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For some reason, these infamous threads have gone the way of Shaq's game:shrug:

Outside Chicago, they're at $2.10 to $2.15. Go a bit farther and you can find $1.99 and less.
 

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We got games players here. Ours went down to $198. That lasted two days it's now back to $2.11. Should be $1.93 per past spot market on gas and oil per barrel below $55. However I O, I'll give you this. We been programed to get smiles on our faces any where close to 2 bucks.
By the way how many guys said that here last two years. We would be so happy with just 2 bucks.
 
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Was $1.80's is some places.

--but neither here nor there--
What I'm waiting for is all those that been complaining about high gas prices--explain their stance on Dems issue of raising gas tax to curb use of gas.
That should be hum-dinger.

"Talk of Raising Gas Tax Is Just That
Analysts Cite Advantages but Concede Its Political Improbability

By Steven Mufson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 18, 2006; Page D01

There might be a simple way to trim U.S. oil imports, reduce greenhouse-gas emissions, encourage alternatives to petroleum and ease world energy shortages.

The method: raising taxes on gasoline or crude oil. Economists and policy experts across the political spectrum think it's a good idea. And with gasoline prices falling, now might be the perfect time to do it without eliciting cries of pain from U.S. drivers who have become somewhat accustomed to high fuel prices.



Now that prices have retreated, policy analysts wonder whether it's time to raise the federal tax on gasoline, which hasn't changed in 13 years. (By Mike Derer -- Associated Press)

But on the long road to a new energy policy, the idea of a higher gasoline or crude-oil tax is just another bit of roadkill.

Because of the thorny politics of raising taxes, the 18.4-cent-per-gallon federal gas levy hasn't changed since Oct. 1, 1993. And few policy experts expect a higher tax soon.

"We know the broad contours of some things that have to happen," said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office who is now at the Council on Foreign Relations. "You have to price oil on a permanent basis to provide incentives to shift away from it. It's the key issue -- and the hardest one to make progress on."

Leon E. Panetta, a former congressman and President Bill Clinton's first budget director, sees things the same way.

"I don't think there's any question that as a matter of policy it makes a lot of sense to move in that direction," he said. "But politically it's a very high hurdle to get over."

Panetta knows from experience. When Clinton took office, Vice President Al Gore argued for a big gas-tax increase to promote conservation, and many administration members agreed, Panetta recalled. But, he said, "there were also those like Treasury Secretary [Lloyd] Bentsen who said, 'Are you out of your mind?' "

By the time Congress was done, what started out as a 50-cent-a-gallon proposal ended up as a 4.3-cent-a-gallon increase. Since then, just to keep up with inflation, the tax would have had to rise 6 cents, but it hasn't budged."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/17/AR2006101701327.html
 

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What I am waiting for is someone to explain the drop. Did China all of a sudden stop using oil? That was the excuse they gave for the rise this summer. Just like Iraq throw up a thousand reasons and run with the one that sticks.
 

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What I am waiting for is someone to explain the drop. Did China all of a sudden stop using oil? That was the excuse they gave for the rise this summer. Just like Iraq throw up a thousand reasons and run with the one that sticks.

The market is a combination of both physical demand and speculation. The warm winter on the east coast and some speculators exiting the market would be my guess for the drop.

The reason (imo) alot of speculators are leaving or have already left the marketplace is that the futures curve has been flattening. Meaning when there was an upward slope speculators were basically being paid to hold oil. Since oil is a commodity their are costs associated with storage and along with the time value of money one would normally expect that futures price to be lower.

Oil could drop even lower if the futures curve becomes negative sloping.

Not sure if this link will work, but it does go into a little more detail...

http://video.morningstar.com/video/videoreport.asp?vp=OilPricing&cat=stock&ticker=&acg=v
 
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The oil prices has something to do with last November. I still have not fund out what. I would say election but that's to easy. I think us getting serious about alternates is more of a reason. To bad we waited so long. Al had it right we needed to get moving 15/20 years ago. Not sure Al was right about the high tax. Europe has 2/3 dollars tax per gallon depending witch country. I don't know if that slowed them down. Steve Forbes may have it right. A flat tax witch helps about 97% of Americans get lower taxes. But for that a 40 cent tax on gas to help promote alternative fuels so cost can be held down in future. Other wise Forbes said we can get ready for steady over 3 bucks a gallon or more for years to come.
 

