
 

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I'd find it really hard to believe that the grid wouldn't be improved to handle the extra capacity. Third, it is taken for granted that electric plug-ins are the only alternative. Once again, I think that is poor science. My wife's electric hybrid doesn't ever have to be plugged in. Fourth, if everyone in the US started using electric cars, what do you think would happen to the price of oil?
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I agree with you.


If we all started using hybrid then Bush , Cheney, Saudi, and the rest would be fawked. Thats why nothing has been done. Big Oil wants to make the cash. The Exons and Texaco should be excluded from new technology. They would figure out a way to charge us as much as we are paying now for gas. They would have the car companys charge 45 grand for a hybrid or a car that uses new fuels.

Its such a frustrating mess of shit.
 

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The only reason gas is going up is because big oil is bidding it up! There is no shortage. I expect to see a drop sometime soon as soon as they trap all the little guys into thinking buying oil stocks is the way to go. Then they will short it and make money selling to the Ham and Eggers on the way dow. Once the Ham and Eggers lose their shirts then they will buy the shares back. That's the way they play the game.
 

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Good lord guys, the only reason gas is going up is because we're using more of it. With China's and India's use shooting thru the roof what the hell would you expect.

If you really think it's going to 10 a gallon then I suggest you buy some futures.
 

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I like hypotheticals as much as the next guy, but what is the significance of $10/gallon? Wouldn't $8/gallon have the same effect? The article says that gas could get as high as $5.60 in 2 years.....2 years. I don't get it. With the rate at which he is using, we wouldn't hit $10 until 2015. For one, I don't think this is a situation where you can take recent trends and simply multiply it outward. That doesn't make economical sense because you completely discount the past as meaningless. That's poor science. Second, at the rate mentioned, I find it hard to believe that we'll still be left in the same vulnerable position after living through this rising price condition without any innovation. If we did begin moving toward electric plug-in cars, and everyone started buying them, I'd find it really hard to believe that the grid wouldn't be improved to handle the extra capacity. Third, it is taken for granted that electric plug-ins are the only alternative. Once again, I think that is poor science. My wife's electric hybrid doesn't ever have to be plugged in. Fourth, if everyone in the US started using electric cars, what do you think would happen to the price of oil?


Dude, I really like you! :scared
 

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here's some innovation--your own backyard ethanol brewer

here's some innovation--your own backyard ethanol brewer

They say it should cost about $10K, when released this fall, and would brew gas costing you $1 a gallon.

Most analysts think that $1 gallon is too optimistic. But still...


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