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Stevie on china and everyone using oil you have only 1/2 of equation (demand) the 2nd being supply.


Then when its produced/bought by oil companies there are other intangibles like refining.

There is only one thing that increases cost of gas for consumer that is independent apon supply and demand and it gas taxes.

---and one thing I can assure when gas prices skyrocket the one option you will never hear--is lower taxes.
 

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---and one thing I can assure when gas prices skyrocket the one option you will never hear--is lower taxes.

No doubt. The only thing we hear about is billions in tax subsidies for the oil companies when prices are high. To increase refinery capacity that doesn't happen.

Oh, we also hear about the record profits.
 

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Stevie on china and everyone using oil you have only 1/2 of equation (demand) the 2nd being supply.


Then when its produced/bought by oil companies there are other intangibles like refining.

There is only one thing that increases cost of gas for consumer that is independent apon supply and demand and it gas taxes.

---and one thing I can assure when gas prices skyrocket the one option you will never hear--is lower taxes.

I am not talking about the tax on gas. I am talking about how the price is manipulated. Oil went from $74 to what $50 because of a warm Northeast. Today it goes up a buck or two because it is cold. LOL! This is worse than the stock market. I am suppose to believe they plan for a hurrican Season that didn't happen but they didn't think it would get cold in the Northeast before spring?
 

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May i ask how your business would operate if you didn't make a profit, Matt.

The oil companies will make a profit--you can count it--now what you pay at pump is where profits come from--

lets look at a couple of issues the dems are contemplating and give your opinion on effect of price of gas.

--Taking away tax incentives for oil company--If they can't profit there --guess where it will come from
---Raising federal gas tax--non debate issue but you'll be surprised the liberal blogs jumping on it as best thing since sliced bread--as will their patrons.

---lets take a look at Dems and the economy

--against Tax reduction to stimulate economy and pull out of recession--impossible they said

then oh its a jobless economy boom--oops wrong again--

Last resort--It's the worse ecomomy since great depression :)
 
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I'm thinking we better give it little more time to say it soooo good. Bank Rupsy all time high is a bad start. 4 to 6 million jobs so far not a great start. We need 8 million more in same time frame. Take home pay adjusted for inflation makes wages last 4 years flat. And that means tax cut has not done much for a lot of little guys 75000 and down. Gas and heath care cost eating folks pocket books up. There back to games here. Three days of a cold snap and they took the price from 2.09 to 2.15. That's part I just get peed about. They can go up 6/7/8 cents at a time. But it comes down 1/2/3 cents at a time.
 

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Bankruptcies all time high??hmm I wonder why when interest rates been all time low--Would you say that would make it a personal issue and not economical??

If anyone hasn't been able to get job--pay down debt at lower rate--own a home during this admin--they've lost the best opportunity they will prob ever have in their life time.

If you want to know who would be entitled to biggest beef in past past 5 years its the retired upper middle class-- on CD interest rates.
 

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May i ask how your business would operate if you didn't make a profit, Matt.

The oil companies will make a profit--you can count it--now what you pay at pump is where profits come from--

lets look at a couple of issues the dems are contemplating and give your opinion on effect of price of gas.

--Taking away tax incentives for oil company--If they can't profit there --guess where it will come from
---Raising federal gas tax--non debate issue but you'll be surprised the liberal blogs jumping on it as best thing since sliced bread--as will their patrons.

---lets take a look at Dems and the economy

--against Tax reduction to stimulate economy and pull out of recession--impossible they said

then oh its a jobless economy boom--oops wrong again--

Last resort--It's the worse ecomomy since great depression :)

Wayne,

You're off on a tangent addressing my post with things that have nothing to do with my post.

Lemme try again.

Do you think giving the oil companies billions in tax breaks while they are making record (for any industry in our history) profits?

BTW-while I know we're going to hear Pelosi's comment about the economy quoted by you another hundred times, for the record, I think it's not true and a ridiculous statement.
 

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profits come and go---Personally I would hope every company had record profits every quarter-but that just me:shrug:

if gov came to Fla next month and said Mr Kosar were going to give you a tax credit on all your business expenses--which would increase your profits 25% would you stick in back in your business or refund it your customers by cutting your prices 25%--

Marathon Oil quarterly net drops to $1.08 billion
(8:21 AM ET) NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - Marathon Oil Corp. (MRO : marathon oil corp com
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8:34am 02/01/2007

MRO90.34, +1.03, +1.2%) said Thursday its fourth-quarter net income fell to $1.08 billion, or $3.06 a share, from $1.27 billion, or $3.43 a share, in the year-earlier period. The Houston oil and gas company said its adjusted quarterly income fell to $838 million, or $2.38 a share, from $1.33 billion, or $3.61 a share. Analysts polled by Thomson Financial forecast earnings, on average, of $2.25 a share. Marathon said its total revenue in the three months ended Dec. 31 fell 19% to $13.99 billion from $17.22 billion.

Exxon Mobil fourth-quarter net down 4% to $10.25 billion
(8:10 AM ET) NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM : exxon mobil corp com
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8:36am 02/01/2007
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XOM74.10, -0.29, -0.4%) Thursday reported fourth-quarter earnings of $10.25 billion, or $1.76 a share, on revenue of $90.03 billion. In the same period a year earlier, the Irving, Texas-based oil and gas giant earned $10.71 billion, or $1.71 a share, on revenue of $99.34 billion. On an adjusted basis, excluding special items, the company earned $9.84 billion, or $1.69 a share, in the latest quarter. The average estimate of analysts polled by Thomson Financial was for a profit of $1.51 a share in the December period. Exxon said its latest results, which showed an overall decline in net income of 4%, reflect lower natural gas realizations and refining margins, partly offset by higher crude realizations and improved chemical margins. The stock closed Wednesday at $74.10, down 29 cents.
 
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Exxon Mobil fourth-quarter net down 4% to $10.25 billion
(8:10 AM ET) NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM : exxon mobil corp com
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Last: 74.10-0.29-0.39%

8:36am 02/01/2007
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XOM74.10, -0.29, -0.4%) Thursday reported fourth-quarter earnings of $10.25 billion, or $1.76 a share, on revenue of $90.03 billion. In the same period a year earlier, the Irving, Texas-based oil and gas giant earned $10.71 billion, or $1.71 a share, on revenue of $99.34 billion. On an adjusted basis, excluding special items, the company earned $9.84 billion, or $1.69 a share, in the latest quarter. The average estimate of analysts polled by Thomson Financial was for a profit of $1.51 a share in the December period. Exxon said its latest results, which showed an overall decline in net income of 4%, reflect lower natural gas realizations and refining margins, partly offset by higher crude realizations and improved chemical margins. The stock closed Wednesday at $74.10, down 29 cents.

You will excuse me if I shed no tears?

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070201/earns_exxon_mobil.html?.v=14

Exxon Mobil Posts Largest Annual Profit by U.S. Company Despite 4 Percent Slide in 4Q Earnings


HOUSTON (AP) -- Oil giant Exxon Mobil Corp. on Thursday posted the largest annual profit by a U.S. company -- $39.5 billion -- even as earnings for the last quarter of 2006 declined 4 percent.
The 2006 profit topped Exxon Mobil's own previous record of $36.13 billion set in 2005.
 

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So, Wayne, then I assume you subscribe to the theory that all - or at least most - tax credits, incentives, subsidies, etc., for business is a good thing, no matter what the economic situation is in our country? When spending is not cut? When we are at war? Doesn't common sense have to enter into the discussion at some point?

You defend certain things to a mind-numbing point at times, IMO. I think everything has to be on the table from time to time...absolutes have no place in an ongoing economic picture, can they?

Lower taxes. Tax incentives for those doing really well. Higher spending. Higher trade deficits. Higher deficits. Devalued dollar. Real estate market bubble bursting, mortgage failures abound, and getting worse.

Talk about fuzzy math.
 
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